VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Tonight is exactly why ABU bias annoys me no end. The elbow, the penalty and 30 seconds added after a goal scored in injury time.

The referee does not want to be ridiculed for the next week for giving United anything.
 
Northstand said:
Maybe it’s just me but as well as the blatant penalty turned down, it looked like our wall was way over the usual estimation of 10 yards from the ball for that equaliser.
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the free kick JWP scored against us is shown to be taken in a position to the side of the spray that the referee put down. It’s a farce that these things aren’t checked.
 
Stonewall pen yet the cnuts in the media will gloss over it. All fecking week we’ve heard how unjust our derby win was but that’s a bent as feck decision and hope Ten Hag bring this up. The more you see it the more fcuked up it is that it wasn’t given.
 
You know it won't be just this game either. We have to suffer at least 4 or 5 more weeks of nothing going our way, guaranteed.
 
What more would’ve been needed for that tackle to satisfy the clear and obvious criterion? Would it be clear and obvious if he squatted on top of him and took a shit on him? Beyond tripping and pushing him while not getting the ball, how could that not be a penalty? Surely the ref must’ve thought he got some of the ball considering other fouls he gave during the game, which VAR should’ve spotted.
 
Honestly it's still disgraceful that refs aren't mic'd up and asked to explain themselves to fans. It's all so cryptic. Most popular sport in the world and refs decisions are a mystery.
 
I was amazed the ref didn’t give it in real time. Even more amazing VAR didn’t then intervene. Such a massive moment in the game and our season.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
I agree it should have been a pen but clearly it has been difficult for the officials to decide when var intervenes. I'm sure the ref thought it was a clean tackle but would have changed his mind if he had watched a replay.
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Yeah I know. Which is a clear and obvious error, which they said it's not. That can't just be a mistake, I mean, that's not in the rules, I haven't seen that before. VAR makes these things easier by having the replay button and big screen, they.. didn't do that?
 
Not sure that's a pen to be honest. No contact on McT right foot, then his left leg hit the defender on the way down. The sudden change of direction makes him fall more than the defender's intervention. The push is a bit meh too. But we've seen them given for way less so whatever :angel:
 
I just KNEW like did when Klopp had his dig that time, that we would struggle to get a penalty unless it was absolute murder, after the City game. I had absolutely no doubt that it was a stonewall penalty tonight, and I can’t understand how VAR would think it wasn’t. We are being made to pay for the storm caused in the last one (which of course was not our fault that it was given).
 
Berbasbullet said:
Where I am now, is it Webb whos in control of the reffing now?

Why have a system where you can basically arbitrarily come in and correct a decision? Even if you can see an incorrect decision and have VAR to make a decision we have refs that actively decide not to, because some clear and obvious rubbish?
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Ya Webb now oversees it and has made it his mission to 'fix var'. That a massive massive 2 points stolen
 
When are we gonna start hearing their decision making process? It’s a joke that they can make so many wrong calls and not be held accountable.

3 weeks from now they’ll send an apology and that’ll be that.
 
We get one goal our way, not even from cheating but from a loophole in the law, and now we’re going to have to accept getting ridiculous calls against us for the rest of the season to make up for it.

I really hope someone points out the media’s role in influencing refereeing decisions with the faux outrage when it comes to us.
 
awop said:
Not sure that's a pen to be honest. No contact on McT right foot, then his left leg hit the defender on the way down. The sudden change of direction makes him fall more than the defender's intervention. The push is a bit meh too. But we've seen them given for way less so whatever :angel:
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It's stonewall. When redknapp says its a pen to united you know it is
 
Wilt said:
Who were the cnuts on VAR?
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Neil Swarbrick will be in charge of things at Stockley Park, with Neil Davies being his assistant on the monitors. Never heard those names before.
 
We have had a blight of woefully soft pens since VAR came in then you get ones like this that are so obvious pens and don't even get a second look.
 
The officials are fecking useless. This whole thing about is it a big enough error to overturn the decision is a lot of shite when it comes to penalties, it either is or it isn’t. You can’t say well it’s a penalty but not enough of a penalty to overturn the ref, that’s nonsense. How is not awarding a penalty when you should’ve not considered a major error?
 
Wilt said:
Who were the cnuts on VAR?
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of course this cnut said no penalty

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Berbasbullet said:
Is it a case of they're worried about undermining the ref? Like an ego thing?
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Theres been a clear shift this season to have VAR not step on the ref's toes unless they are 100% sure he will change his mind and he got it wrong. If its even remotely subjective they stay out of it.
 
awop said:
Not sure that's a pen to be honest. No contact on McT right foot, then his left leg hit the defender on the way down. The sudden change of direction makes him fall more than the defender's intervention. The push is a bit meh too. But we've seen them given for way less so whatever :angel:
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:lol:
 
padr81 said:
Theres been a clear shift this season to have VAR not step on the ref's toes unless they are 100% sure he will change his mind and he got it wrong. If its even remotely subjective they stay out of it.
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Really silly, surely common sense dictates the ref can just say down his mic:

"Worth me taking a second look at?"
"Yes boss"

Done, no one gets hurt.
 
padr81 said:
Theres been a clear shift this season to have VAR not step on the ref's toes unless they are 100% sure he will change his mind and he got it wrong. If its even remotely subjective they stay out of it.
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If the ref makes a decision on the pitch VAR can only advise he's maded a total feck up and needs to look, that call tonight was a 50/50 call, if the ref had given it VAR would say you didn't totally feck up so it's good
 
Baxter said:
Shreeves didn’t ask about the penalty
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Of course not. The media's only interested in decisions that go for United. No interest in discussing decisions that should have gone our way. There's no way there will be five days of debate about how we were robbed tonight.
 
Let's be honest. If they can look at the Sancho non-penalty against Newcastle earlier on in the season and say that's not a pen then they can get away with anything.

VAR may as well be done away with for good.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Really silly, surely common sense dictates the ref can just say down his mic:

"Worth me taking a second look at?"
"Yes boss"

Done, no one gets hurt.
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100% its fecking stupid as hell but hey if the FA/PL can find a way to make football more complicated, ununderstandable and stupid they will.

Red in STL said:
If the ref makes a decision on the pitch VAR can only advise he's maded a total feck up and needs to look, that call tonight was a 50/50 call, if the ref had given it VAR would say you didn't totally feck up so it's good
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Yup, The problem with VAR is it has to be like 100% a ref mistake or they just defer to the ref. Right now its essentially a super expensive offside checker (Saturday aside).
 
Imagine the outrage if Bruno had smashed his elbow in the face of an opponent like Mateta did on Martinez tonight. Was it even checked by VAR? And yeah, the pen on McTominay looked clear to me as well.
 
#07 said:
Of course not. The media's only interested in decisions that go for United. No interest in discussing decisions that should have gone our way. There's no way there will be five days of debate about how we were robbed tonight.
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Rashford's goal: "oh that's a controversial decision for MANCHESTER UNITED at OLD TRAFFORD"
Tonight: "[shoulder shrug] well these things do happen"
 
It's impressive that VAR has managed to find the only people in the country who have zero accountability in their job and are still so utterly terrified by people saying mean things about them.
 
padr81 said:
100% its fecking stupid as hell but hey if the FA/PL can find a way to make football more complicated, ununderstandable and stupid they will.



Yup, The problem with VAR is it has to be like 100% a ref mistake or they just defer to the ref. Right now its essentially a super expensive offside checker (Saturday aside).
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That's a problem with the rules on VAR use not the actual system, which is what a lot on here don't seem to understand, if it had been the other end of the pitch they'd be applauding it!
 
Ok they can absolutely feck off with this non penalty call. Utter nonsense. The FA can also do one with placing this game between City and Arsenal.
 
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