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If you're going to quote my posts to try and make a point, you're going to need to explain how they are relevant to the discussion we're having. Me being smug and condescending to you being wrong and silly is not the same as you being smug and condescending to someone else while you are still the one being wrong and silly.
If you're going to quote my posts to try and make a point, you're going to need to explain how they are relevant to the discussion we're having. Me being smug and condescending to you being wrong and silly is not the same as you being smug and condescending to someone else while you are still the one being wrong and silly.
I don't really see where the population control starts here. Population control insinuates that there is an institutionalized system that would artificially maintain a predetermined population density, it needs to be systemic otherwise you are controlling nothing. For example you could imagine a system that pays someone to end its life, the money could go to whoever they want.
I would do but I think that post is all we need to end the conversation. To me it's a good example of being smug and condescending, while also displaying your ignorance. It doesn't bother me that you can't see why, and you've shown no appetite to listen to an alternative view. Plus you asked me to use fewer words, so I thought I'd just use none of my own words. You seem to value your own much more.
I feel like this is nitpicking a bit, rather than looking at the spirit of the post/discussion. Either way, again I don’t see what this really has to do with Brexit, so I am going to stop here. The only reason I posted was to illustrate that some of the ideas being discussed are not exclusive to leave voters/supporters.
There's some very alarming remarks been made about euthanasia. Even if you're in favour of people having the right to opt for euthanasia, that won't make much difference to population numbers - only compulsory euthanasia would do that. Be careful what you wish for.
Population growth is a concern for most countries. But I rather doubt either Euthanasia or the death penalty is an effective control for population growth. It is, surely, a miniscule number of people/families that would rather be euthanised? And the death penalty would hardly make a dent also, even if you kill all the inmates currently serving life sentences in the UK (<10k).
This is not to say it is not fine if you support these positions from a moral/political perspective.
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That's not nitpicking that's what the other poster was talking about, population control, and you described euthanasia as a form of population control. I'm sorry If I'm sticking to the point that both of you were making about population control. And the issue with his ideas weren't that they are limited to leavers, they are absolutely daft.
You may be right Penna, but it’s a start. Societal views change dramatically over time, and what is currently deemed as something that very few people would do, may become more commonplace as society begins to accept and adjust.
With constantly advancing medicka techbology allowing people to live longer and longer, people can have longer and longer retirements. Pensions may run out, and quality of life may go downhill (if you are essentially being kept alive by medicine). I could easily imagine the uptake on voluntary euthanasia increasing dramatically over time.
Scary isn't it. If they were next in line, their view may change. Where is the UK heading?
Fair enough. I've no interest in continuing a conversation with someone unable or unwilling to engage in proper debate. Best of luck with your words and views.
I don't know if we have to intervene quite so dramatically. Apparently, expected life in the UK has tailed off recently. It may well be that population plateaus as an equilibrium is reached between what the earth can support and number of humans.
Actually, a traumatic event like Brexit might brake population growth quite a bit, albeit inadvertently.
I’m for euthanasia being legalised but I don’t think it would do that much to impact the aging population, nor that it should be legalised with that intent.
I've looked after a lot of folk with chronic and terminal illness, and the vast majority of them held on tightly to life right until the end. Dementia is awful and upsetting if it's your loved one who's affected, but no-one knows what the person with dementia is thinking. There was a very shocking case in Holland recently, where a woman with dementia was restrained so that she could be given a lethal injection.
I have no idea, Paul, but that particular Pandora's box should never be opened. You start off with a set of strict guidelines, and then they get frayed around the edges, and before you know it old folk with no-one to advocate for them will have their mortal coils shuffled off for them.
This is exactly how Thatcher's Britain started.
How is that not murder?
He’s under criminal investigation so it might be.
@Penna
I just can’t agree with your view on euthanasia, look at this case for example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dongen-berlinah-wallace-bristol-a8312596.html
Why should someone like that have to go through unbearable suffering for years until they waste away?
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People taking about overpopulation when there's way too much waste in our systems, no mention of moving towards sustainability or building up infrastructure, no..... Let's kill people, that's what we'll do. I know, what about a Purge?
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Surely only a minuscule percentage of the population actually want to be euthanised. How would that solve anything?
Well, I think it was, but then, I'm opposed to euthanasia under any circumstances - I'm aware that many people would disagree with me. If you google "Dutch woman restrained for euthanasia" you'll find more details - the doctor was reprimanded, but cleared in a criminal prosecution.
@Classical Mechanic, I read about that terrible case, I feel for that man and I can understand why he made his decision. It's very different from someone who no longer has capacity to give consent at the point of dying, though.
Anyway, I'm helping to take this thread off-topic, so I'll stop now.
Maybe a purge of leavers would help
Jesus, this thread has taken a weird and dark turn. Brexit has clearly driven us all so insane that we're contemplating population control through mass killings.
Anyone suggesting euthanasia as a means of population control is truly a worrying person to me.
That plus no proper Brexit action today.
Hold up, aren't you Danish anyway? So I'm not sure you could have voted, even if you wanted to? Happy to be proven wrong if that isn't the case...
Do any of you condescending, self righteous remainers understand why people with other opinions to your own, despise you to the core?
This seems like the equivalent of ASTD (attention seeking twat disorder) for posts. Why don't you just respond to a specific post, instead of trying to wind up most of the posters?
Haha how dramatic
I think we understand perfectly. People don't like a light being shone on their idiocy and small mindedness.
Farage and Trump both get terribly upset when it's done to them too.
That’s fine, it’s mutual.
I see people are homing in on the mention of euthanasia. Was a suggestion but people want to make it a bigger issue. Fine, I was just putting it out there as a little something we should be looking at given we have an aging population. Every little helps and all that.
Obviously my views on that are influenced by my own experience of end stage dementia and seeing a room full of similar patients. Maybe you should look the symptoms and signs of end stage dementia up, then you may see where I’m coming from, before judging.
I’m not saying, “65 year old Doris has fell over and broke her hip, quick get the death needle out!”
Just so we are all clear on that.
Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
Obviously my views on that are influenced by my own experience of end stage dementia and seeing a room full of similar patients. Maybe you should look the symptoms and signs of end stage dementia up, then you may see where I’m coming from, before judging.
I’m not saying, “65 year old Doris has fell over and broke her hip, quick get the death needle out!”
Just so we are all clear on that.
Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
Didn't need to vote leave, and subsequently leave the EU, to fix that...Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
@Strachans Cigar could you answer my question about why you think leaving the EU will help control immigration?
Cool, how do you reduce EU migration without violating the GFA though?I see people are homing in on the mention of euthanasia. Was a suggestion but people want to make it a bigger issue. Fine, I was just putting it out there as a little something we should be looking at given we have an aging population. Every little helps and all that.
Obviously my views on that are influenced by my own experience of end stage dementia and seeing a room full of similar patients. Maybe you should look the symptoms and signs of end stage dementia up, then you may see where I’m coming from, before judging.
I’m not saying, “65 year old Doris has fell over and broke her hip, quick get the death needle out!”
Just so we are all clear on that.
Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
I dont want to wind anyone up but too late i guess. So you understand other peoples opinions that differ to yours? Simple question.
Not as dramatic as project 'The end of.the world is nigh'.
good oneIt's noticeable how for a good while now pro-Brexit arguments have basically been predicated on complaints against the other side as opposed to any coherent or logical argument in favour of Brexit.
Likewise. The point in staying is?