I think 99/100 people would agree that’s a penalty.
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I think 99/100 people would agree that’s a penalty.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that that isn’t given by VAR. refs are waiting for VAR and VAR are doing feck all
I guess you could try to argue that it wasn't a strong enough push from Adeyemi to warrant the fall. Which - together with the good vision of the ref on the incident (=high intervention threshold) - may have kept VAR silent. But I think that's very favourable to Dortmund and if you're acting so blatantly as a defender, then you deserve to be punished.
Haven't seen it but the McTominay one is a good example. You can argue it's a penalty. You can argue it's not. VAR makes no difference. Should only be used for objective calls or for the referee to review something he didn't see.
You could yeah..... If you were a Dortmund fan.
Always happens, poor decision and then normally the following day the exact opposite gets called.
Sterling's tackle on Estupinan as well today 
Just a matter of time until someone snaps someone's leg in two with what they're allowing this season. Players clearly taking chances on bad tackles now that they're expecting to get away with it. Let's just hope it's not a Liverpool player so we get another ten days of mourning from the press.
Just a matter of time until someone snaps someone's leg in two with what they're allowing this season. Players clearly taking chances on bad tackles now that they're expecting to get away with it. Let's just hope it's not a Liverpool player so we get another ten days of mourning from the press.Kavannah is a dick
It’s ok, he kicked his head with the outside of the boot. High boots are never alright so he didn’t have a right to go for the ball
Kavannah has always been terrible everytime he ref our games
The booking he gave to Casemiro after what he'd let go from West Ham players
Edit: apparently never happened
Edit: apparently never happened
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Yep, obvious red card for dangerous play, which seeing as he was already on a yellow card, even a second yellow would have been a sending off. Awful decision, Kavanagh bottled that one. Of course we know what the decision would have been had it been the other way round and the great British sports media would have been all over it, like they were with Antony's heinous double spin last week.
fecking pathetic ref again. Should have been a straight red, but nor even a yellow.
How much have refs cost us.
How much have refs cost us.
This is how you want to react to a goal and this is why VAR is destroying football. The debate on VAR is mostly about the decisions themselves, but this is the real reason it should go into the bin. Puts a blanket over emotions and emotions are what being a football fan is about! Hate it!!!
The booking he gave to Casemiro after what he'd let go from West Ham players
Casemiro never got booked?
And to be fair he was fairly lucky not to be considering he committed 4 or 5 fouls.
Everybody is talking about VAR...but the standard of the on-field referees is what is shocking, it's the primary issue. The "throw-in" against Rice, the second yellow for the high boot, and the random booking of Casemiro, were on-field decisions with no possibility of VAR input.
The secondary issue is that VAR is being run by cowards who don't want to overturn anything, who also happen to be madmen dreaming up the worst possible handball rules and interpretations of all time.
The secondary issue is that VAR is being run by cowards who don't want to overturn anything, who also happen to be madmen dreaming up the worst possible handball rules and interpretations of all time.
Have I missed something? When did Casemiro get booked? I think I missed this!
Huh you're right, there was a non-foul/barely-a-foul midway through the second half where I thought the ref had booked him. Turns out Bruno got the only yellow.
Ha, thought I was going mad for a second.
I thought all 4 bookings in the game were fair... probably should have also booked (and sent off?) Scimacca for booting Martinez in the head though.
Ffs I thought he booked him for a fairly innocuous challenge.
Can't believe Scamacca wasn't sent off, even if it's not a direct red, it was clear yellow. Don't think there will be more obvious and clear yellow than that this season. He kicked Martinez's back of the head or neck and didn't even get yellow. Refs just make up things on the go. Pathetic.
Not sure VAR can dish out yellow cards?
I dont like VAR but isnt it either red or no red?
They can't, it was dangerous play. They could have asked ref to check the monitor.
Also my post was more on ref than VAR.
That was a straight red for me because it was the definition of reckless endangerment of an opponent. Since Scamacca was already on a yellow before that high boot incident, Kavanagh clearly shat the bed by not tossing him out on what was the most easily bookable offense.
Yeah even I thought it was straight red.
Didn't know he was on a yellow while the incident took place, but if that's the case then yes, they should ask him to at least check the monitor as that in itself (a yellow) would allow for a game-changing incident. Seemed quite ruthless and was between yellow and red for me. Not giving any in the case he was already on yellow, is bizarre from both VAR and ref.
This was a horror show from VAR, stonewall penalty and if they're not given them, makes you wonder what you'd have to do to get one.
Do you not see plenty of emotions in that video? And somehow people always seem to forget that this is a bit of a zero sum game, the joy isn't taken out of the game it's just distributed to the side that deserves it more, e.g. in this case Sporting fans, who surely must have been delighted not to get stuffed last minute by an offside goal.
Agree with you in some way.
For me it is all about incompetance. Those in VAR room and those on the pitch are making shocking displays week after week. Sometimes it feels that those who are refereeing have never watched football at all. And as fans, we have no transparency about decisions. We need mics and we need video on referees during games. We need to know how and why decisions are made. Because now, decisions are so bad.
He did react like that to the goal no? The fact that it was disallowed doesn't remove that reaction. You just get a free bonus emotion. Bit of anger and frustration. The opposition fans get to feel pissed off they conceded and then happy it was disallowed.
I don't understand the argument that people can't celebrate anymore because of VAR. They clearly do.
The issues with VAR are largely around implementation and fecking awful refs.
Am I alone in think that Diego Costa got a red card for that because, well, he's Diego Costa? I think other players might get away with that... but maybe it's just me.
It was a terrible refereeing performance all round, but the Martinez card was the worst decision you'll see in a long time. It was in truth very close to being a red the other way round.
Refs gives us absolutely nothing these days. We get the bad decisions but we also don’t get the toss up ones. It’s always you can see why it’s given /not given but we’re never on the right end of it.
When the ref blew I thought the Sociedad player was going to be booked. Couldn’t believe it when Martinez was given a yellow.
Zero chance City get charged with failing to control their players.
When you see City's pen today, it makes the Sancho one against Newcastle so much more frustrating. That's 2 more points if the referee or VAR does its job.
Probably no 2 decisions sum up how bad our refs and var officials are than the sancho penalty not given versus Newcastle, and de Bruynes today. Very very similar and in both cases you have the tech to make an informed, calm decision.
There is simply no reason why one is given and one isn't other than officials not being good enough - specifically mentally good enough.
Its not conspiracy or some pro city bias, but they get caught up in narrative as bad as the average fan - which var should make easy to rectify for 2 decisions that are so similar.
De Bruynes form and reputation, the minute of the penalty, perhaps sycophancy to guardiola all likely influenced the ref today. Fear of being called a ref scared of old Trafford after decades of such nonsense being levelled at refs, made it very easy to wave away sancho.
They need to be able to look at footage as if it was a school PE game and they just aren't mentally strong enough. The decisions made in these very very similar claims have led to a four point difference between United and City. That's just insane for sport at this level
There is simply no reason why one is given and one isn't other than officials not being good enough - specifically mentally good enough.
Its not conspiracy or some pro city bias, but they get caught up in narrative as bad as the average fan - which var should make easy to rectify for 2 decisions that are so similar.
De Bruynes form and reputation, the minute of the penalty, perhaps sycophancy to guardiola all likely influenced the ref today. Fear of being called a ref scared of old Trafford after decades of such nonsense being levelled at refs, made it very easy to wave away sancho.
They need to be able to look at footage as if it was a school PE game and they just aren't mentally strong enough. The decisions made in these very very similar claims have led to a four point difference between United and City. That's just insane for sport at this level
Haha, literally typing a long post about this