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You don't have to touch the ball to be interfering with play ffs... Rashford ran on to it, shaped to shoot and then left it, its 100% clear. It is what it is, you guys got a big decision go your way. Doing mental gymnastic against even other United fans to defend it is silly. Enjoy the win but admit that was offside, its not a big deal.
Apprently rules were amended for this very situation. You literally have to block a defender or touch the ball otherwise it isn’t offside.
You not understanding the rule doesn’t make it incorrect. Personally I want the offside rules binned but it is what it is.
 
Horrible decision. City we’re robbed there. Farcical to be honest.
 
If a defender has to react to the actions of an offside player, it's offside. We've been massively lucky here
But it's not though. That's not the rule otherwise the flag would have went straight up against salah during the week as well because he was offside and interfering
 
But it's not though. That's not the rule otherwise the flag would have went straight up against salah during the week as well because he was offside and interfering
It is the rule, look at the last page. A ref fecking up elsewhere doesn't mean this one wasn't a feck up as well
 
From the rulebook:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent


I think there are grounds to allow it.
Yep not one of those apply in this situation. By the rules it's a goal. The rules are probably wrong though.
 
Apprently rules were amended for this very situation. You literally have to block a defender or touch the ball otherwise it isn’t offside.
You not understanding the rule doesn’t make it incorrect. Personally I want the offside rules binned but it is what it is.

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent

These are the current rules Jev posted, so Ederson is running out see's Rashford running onto and then shaping to shoot the ball and it doesn't qualify for the bolded?

I mean it is what it is, and United created the better chances over 90 minutes but saying thats not offside to that bolded part is simply not true. Anyway I'm too depressed, enjoy the win buddy, if Spurs do us both a favor tomorrow you guys are back in the title picture.
 
Did it effect Ederson knowing he wasn't gonna touch it?
Rashford had left the ball alone by the time Ederson had to make the save. Look, it's very debatable but I don't think you can point at anything in those rules to make it a clear error.
 
One of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

They're essentially saying you can stand over the ball and shield it from defenders even if you're offside now. Just as long as you don't physically touch it.

That's how I saw it. Hopefully they change it.
 
90% of your own forum are telling you he was interfering, he literally shaped to shoot the ball and drew his left leg back, the rule was fine the ref just got it wrong.

He could do a double inverted heelflip for all I care, the rules, as stupid as they are, are rules, and just because 90% of this forum is ignorant of the rules and/or trolling pissed of opposition fans, again doesn't make you right.
 
It is the rule, look at the last page. A ref fecking up elsewhere doesn't mean this one wasn't a feck up as well
Which specific part applies? Quote it for me please so we are looking at the same thing and I'll re assess if necessary
 
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent

These are the current rules Jev posted, so Ederson is running out see's Rashford running onto and then shaping to shoot the ball and it doesn't qualify for the bolded?

I mean it is what it is, and United created the better chances over 90 minutes but saying thats not offside to that bolded part is simply not true.
What opponent was effected to play the ball though? No one was close
 
Well no, because then he'd be interfering with the defender. There was no defender close to the ball

He clearly interfered with both defenders and goalkeeper. If you don't think he was active I'd suggest you get some glasses but I think that's probably the issue here. You're wearing red tinted ones already.
 
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent

These are the current rules Jev posted, so Ederson is running out see's Rashford running onto and then shaping to shoot the ball and it doesn't qualify for the bolded?

I mean it is what it is, and United created the better chances over 90 minutes but saying thats not offside to that bolded part is simply not true. Anyway I'm too depressed, enjoy the win buddy, if Spurs do us both a favor tomorrow you guys are back in the title picture.
I just saw it again, the defender is nowhere near the ball behind Marcus. There is no interference, if you haven’t seen it go watch it again. The defender gives up running about 3 yards behind Marcus ffs
 
The thing @padr81 bolded applies here, at least in my opinion
I don't think it does. There wasn't a defender close to it at all imo.

Look it reality it should probably be offside but I don't think any of those laws apply here. Its a rule issue imo
 
He clearly interfered with both defenders and goalkeeper. If you don't think he was active I'd suggest you get some glasses but I think that's probably the issue here. You're wearing red tinted ones already.
Howd did he? Neither are close to the ball and walker didn't get across Bruno let alone to rashford
 
After being fecked over by the refs for disallowing legit goals for handball, I'll take one feck up in our favor.
 
I just saw it again, the defender is nowhere near the ball behind Marcus. There is no interference, if you haven’t seen it go watch it again. The defender gives up running about 3 yards behind Marcus ffs

The goalkeeper is completely influenced by it, watch Ederson shape to go right because it looks like Rashford is gonna hit it with his left. Not that he had any reason to be out there in the first place. Anyway bud I have a feeling we'll be talking in circles, enjoy the 3 points.
 
Yep not one of those apply in this situation. By the rules it's a goal. The rules are probably wrong though.

Rashford being between Akanji and the ball clearly prevents the defender from attempting to clear the ball, it's pretty obvious he slows down because he doesn't want to touch Rashford and risk a red, it totally applies.
 
Rashford being between Akanji and the ball clearly prevents the defender from attempting to clear the ball, it's pretty obvious he slows down because he doesn't want to touch Rashford and risk a red, it totally applies.
He wasn't close to the ball at all though? If he was right on rashfords shoulder I'd agree.

I'll say it again, I think it probably should be offside but I don't think any of the rules have been broken here.
 
Did it effect Ederson knowing he wasn't gonna touch it?

No, Ederson was an idiot who got himself in no man's land again after the 1st half and he was punished this time with a good finish.
 
Howd did he? Neither are close to the ball and walker didn't get across Bruno let alone to rashford

Walker could easily have run across Bruno and challenged him but he runs right past him towards the goal because he's expecting Rashford to shoot. No defender is going to contest Bruno in that instance.

Even if you want to argue he doesn't impact the defenders, you cannot say the same for the keeper. Ederson is miles off his line because he's coming out to close down Rashford who is running on to the ball.
 
The goalkeeper is completely influenced by it, watch Ederson shape to go right because it looks like Rashford is gonna hit it with his left. Not that he had any reason to be out there in the first place.
Keepers closing the ball down from where it’s struck. You know you’re wavering a bit with this point!
 
Walker could easily have run across Bruno and challenged him but he runs right past him towards the goal because he's expecting Rashford to shoot. No defender is going to contest Bruno in that instance.

Even if you want to argue he doesn't impact the defenders, you cannot say the same for the keeper. Ederson is miles off his line because he's coming out to close down Rashford who is running on to the ball.
That’s not on Rashfords side. He doesn’t interrupt Walkers stride. That bad bit of defending is on Walker, not Rashford.
 
Walker could easily have run across Bruno and challenged him but he runs right past him towards the goal because he's expecting Rashford to shoot. No defender is going to contest Bruno in that instance.

Even if you want to argue he doesn't impact the defenders, you cannot say the same for the keeper. Ederson is miles off his line because he's coming out to close down Rashford who is running on to the ball.
I'm not saying it's cut and dry onside, but I can easily see how he's deemed not to interfere.
 
Referee got this wrong. Pretty much everyonw agrees.

I love attention when some things go our way. Always blown out of propotion. Always past footballers who have something to tweet just to stay relevant.

Have we seen same energy when we have been on other side of those decisions wich is 90% of times? Or have we seen for example same energy when Wolverhampton got their goal disalowed for nothing against Liverpool?
 
Thank god it's against City so everyone is on board with them getting robbed but please don't act like this goal is right in any shape or form :lol:
 
Keepers closing the ball down from where it’s struck. You know you’re wavering a bit with this point!

We can keep going so. The keeper clearly is expecting Rashford to hit it when he draws his leg back, not a single pundit and even 90% of this forum will agree with me on this.
 
That’s not on Rashfords side. He doesn’t interrupt Walkers stride. That bad bit of defending is on Walker, not Rashford.

Doesn't matter. It still makes him active and interfering with the play.

Having watched it again, I think it's quite clear that Akanji would clear it fairly easily if Rashford wasn't there too.
 
Fantastic decision by VAR and ref after a premature flag. Rules don't care about your feelings
 
We can keep going so. The keeper clearly is expecting Rashford to hit it when he draws his leg back, not a single pundit and even 90% of this forum will agree with me on this.
90 percent of this forum continues to cry about rules and offsides despite being wrong by the letter of the law time and time again.
Most of this forum wanted to let Rashford leave on a free last summer so don’t be telling me to listen to them!
 
Thank god it's against City so everyone is on board with them getting robbed but please don't act like this goal is right in any shape or form :lol:
Rules say otherwise so nobody cares about what people think is right. Blame the rule.
 
Don’t remember this amount of crying from people who don’t support either side when Liverpool robbed wolves the other week.
 
I just saw it again, the defender is nowhere near the ball behind Marcus. There is no interference, if you haven’t seen it go watch it again. The defender gives up running about 3 yards behind Marcus ffs

He gives up running because he sees Rashford is getting it 1st. Wasn't Rashford in the play, he'd try to intercept it on its way to Bruno. How is that not interfering? It totally changed the shape of the defensive intervention.
 
90 percent of this forum continues to cry about rules and offsides despite being wrong by the letter of the law time and time again.
Most of this forum wanted to let Rashford leave on a free last summer so don’t be telling me to listen to them!

:) You're enjoying this too much.
We'll see how Dermot Gallaghers mental gymnastics play out when he tries to explain it.
 
After being fecked over by the refs for disallowing legit goals for handball, I'll take one feck up in our favor.
Yep. No fecking body was complaining when Lisandro's unintentional handball was given in the Sociedad game and because of that we have to play Barcelona and 2 extra games.