How was Arsenal's first goal allowed? Zinchenko wrestles a Sporting player to the ground.
Hard to say. It's unclear if Zinchenko wraps his arms around him, or if the Sporting player pulls his arms around. The second half of the incident the Sporting player grabs Zinchenko's arm and falls to the deck. There was a camera behind the goal line that would have covered the whole incident, we only get to see half of it on the replay.How was Arsenal's first goal allowed? Zinchenko wrestles a Sporting player to the ground.
Don't think that was a foul, he miscontrols the ball and Saka makes the tackle. He gets pushed over afterwards, but once the ball is won that doesn't matter.And saka for their second goal.
It's like they just toss a coin and decide what's a foul.
It was 100% accidental. He had his back to the player and was on his way back down from a big leap. How could he possibly have intended to do that?Can't believe so many in the match thread agree with the penalty award to Liverpool. How is someone supposed to jump without his arms aloft?
It was a penalty. His arm was already coming down from his leap and then it goes back up. It is an unnatural position at that point.
Not unnatural as he was turning around. Its a penalty thoughIt was a penalty. His arm was already coming down from his leap and then it goes back up. It is an unnatural position at that point.
How do you come to that conclusion, based on the handball law? You reckon he’s moved his arm deliberately towards the ball from that distance with the ball being headed at him from behind? Genuinely curious, not having a go. Your two sentences don’t add up to me.Not unnatural as he was turning around. Its a penalty though
I never said anything was deliberate. And the rules don’t say handball has to be deliberate. Read the rulesHow do you come to that conclusion, based on the handball law? You reckon he’s moved his arm deliberately towards the ball from that distance with the ball being headed at him from behind? Genuinely curious, not having a go. Your two sentences don’t add up to me.
I’ve read the rules multiple times, thank you.I never said anything was deliberate. And the rules don’t say handball has to be deliberate. Read the rules
You shouldn’t go around telling people what they think. If your arm is above shoulder height its deemed unnatural by the rules. Doesn’t mean I think its unnatural.I’ve read the rules multiple times, thank you.
Handball occurs when a ball is deliberately handled or when the hand is struck by the ball in an unnatural position (or the body becoming unnaturally bigger).
That’s what didn’t make sense to me with your statement. You said it wasn’t unnatural (which I agree with), but then you said it’s a penalty anyway. So you must think it’s a deliberate action then? But now you’re denying that too. So how do you come to the conclusion that it’s a penalty if it’s accidental and the arm isn’t in an unnatural position? Given those two admissions, there’s no basis for considering it a penalty, and I think that using VAR to overturn a non-call, ie deeming it a clear and obvious error, is a shocking decision that won’t get mentioned much.
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
Are you reading my posts?You shouldn’t go around telling people what they think. If your arm is above shoulder height its deemed unnatural by the rules. Doesn’t mean I think its unnatural.
Quite easy if you read the post you just quoted. What the rules deems to be unnatural bears no relation to what me and you thinkAre you reading my posts?
I’m confused as to how you deem it natural but still a pen. But I now understand that the rules are irrelevant to your opinion.
They changed it again. That is only the goal scorer now, but this was a deliberate handball.Unnatural or not doesnt matter when it's in attack right? It's always handball so this should be ruled out regardless of arm position. Or did they change it yet again?
Didn't Eric dier have one similar against him a few years agoIt was 100% accidental. He had his back to the player and was on his way back down from a big leap. How could he possibly have intended to do that?
If they are not “overhead” then … yeah. The overhead kick ushered in by the likes of Pele ONLY works in light of things like high boot rules because the players foot is linear and essentially takes the space their own head was moments before.I was watching the game. It was an unfortunate incident. There's an argument for a yellow for dangerous play but there was clearly no intent to endanger an opponent. Do we want to take overhead kicks out of the game?