VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Bin it. Might as well

The tech is brilliant, it's easy to use, but they don't want to. United didn't get a penalty tonight because they got a controversial correct call on Saturday. Referees personalities, biases and narratives still decide matches no matter how good the technology
 
I’m looking forward to every single pundit spending the next week talk about the penalty we didn’t get awarded.
 
The media achieved its objectives: Five days of crying about decisions United get and we're denied a penalty tonight. We'll probably have to have someone sot to get another penalty this season.
 
And back again with same crap of decisions agains us. It is like 15 against, 1 for us. I wonder what it takes to get penalty there?
 
Maybe it’s just me but as well as the blatant penalty turned down, it looked like our wall was way over the usual estimation of 10 yards from the ball for that equaliser.
 
Totally inept, incompetent use of a very simple technology by this group of pathetic officials.

Why are they absolutely incapable of making any sort of judgement call? We're told the directive is to use VAR less, so now they're not going to use it all at all. Likewise, at the World Cup, referees are told to add more time, so they start adding ten minutes per half. Ludicrous.

No point having VAR if you're not going to give that penalty, get rid of it. Its only as good as the baboons operating it anyway
 
SuperiorXI said:
Because the ref didn't give it and we just got a "lucky call" so we're not due another one for at least 10 games or so, since it's United.
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What is a lucky call? That is outrageous. Player one through on goal, player two tackles him to the ground without getting the ball. Whaaat? Ridiculous decision from the ref, and borderline corrupt from VAR.
 
They've changed the rules to be even more ridiculous now.

At least before they'd check things and overturn them if they were wrong.

Now they're essentially checking things and 'might' but probably won't overturn them. How pathetic is that?

Mctominay clearly got the ball, the defender reached across, missed the ball and tripped him. How CANT that be a penalty?
 
#07 said:
The media achieved its objectives: Five days of crying about decisions United get and we're denied a penalty tonight. We'll probably have to have someone sot to get another penalty this season.
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It has been that way all season. When Ronaldo was here he was getting the shit kicked out of him in the box and nothing given.
 
That's as clear pen as I've ever seen. The defender didn't even graze the ball. Bet you'll never hear that on TV. It's just United offside this, offside that. Absolutely disgusting.
 
SER19 said:
Bin it. Might as well

The tech is brilliant, it's easy to use, but they don't want to. United didn't get a penalty tonight because they got a controversial correct call on Saturday. Referees personalities, biases and narratives still decide matches no matter how good the technology
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I think it's an issue with the rules above all else. With so much room for interpretation it becomes difficult for VAR to say the wrong decision was made on field. That's why we have the clear and obvious nonsense.
 
MikeKing said:
What is a lucky call? That is outrageous. Player one through on goal, player two tackles him to the ground without getting the ball. Whaaat? Ridiculous decision from the ref, and borderline corrupt from VAR.
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I'm talking about the Bruno goal against Shitty, and I put it in quotes as it was a perfectly legit goal that's been spun by opposition fans and the media.
 
Sviken said:
That's as clear pen as I've ever seen. The defender didn't even graze the ball. Bet you'll never hear that on TV. It's just United offside this, offside that. Absolutely disgusting.
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This ref is trash. He has been absolutely woeful every time I have seen him refereeing a game. VAR being their usual self in not giving us anything. What's the point of VAR if the clear pen is not given.
 
It should be easy to incorporate a piece of technology that makes scenarios that are subjective, objective. But instead they introduce yet another subjective decision to allow refs to second guess themselves.

If the VAR Ref thinks the decision might be wrong, just allow the on field Ref the opportunity to watch it again and make a better decision with more information. How fecking hard is this goddamn shit.

The inconsistency is maddening.
 
So if the ref doesn’t award a penalty, but video evidence shows it clearly definitely fecking is a penalty, how is that not a clear and obvious error again?

make it make sense you absolute helmets.
 
MikeKing said:
I get that view, but I disagree. This is a penalty on VAR every day of the week. Why isn't this one?
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because they made a mistake

my comment was talking about how flawed the system is not about whether this should be a pen or not (it should)

eg VAR makes different decisions based on what the ref does. But they should just call it how it is
 
Thom Merrilin said:
I think it's an issue with the rules above all else. With so much room for interpretation it becomes difficult for VAR to say the wrong decision was made on field. That's why we have the clear and obvious nonsense.
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It's not difficult. Well, if there is very little in it and some refs give it and some refs don't, then yeah there is a natural lack of consistency. Bending the rules to allow that to NOT be a penalty, not sure i've ever seen that with VAR in place yet. Absolutely horrific in such an important game.
 
I don't understand the clear and obvious thing? Surely it's clear and obviously an error when the ref has thought the defender touched the ball when he actually hasn't?
 
NK86 said:
This ref is trash. He has been absolutely woeful every time I have seen him refereeing a game. VAR being their usual self in not giving us anything. What's the point of VAR if the clear pen is not given.
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The ref is trash, but isn't VAR there to prevent this kind of shit? What are these useless numbnuts doing sitting there? Jacking off to porn? Might as well bin the whole system since it's again reliant on people and their natural biases.
 
If VAR can't overturn something that fecking obvious then just bin it off, useless twats.
 
Tarrou said:
because they made a mistake

my comment was talking about how flawed the system is not about whether this should be a pen or not (it should)
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Fair enough, I'm just saying VAR making a mistake isn't acceptable and borders on corruption. It's IN the rulebook that that is a penalty, no ifs and buts.
 
Shocking. How on earth do these refs that fecking do this for a living not be able to tell that it’s a penalty on a fecking tv with fecking replays.
 
SER19 said:
Bin it. Might as well

The tech is brilliant, it's easy to use, but they don't want to. United didn't get a penalty tonight because they got a controversial correct call on Saturday. Referees personalities, biases and narratives still decide matches no matter how good the technology
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Where I am now, is it Webb whos in control of the reffing now?

Why have a system where you can basically arbitrarily come in and correct a decision? Even if you can see an incorrect decision and have VAR to make a decision we have refs that actively decide not to, because some clear and obvious rubbish?
 
Don’t understand how someone not touching the ball and tripping someone up is not a penalty? That gets given in other games. No consistency what so ever!
 
Bangor_Red said:
I don't understand the clear and obvious thing? Surely it's clear and obviously an error when the ref has thought the defender touched the ball when he actually hasn't?
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You'd fecking think so wouldn't you. I know rival fans will laugh and say we deserve it, but every single club gets trash calls like this. The rules for VAR change every week and the implementation of said rules differs game to game. It's so piss poor.

If the FA are going to keep fecking around, then just simply ban VAR getting involved at all unless its an offside call. At least that way VAR can be consistent across the entire season.
 
SuperiorXI said:
I'm talking about the Bruno goal against Shitty, and I put it in quotes as it was a perfectly legit goal that's been spun by opposition fans and the media.
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Oh yeah I understand now. I said as much myself, that was the worst bit of luck we got because they will use that against us for the rest of the season.
 
Northstand said:
Maybe it’s just me but as well as the blatant penalty turned down, it looked like our wall was way over the usual estimation of 10 yards from the ball for that equaliser.
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Mate, the free kick was taken 5-10 yards further forward than the actual foul. It's fecking shocking from the ref too.

Makes all the difference when the strike needs to be as perfect as that.
 
MikeKing said:
It's not difficult. Well, if there is very little in it and some refs give it and some refs don't, then yeah there is a natural lack of consistency. Bending the rules to allow that to NOT be a penalty, not sure i've ever seen that with VAR in place yet. Absolutely horrific in such an important game.
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I agree it should have been a pen but clearly it has been difficult for the officials to decide when var intervenes. I'm sure the ref thought it was a clean tackle but would have changed his mind if he had watched a replay.
 
I don’t even know what a foul is these days, because VAR makes such different decisions each week I have no idea what is what
 
It was obvious that we weren't going to be given anything this evening.

I get that fans (including me) love it when the media have a meltdown over a controversial decision but it leads to refs going against their better judgement. Just like tonight.

It was a clear penalty and the only reason it wasn't given was the refs didn't want to find themselves under the same scrutiny as Stuart Attwell has been under since Sunday.
 
Is it a case of they're worried about undermining the ref? Like an ego thing?
 
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