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Salah's goal is disallowed and Wolves goal from the corner stands if its any other team but liverpool. There is no other reason for it. Your telling me that after all this time there is no footage covering a corner kick on that side of the pitch ? Its is 100% comedy show from Var and refs and they all should be on their knees apologising to Wolves.
Tbf, Wolves should get the third goals. It’s nonsense and silly rule.
He doesn’t think it’s offside, or he would have flagged straight away. He thinks it MAY be offside, that’s why he waited. VAR couldn’t prove his maybe so it should not have been given offside imo
I guess other cameras were busy recording Klopp and his teeth?
What a farce, and it happened so many times with Liverpool over the last few years. My mate who supports Liverpool still uses the good old excuse:"But the referees helped you guys so much in the past so we are still compensating". He is now using that excuse for almost ten years.
What a farce, and it happened so many times with Liverpool over the last few years. My mate who supports Liverpool still uses the good old excuse:"But the referees helped you guys so much in the past so we are still compensating". He is now using that excuse for almost ten years.
No, this is wrong. They are encouraged to flag early if there is absolutely no doubt that it's offside. If they think it's offside but reasonably close they should flag after the incident. Flagging after the incident is totally equivalent to flagging in the good old days.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1833470
No way the Wolves winner was offside. There is definitely a bias towards Liverpool on balance over the long term.
Fair enough, it’s a massive feck up from the linesman then because from the opposite side of the pitch he looks about 2 yards on side.
So the wolves disallowed goal couldn't be proved to be onside because of lack of camera angles!? What!? That is compleatly unacceptable and should be investigated.
Ultimatley though in that situation the officials have no choice but to go with the onfield
decision. Similar to a goal we scored at West Ham a few years back where it looked like the ball had gone out from a goal kick in the build up but there was no way of proving it so the onfield decisions stood. But that was a unique situation with the ball being very high in the air, it really shouldn't be the case for a fairly normal offside decision. Complete Farce.
But the biggest traversty of the night was Mo Salahs goal. That is a disgraceful decision. There is no way that goal should stand. Salah has not received the ball as the result of a deliberate action from the wolves defender. But that should be irregardless because Salah was already active and offside because he was quite clearly going to attempt to play the ball that was passed to him which is what caused the wolves defender to attempt to block it.
Ultimatley though in that situation the officials have no choice but to go with the onfield
decision. Similar to a goal we scored at West Ham a few years back where it looked like the ball had gone out from a goal kick in the build up but there was no way of proving it so the onfield decisions stood. But that was a unique situation with the ball being very high in the air, it really shouldn't be the case for a fairly normal offside decision. Complete Farce.
But the biggest traversty of the night was Mo Salahs goal. That is a disgraceful decision. There is no way that goal should stand. Salah has not received the ball as the result of a deliberate action from the wolves defender. But that should be irregardless because Salah was already active and offside because he was quite clearly going to attempt to play the ball that was passed to him which is what caused the wolves defender to attempt to block it.
It couldn't be proved to be offside either, so it renders VAR completely and utterly pointless for this match.
What an absolute shambles of officiating…
There definitely isn’t. This conspiracy nonsense has to stop.
Sounds like all the crap we rightly laughed at after Pogba’s goal at West Ham the other year
It's a batshit crazy law but was the correct decision as the laws of the game stand
I hope Wolves challenge both calls.
What would that achieve, the first decision is entirely correct, second decision is just one of those things
You’re actually arguing that he raised the flag for offside despite not thinking it was offside.
This is plain wrong and if you don’t understand why then there’s no point discussing.
No VAR is not set up to determine if a ball goes out of play. It is beyond their remit at the moment. With the new chipped ball technology that was in place during The World Cup we can see that in the future they may be able to make those calls when that technology is implemented.
Getting offside calls right on the other hand is one of the fundamental reasons that VAR exists. If they can't get offside calls right then what's the point of it.
No, I didn’t say he didn’t think it was offside, just that he was unsure and it may have been offside.
When they are are certain it’s offside they raise their flag, when they’re unsure they wait untill goal
Is scored before raising it. This is what happens.
I’ve now been shown a link showing the direction they have been given.
There's a bias generally in football towards teams that generate viewing numbers and money imo...
Could see it clearly in the world cup with Messi. Unbookable, they get Pen after Pen, Pardedes allowed to blast the ball at Netherlands bench without any sanction. Laughable. Even players from other teams call it out.
If there's Bias in the FA Cup, it'll be because people will watch more with Liverpool in it. Not because they're Liverpool per se.
Always about the viewing figures and TV deals.
This is absolute bollocks and I feel sorry for you if you legitimately believe it
No it wasn't, there is actually nothing wrong with the Law it's the senseless interpretation that's the problem.
The attacker not deemed to have gained an advantage by being offside if recieving a ball from a deliberate action by an opponent is for misplaced defensive passes, it is most definitely not for deflections or half blocks as was the case here.
Case in point being Benzemas disallowed goal in the UCL final.
It's obviously been an unworkable rule from the day it was first introduced a few years ago. I'd put it down to the obsession of angling the rule to favour attackers, which is totally unnecessary and complicates matters. They need back to first principles of the rule - does Salah gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Yes - he's offside. Simple as that.
There you go. Linesman is a fecking chancer.
I called this that night. I’m sure the ref gave the goal and it was overturned without VAR.
Edit it seems I’m wrong and it’s the ref signalling offside? How?
Interesting case here in the Motherwell v Hibs game this week:
There's an argument that Porteous denies a goalscoring opportunity as he cleans out the attacker who, a couple of seconds later, would have almost certainly have been on the end of the cut-back and a free shot from 10 yards out.
There's an argument that Porteous denies a goalscoring opportunity as he cleans out the attacker who, a couple of seconds later, would have almost certainly have been on the end of the cut-back and a free shot from 10 yards out.
Offside from the first header? Video only looks at the second header.
History now anyway
That's a stretch. Unless we bring in VAR for potential yellows, there's nothing to be done. Shite reffing though.
Yeah agreed.
That would be a bridge too far imo to retroactively issue a red card for denial through VAR or for VAR to be used for retro yellows.
Running towards the box to potentially receive a pass that may be played towards you, and may not even be accurately played, is never going to meet the criteria for “Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity”. Never a red, and therefore nothing that I’d expect VAR to get involved in.
He looks offside there. The line comes on screen a good after the header. Surely by the time the ball hits the net it’s a different phase of play though.
The VAR line comes up after the second Wolves header in the box, which is correct as it was that header which directed the ball back to the corner-taker.
You’re right. I missed that there was a second header.
Shite again tonight. Meslier doesn't get sent off for kicking someone in the head in the middle of the pitch and Leeds don't get a blatant penalty.
Think that offside call might be right but we'd understandably be livid if that was given against us.
Which, obviously, is absolutely the best sort of goal to score.
Which, obviously, is absolutely the best sort of goal to score.
Aye, can’t believe it stood. Sounds like a hole in the rules if Waltons description is correct
Think that offside call might be right but we'd understandably be livid if that was given against us.
Which, obviously, is absolutely the best sort of goal to score.
Think it should have been called offside. Not sure how he's not interfering with play there.
One of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
They're essentially saying you can stand over the ball and shield it from defenders even if you're offside now. Just as long as you don't physically touch it.
They're essentially saying you can stand over the ball and shield it from defenders even if you're offside now. Just as long as you don't physically touch it.
Thought the decision was spot on.
He ran alongside the ball the whole way too. Just changing the rules on the fly