Complete with ankle tag, another Parliament first, I believe. I love the fact that the Brexit press are saying that it was her "aye" vote that was the deciding one for the Cooper Bill.
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I get that, although it might be seen as an argument against a people's vote now.
I don't think May cares about that.
Her mission is to execute Brexit, how she does it and what the consequences are are immaterial to her, in her mind she would have succeeded if Brexit happens.
That's because there isn't one. Even those people try to put forward their argument for leave, can be quickly batted away
To be fair, it was the deciding one.
Point to abstinence all you like.
Nope. Been there & done that once so I’m out - in both senses of the phrase
Well, yes but , do two wrongs make a right. In any case in my view the government and indeed parliament are responsible for the wellbeing of the country so for the wellbeing of the UK there is only one course of action.I get that, although it might be seen as an argument against a people's vote now.
There are some classic moments in there (Lindsey Lohan being the best of course). I enjoyed this too..
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I think they'll only do it if a referendum is involved.
Hard to tell as certain voices are always more negative than others but I think we've exhausted their will on any other extension but perhaps they'll want to avoid no deal enough that they'll put up with our shit for a bit longer.
Referendum plus a definite direction maybe. I'm not convinced all 27 would agree though.
You know what would happen if they gave a timetable for certain actions, parliament would pick the one that kicks the can the longest. I think they know their games by now.
I doubt there are many independent neutral observers, contributing to the discussion, who are willing to be convinced though.
Chicken...Nope. Been there & done that once so I’m out - in both senses of the phrase
I'm willing... Been waiting a long fecking time too....
Interesting watching the Bill going though the Lords today. Brexiter peers have submitted loads of amendments in an attempt to filibuster, which are being swiftly voted down by the majority (who are Remainers).
This will go on and on throughout the course of the day. This tactic was expected and it seems Remainer peers have made sure they can stay for as long as it takes.
This will go on and on throughout the course of the day. This tactic was expected and it seems Remainer peers have made sure they can stay for as long as it takes.
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Interesting how the same Leave supporting cnuts in parliament who hark on about democracy endlessly are quite happy to subvert it with arcane parliamentary procedure any time it suits.
I wanted to get a general feel for the Remain/Leave split at the time of, and prior to, the referendum against that which exists now, as the latter is likely to have been influenced by events since the referendum.
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Or we could point to any of the other 312 votes that were of equal importance. Kenneth Clarke cast the deciding vote. Caroline Lucas, representing twice as many voters as the entire DUP cast the deciding vote. John Mcdonnell legged it back from his MRI scan to cast the deciding vote.....
What's the odds on a no deal exit next Friday....
Because as it stands no vote or debate is scheduled...
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Because as it stands no vote or debate is scheduled...
@sun_tzu it was 3/1 (no deal exit) when I checked the other day, but I can't see it on oddschecker now
On a side note do you think the current state of politics inspires the young to look at it as a potential career path? Or the opposite?
There will always be masochists in every generation..
Whatever the case: this is a great work out for parliamentary democracy.
Honestly I have been waiting for 2 years, many conversations with leaver family members, heard every brexit politician. Yet not one has given me a genuine cohesive reason why leave would be beneficial without just straight out lying about things.
Lords suspended because the roof is leaking. How fitting
FFS
Every rational leave voter I know has stated they would like to see a return of ascendency to British Courts, where they can't be overruled by European Courts. Personally I think it's a fair argument; it's not an economic argument but fair all the same, in my opinion.
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Yeah. People often say the leave vote had its roots in immigration concerns, but I think sovereignty of courts, judiciaries and lawmaking had a good deal to do with it.
The Commons, not the Lords.FFS
Needs to be rebuilt by EU roofing regulations.
UK exits EU with no deal due to leaky roof delays.
Did it balls
I love this retrospective changing of the reason people voted Brexit to try and justify it. Farage didn't stand in front of a poster showing concerns about the sovereignty of British courts.
People can make whatever excuses they like about the vote being about sovereignty/economic benefits/protest against the elites but when you look at the language being used before the vote and the general fear of immigrants/Muslims etc taking over the country then it's obvious what the real reason was.
This attitude is exactly part of why we have ended up in this situation. Instead of acknowledging and understanding people's (legitimate) issues with the EU, they are simply branded as bigoted racists and therefore their stance hardens even further and we end up in a situation where we are facing down the barrel of a no-deal Brexit because those who voted leave have been alienated enough by the losing side that they will argue this is what they wanted to begin with.Did it balls
I love this retrospective changing of the reason people voted Brexit to try and justify it. Farage didn't stand in front of a poster showing concerns about the sovereignty of British courts.
People can make whatever excuses they like about the vote being about sovereignty/economic benefits/protest against the elites but when you look at the language being used before the vote and the general fear of immigrants/Muslims etc taking over the country then it's obvious what the real reason was.
I'm not denying that immigration isn't one of the main factors; May's 'red lines' are there for a reason, because it will play well with the ERG and large parts of the leave voters. But there are genuine issues with the way the EU conducts itself and the amount of say it has in certain jurisdictions of member states' sovereignty and to deny that is wrong, even if they are misconceptions.
The Guardian's economics editor made the case against the Customs Union today:
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/04/customs-union-soft-brexit-trade-goods
That's a pretty sweeping statement.Did it balls
I love this retrospective changing of the reason people voted Brexit to try and justify it. Farage didn't stand in front of a poster showing concerns about the sovereignty of British courts.
People can make whatever excuses they like about the vote being about sovereignty/economic benefits/protest against the elites but when you look at the language being used before the vote and the general fear of immigrants/Muslims etc taking over the country then it's obvious what the real reason was.
The official vote leave campaign doesn't represent everybody who voted to leave. For me, it has always been about sovereignty, not some superior nationalism or xenophobia. In fact, there's even a socialist/left wing case for local rule, the SNP being a good example of that, and traditional eurosceptics included old Labour and Corbyn himself. Is he a racist?
Yes, there are plenty of xenophobic, narrow minded leavers, but to say that there aren't a decent number who simply didn't want to be part of a superstate project simply isn't fair.
Oh when the slimey toads come to making money off the back of the ordinary people they are certainly masters. That’s why it should be revoked, it’s nothing more than a con job from the main protagonists JRM, BoJo, Farage, Banks - all up to their necks in making dirty money out of it all and fcuk the ordinary man if he gets screwed over, loses pension and ends up with a higher cost of living.
What do you mean by the way the EU conducts itself and at which part of member states sovereignty does it have?
HoC not Lords.
I'm fairly certain brexit would still have passed if you took out all those who only voted because of sovereignty. That doesn't work in reverse.
Well for me specifically I mean the lack of transparency in the way the EU works and decides things, though I acknowledge that this also in part down to my ignorance when it comes to the European Parliament.
With regards to sovereignty, I was talking largely about the Courts, where the European Courts take precedence.