How can you be so fecking bad at your job? Any idiot could see that was a stonewall penalty, no excuse for not giving it, fecking mouthbreather.
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That penalty no call is horrible
Since when were the FA responsible for scheduling PL games? If you're gonna have a meltdown at least get your facts right
Yea after that offside goal. We're not getting another var call in our favor. feck Klopp
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...t-penaltiessave-20-offside-goals?platform=amp
It’s this and it’s hidden behind incompetence. Refs are purposely not giving penalties and it’s being hidden behind the threshold of VAR. the laws haven’t being adjusted, they’ve just decided to turn their heads.
It’s this and it’s hidden behind incompetence. Refs are purposely not giving penalties and it’s being hidden behind the threshold of VAR. the laws haven’t being adjusted, they’ve just decided to turn their heads.
Agree, I've always said the VA part is not the problem its the R. The tech is great.
Match report on BBC website - no mention of elbow in Martinez's face or denial of blatant penalty kick when McTominay fouled.
The “clear and obvious error” rule is such a complete and utter nonsense or at least how they are choosing to interpret it.
It is basically saying “wow that was a difficult decision, it was quick and the angles the ref had were very awkward so it’s perfectly reasonable that they got it wrong so we can stick with that decision as to not embarrass them”
When really it should be “that was a very difficult decision to make, it was quick and the angle was awkward but fortunately we have 8 different camera angles and are able to slow it down and pinpoint exactly what the correct decision was which will empower the ref”
It is basically saying “wow that was a difficult decision, it was quick and the angles the ref had were very awkward so it’s perfectly reasonable that they got it wrong so we can stick with that decision as to not embarrass them”
When really it should be “that was a very difficult decision to make, it was quick and the angle was awkward but fortunately we have 8 different camera angles and are able to slow it down and pinpoint exactly what the correct decision was which will empower the ref”
Yeah it’s hard to understand their thinking on that one. It’s very clearly a penalty, all I can think is they only looked at the replay in slow motion which makes it slightly less blatant. Watch it in full speed and it’s completely obvious. Either way it’s not a good look for VAR.
Yeah. They can use that on anything. What we think is a clear penalty isn't necessarily that anymore, if they don't want it to. A soft foul is still a penalty in the right circumstance, if they want it too. A dive is also still a penalty if there's contact, unless they don't want it to. Don't worry, marginal offsides aren't as marginal anymore because we've moved the line to become bigger which means you can be a little further ahead of the defender than before without it not being called offside, if they don't want it to. Ground breaking stuff, fecking up the game.
It's not just the ref though, it's as much the rules of what VAR can and can't do as well, refs makes mistakes but tonight the players made far more mistakes than the ref did!
I feel that, kinda how I felt on Saturday. I think the introduction of VAR has shown just how much football rules need an overhaul.
TBH we didn't need VAR to know that!
What annoys me most is the lack of uniformity in its application across the board in football. It was used to good effect at the World Cup, heck, it was used to good effect even in its early stage at the 2018 World Cup, so why hasn't the Premier League got the hang of it after three fecking years?
Sorry yeah, it's probably better the PL can do one
I love how a 50/50 decision goes our way on Saturday and it's the world football talking point for days but then a stonewall penalty isn't called and... Not a peep?
Where's all the outrage about referee's tonight, there was 3 days of debates on social media and all the sports channels after Saturday but guarantee this one on Mctominay will be forgotten about
The only possible reason the ref couldn’t have given a pen is if he thought the defender had touched the ball.
Turns out he didn’t and wasn’t anywhere near it.
Mystifying decision……..
Turns out he didn’t and wasn’t anywhere near it.
Mystifying decision……..
The rules are open to interpretation by the ref and assistants and by the letter of the law, the City goal stood. Just like the handball offense in the box, but if you pass the ball and it results in a goal, but not by the handball offender, the goal stands.
The ref was scared to make that decision today. Lisandro gets a people's elbow in the head like nothing happened. Everyone was up in arms knowning McTominay knocked the ball to his right in the box and the defender came across and didn't touch the ball. Total giveaway.
The ref was scared to make that decision today. Lisandro gets a people's elbow in the head like nothing happened. Everyone was up in arms knowning McTominay knocked the ball to his right in the box and the defender came across and didn't touch the ball. Total giveaway.
Can understand the ref thinking he got the ball but doesn't explain how VAR didn't give the penalty after watching the replay
Well exactly.
Var is managed by referees.
90% of refs would have (correctly) given a pen in real time the only possible reason is if the defender got a toe on it. Understandable if the ref tonight had thought that but when it was “clear and obvious “ that he hadn’t it should have been overturned.
Cannot understand the decision making here.
give the var guys a mic and let’s hear what they say.
But they are way too gutless for that.
You're right. I'm not a neutral. I actually much prefer Man Utd to City and pretty much every other big team in that league.
The penalty-call is hard to understand. Obvious mistake. Neil Swarbrick. Bloody tool. We need accountability in refereeing. Have the VAR-people get on camera and explain their decisions. We accept mistakes from the players, and i think we’d accept more from the refs aswell if they had to explain and defend or excuse their decisions. As i understand Robert Jones gives very few pens live, and relies more on VAR than other refs. Also had a look at the freekick, and its definately taken about 5m closer to goal than where the foul was, but it is where the ref marked it(about where the attacker stopped after falling). At the same logic, if you’re fouled 4m outside the penalty area, but «fall« into it, its a penalty. How far away the wall was requires someone with better computer skills than me…
Too easy for the VAR to be pussies in their little room. The chief VAR ref should be there on the sidelines in a tennis umpire chair with the monitors in front of him and a whistle to make calls himself that overrule the onfield ref.
The chain of events from one wank decision is gutting. We go two up from the pen, no yellow for Casemiro as he gets subbed, we bag three points and we go to Arsenal with confidence. What are those cnuts watching in the VAR room?
Manchester United always get help from the refs...
Really annoying blatant refereeing feckup by the VAR referee. You’d have to wonder if he didn’t have pictures or something.
You know itwas barely a peep about salahs offside goal either
If you mean the goal v Wolves, that was a legitimate goal by letter of the law.
standard
So was ours then. Rashford didn't touch the ball and didn't obstruct anyone.
"Obvious error" yea, i dont think any ref would like to be called out like that. So any 30/70 still goes to ref favor.
VAR is not at fault here
VAR is not at fault here
The foul on McTominay was about as clear as it gets. I cannot get my head around how it was not given.
I know people are saying it's about the controversy last week, but... it's so easy to see that this was not a controversial decision, and it's also not hard to just assess each situation independently based on the video replays. What the feck are they doing?
I know people are saying it's about the controversy last week, but... it's so easy to see that this was not a controversial decision, and it's also not hard to just assess each situation independently based on the video replays. What the feck are they doing?
They're not at all similar though. Salah only became involved after the Wolves defender fecked up his clearance. Rashford was involved from the moment the through ball was played. The laws very clearly state that Salah's goal was onside. With the Rashford one it's far more subjective and about interpretation which is when it always gets a bit messy.
A 50/50 decision went your way tonight too and I haven't seen much uproar over it. Casemiro's tackle was a shocker.
Here is the deal. Two years ago this was going to be given by var. since then the var has been used as blatant errors. Ot is not used to undermine every ref decision. So the ref could have said I saw the contact and judged it as non pk. They are intentionally trying not to override every missed call by refs.
We may not like it but that’s the reality.
We may not like it but that’s the reality.
That was never a red card, but if you want to go there, the commentators and the studio both said it could've been a red.
Did they mention the elbow on Martinez that drew blood?
unfortunately for the reasons you mention, they do NOT want that level of scrutiny, as it is suits them just fine……..harumph.
I don’t get how the foul on McSauce was any different to the foul in the Fulham Newcastle game in which VAR intervened. Seems this high bar gets lowered when they see fit
Was gonna comment on that. Annoying isn't it.