Richards was making out that even if rashford didn’t run for it Bruno shouldn’t have been allowed to run from deep because the defender stepped up to play rashford offside. Total numpty and amazed he’s still on tv still.
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Exactly . Almost like he watches no football
The whole situation is a prime example of the lawmakers trying to make things that can be left to interpretation somewhat a Cut and dry decision. Much like the handball law which we have been victim of numerous times. Funny how there wasn't anywhere near as much noise about all those ridiculous decisions as what there is in this one.
The decision was correct but it's doesn't mean it's right and I think there should be a little bit of common sense applied in unique situations such as this, and the same very much applies to the Handball law which has never been cut and dry in football. And interfering with play can be left up to interpretation as well.
The decision was correct but it's doesn't mean it's right and I think there should be a little bit of common sense applied in unique situations such as this, and the same very much applies to the Handball law which has never been cut and dry in football. And interfering with play can be left up to interpretation as well.
it's an abysmal law, just like Salah's the other week v Wolves, the ball was played to a player in an offside position, he should then be ruled offside
Now this would be some nonsense
The main analysis of the Rashford incident seems a little odd. He starts by saying that the goal could have been ruled out but then (correctly) identifies that there was no break of any of the offside rules.
The more I look at this the more it appears to have been an excellent decision by the referee team. Had they gone the other way, it would have been wrong and var should have told them to look at it again as it would have been a clear and obvious error.
That said, I can see some sense in amending the rules to reflect the fact that a goalkeeper might be put off as a result. Will be interesting to see what they do.
That’s dangerous as well though. There’s plenty of situations where you could point to an offside player distracting the keeper while not getting involved with the ball.
I honestly believe we need to set new offside rules from top to bottom and accept them. There’s grey areas no matter what happens and we can’t just keep changing them to suit a certain outlier. There must be 5/6 different offside interpretations over the last 20 years alone
It's one of those that a referee can say that Ederson was directly impacted by Rashford as he was prepping for a left footed shot vs a right footed shot, so VAR wouldn't overturn it if the reasoning was impacting Ederson. If the reasoning was impacting Akanji or Walker, then I feel like VAR would overturn it as they were just too far away so weren't actually impacted.
I'm starting to worry about the amount of coverage this decision is getting.
We laugh but we also laughed when Klopp complained about the number of penalties we were getting. Overnight referees seemed to start applying much higher thresholds of contact to our forwards than ever before. In the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea we had one penalty, should've been two and could've been three.
This stuff influences referees. They say it doesn't but it does. You watch tomorrow night and on Sunday. The referees will be desperate to prove they're 'strong enough' to referee Man Utd.
I can almost predict we're going to get some ridiculous decisions go against us this week. Hopefully Anthony Taylor doesn't move the wall back too far again...
We laugh but we also laughed when Klopp complained about the number of penalties we were getting. Overnight referees seemed to start applying much higher thresholds of contact to our forwards than ever before. In the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea we had one penalty, should've been two and could've been three.
This stuff influences referees. They say it doesn't but it does. You watch tomorrow night and on Sunday. The referees will be desperate to prove they're 'strong enough' to referee Man Utd.
I can almost predict we're going to get some ridiculous decisions go against us this week. Hopefully Anthony Taylor doesn't move the wall back too far again...
Akanji was definitely impacted. He stepped forward to (successfully) catch Rashford offside. If Rashford wasn’t there he would have been a couple of metres further back and not moving away from goal when Bruno made his run. Which would have made a massive difference, as he could probably have got to the ball before Bruno.
Who cares though? The law as it stands doesn’t take that into account. So all good.
An offside trap is a risk as he wasn't aware that Bruno was behind him. He stepped up to play the offside on Rashford, yes, but that doesn't make Rashford offside (in terms of calling him offside). As from that point on, the ball is just running through the Bruno essentially. Rashford could stop running entirely (where there wouldn't be any argument if this should be offside) or keep running as he did without getting the ball, it doesn't influence Akanji with regards to getting to the ball before Bruno. I don't think they'll ever change the law to make that offside with regards to Akanji, as it's just one of those things... don't try an offside trap if you don't know if there is somebody else running in behind.
That’s not covered by the wording though, so if they did want it covered then they’d need to amend the rules. As it stands, disallowing it on the basis that Ederson was impacted would be wrong.
Yeah but if Rashford doesn’t touch the ball not block a defender from getting to it then he’s never offside? So Akanji doesn’t actually play him offside?
Entire thing is a fecking mess. Sometimes I wonder if football isn’t meant to be free flowing as a concept and the only way to ever solve this is to just draw a line on the pitch and say if anybody is over this line when the ball is struck then you’re off. Seems to work well around the half way line decisions
By far the most straightforward fix is binning the offside rule completely. It’s been successfully done in other sports (field hockey) without affecting the entertainment factor at all. If anything it made it better to watch. Playing area more stretched = more space to exploit.
I suspect it would just end up with goal hanging and defenders sitting deeper making it harder to break them down
A better version of the offside rule perhaps, maybe define a specific point of the body, say your feet, that determines whether you're off or not, maybe extend the 18 yard across the pitch and you cannot be offside before reaching that point, and get rid of that not interfering crap, would simplify but still retain some elements and doubt and controversy - we need that or what we talk about half the time!
Clowns.
How wasn’t that a penalty?!
Clear pen not given
Can anyone explain why a penalty wasn't given?
Clear and obvious. Get fecked.
Everton, Wolves and now Palace where we’ve been done by VAR denying us a second goal.
Why wouldn't they look at the close, slow version to see if it was contact? Instead of that far away angle, quickly?
This is an issue with VAR, refs are reluctant to make decisions and then it has to be clear and obvious.
This is an issue with VAR, refs are reluctant to make decisions and then it has to be clear and obvious.
Looked a clear penalty to me but whatever.
- Matata should've been sent off for an elbow
- McT should've had a pen
Won't get a single mention by the ABU media.
- McT should've had a pen
Won't get a single mention by the ABU media.
Elbow was unintentional but thought the penalty should've been given. Arguably not stonewall enough for VAR but just a shit ref.
Refs are just a bunch of fecking donkeys. Anyone trying to excuse them from abuse is just trying to be white knight. They could do mistakes week in week out that affect the season and still got the job at the end of the day. A bunch of old boys club they are. If anything they should be culpable and made to answer their calls in public. I have watched football for 20 years and never even heard epl ref got fired or even demoted permanently. They are protected too much and would love to see more abuse being directed to them. If I do as much mistake as them on my job I would be fired long ago
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In hindsight not giving that penalty would probably mean Casemiro didnt have to take a yellow. Its not 3 points lost in this but it might cost us points against Arsenal
edit: oh well losing points anyways
edit: oh well losing points anyways
Domino effect cause if the penalty is given then Casemiro almost certainly wouldn’t be booked.
If even one of the big two calls went our way we win that game easily. Always a shame when the refs influence the game so much.
Let's see if the media spend the next week talking about our blatant penalty that was never given like they did with rashford interfering with play v City.`
they won't
Just awful decision, chance to make it 2-0, we then lose Case and they get a goal back.
We've just been steered away from a chance of closing in on Arsenal on a 100% penalty call not given.
We've just been steered away from a chance of closing in on Arsenal on a 100% penalty call not given.
I'm sure all the people crying about Rashford against City will be fuming at no red card for Eduoard or PK for McTominay. Opposition fans included of course.
Probably should have been a pen and a reason why this clear and obvious nonsense should be discarded. If a mistake has been made, fix it.
the funny thing is if it was given as a pen and VAR checked it, they wouldn't overturn it because again it isn't clear and obvious
they've created a system that allows room for mistakes whilst using video fecking evidence to check things
they've created a system that allows room for mistakes whilst using video fecking evidence to check things
Replay of the McTominay pen call? Looked clear as day to me.
But they need to protect their pals. feck the lot of them cnuts. Atwell fecked us and he got home with pat in the back from FA and PGMOL.
I want to see the same outcry from the media on that pen call
I get that view, but I disagree. This is a penalty on VAR every day of the week. Why isn't this one?
Robbed.