Yeah but Sancho jumped high or something.
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I wasn't watching the games today. Did VAR look at the KDB penalty?
Watching the replay, what's incredible is that Robinson does clip him on the right boot while his foot was slightly elevated, but its very obvious that this contact doesn't actually trip him up, because his first reaction is actually to just put the right boot solidly on the ground, but then he immediately collapses (lifting up his right boot so he can fall on his knees) after realizing that going down is best move. It is clear as day on the replay that he could easily have stayed on his feet.
Watching the replay, what's incredible is that Robinson does clip him on the right boot while his foot was slightly elevated, but its very obvious that this contact doesn't actually trip him up, because his first reaction is actually to just put the right boot solidly on the ground, but then he immediately collapses (lifting up his right boot so he can fall on his knees) after realizing that going down is best move. It is clear as day on the replay that he could easily have stayed on his feet.
City got the shitty end of the stick and the officials got booed off at half time.
2 chalked off goals plus a pen and red card given against us vs a 50/50 pen awarded to us equals bent refs and City buying the league?
Yeah right.
2 chalked off goals plus a pen and red card given against us vs a 50/50 pen awarded to us equals bent refs and City buying the league?
Yeah right.
50/50 pen? Give over. KDB dived and duped the ref and VAR bottled it.
City booed them off? They must've been bad then.
So this is your arguement that this was a penalty while the Sancho one wasnt? Didn't know refs should add to their tally of shit decisions to balance them out.
So this is your arguement that this was a penalty while the Sancho one wasnt? Didn't know refs should add to their tally of shit decisions to balance them out.
Everyone going on about the Sancho pen when Newcastle should have had one before that
It's subjective, it's not just city, when we played Brighton the other week we had a stone wall pen denied, it happens to every club
No idea about Sancho inciden. Not seen it. Just talking about today.
So this is your arguement that this was a penalty while the Sancho one wasnt? Didn't know refs should add to their tally of shit decisions to balance them out.
A few United supporting posters on here agreeing it was a pen. Looked like one from my seat.
Make them come out and explain. I say this every year.
I've given up on refs/var after the Boro handball in the FA cup game against us last season. I genuinely just don't give a feck anymore
No I agree I think it was a pen like I thought the Sancho one was a even clearer one, but because the ref was shit all day long against you he doesn't right his wrongs by giving you a penalty. That said I think the refereeing has been appalling this season and you have been a victim of that as much as anyone else.
Yeah, they should've, and we should've had two.
The point is the one on De Bruyne today is similar to the one on Sancho. That's why I bought it up.
Stop being so defensive.
That's the point. This was, and so was the Sancho one. Maybe soft, but so what. A foul is a foul.
You got the Villa decision which was a farce but today was more about the lack of consistent refereeing in the PL. It genuinely seems like refs are making it up for 50% of incidents.
Just seen MOTD and both absolutely correct by the way. Laughable you'd try to bring them up as a way to justify the decision you got.
Fulham's pen and your red card correct too.
The city penalty should of been overturned, absolutely minimal contact and a blatant dive.
But by far the biggest travesty of the day is the penalty given against notts forest though, that is truly shocking piece of officiating.
When you see blatant penalties not given like in our Newcastle game both the Sancho and Wilson one were stonewallers, then they give two penalties like they did yesterday as a football fan the level of inconsistency is infuriating.
Penalties in particular seems to be somewhere referees are really struggling with and in all honesty it is even more of a lottery with VAR involved than it was before.
They need to get all the refs, captains and managers together and review numerous of the controversial decisions and find some common ground for what should and shouldn't be given going forward. Because right now it is an absolute joke.
But by far the biggest travesty of the day is the penalty given against notts forest though, that is truly shocking piece of officiating.
When you see blatant penalties not given like in our Newcastle game both the Sancho and Wilson one were stonewallers, then they give two penalties like they did yesterday as a football fan the level of inconsistency is infuriating.
Penalties in particular seems to be somewhere referees are really struggling with and in all honesty it is even more of a lottery with VAR involved than it was before.
They need to get all the refs, captains and managers together and review numerous of the controversial decisions and find some common ground for what should and shouldn't be given going forward. Because right now it is an absolute joke.
I must be a bent VAR official also, because I thought the KDB incident was a pen and the Sancho one was not.
Can you elaborate on why you think that way?
I thought KDB was fouled, I don't think Sancho was.
That’s a bizarre take. One was ten times more of a foul than the other. Do you just have issues with Sancho?
They'll be media trained robots giving safe, cliched answers. I mean, what is the City ref going to say that will help the situation? "The defender rushed in, and I thought there was enough contact to give a penalty", "I can't comment on decisions made by referees in other games" etc.
If you are bad at your job, being asked to explain why you are bad won't improve your performance. It also might just have the opposite effect and cause refs to be ultra conservative and safe because they know they will have to explain everything on camera after the game.
What a strange question. Although that goes some way to explaining why so many seem to think there's some kind of conspiracy/agenda against United.
The city penalty, while similar to Sancho one, is not a penalty. He only tapped his foot. Nothing in it at all. Very surprised var didn’t get the ref to look at that.
For balance I also felt the sending off was wrong. I don’t think there was a big chance of Wilson scoring and the pen was enough.
For balance I also felt the sending off was wrong. I don’t think there was a big chance of Wilson scoring and the pen was enough.
I’ve no idea how anyone could look at both those incidents and feel that of the two, the Sancho one isn’t a foul. I could see someone thinking both are, I could see, but disagree, that neither are fouls.
The only way I could see a United fan thinking KDB’s was more of a pen is if there was some form of bias against something/someone involved.
The red card for Cancelo and Semedo are yellows on another day.
The funniest thing about the KDB penalty was how the commentators were gushing over how clever he was the way he "won" the penalty.
VAR was supposed to clear incidents like these up, but the whole thing seems to be showing officials up as being more and more incompetent every week.
Wow Forest were done pretty dirty yesterday by the refs and VAR. Totally get the issue around consistency. They were denied a pen that was certainly more a pen than the KDB one.
Or maybe 2 people can look at the same thing and see slightly different things, without there being a need for one to have some kind of agenda.
A lot of football is down to interpretation.
Cancello had to go once the pen was given, he didn't play the ball
KDB was soft but not a clear and obvious error, ref doesn't give it then var probably doesn't, these decisions happen ever week now
The issue for me now is the likes of the Brentford pen isn't a clear and obvious error and is subjective if it is actually a pen yet they reviewed that.
They just need to change the rules on VAR. The test should be whether the VAR official themselves would have given a goal, penalty etc. If so, have the on-field ref review the decision on screen. Remove the “clear and obvious” wording as it simply doesn’t work.
I think the Brentford penalty was very very soft, he's touched the ball away before the contact with the player which was minimal. Forrest could have had 2 or 3 going by those standards.
Also, I am not sure how the goal at the end is allowed when the Forrest player is offside and is clearly interfering with Mee trying to clear it off the line. If that's in front of a keeper it's going to be called.
There’s is a strange correlation in us winning loads of penalties in a short burst and then klopp moaning about it and what’s happened since.
Obviously cause I watch United most there’s gonna seem like more incidents than anyone else but there have been quite a lot of bizarre non decisions the last 2 years.
Whether the refs are consciously doing it mind you is another thing. A high profile manager singling us out surely has an effect on these refs who are influenced by crowds every week.
I’ve alluded to that in my post, perhaps you could give more context. I’ve just looked at your posts in the Sancho thread and your last post is simply...get rid
Yep, it’s the fall that makes the pen and we can all agree he threw himself to the ground. So then the argument is was he touched while throwing himself to the floor which is getting ridiculous. He was touched. He wasn’t impeded nor fouled
The reaction of Robinson possibly says different, he was caught, it's probably a free kick in the middle of the park, is there enough contact for a penalty, I dunno, but any player that's caught like that is going to go down
I think that’s the thing for me when I look at that one vs the Sancho one….KDB was touched, Sancho was impeded.
So what? It's possible to think Sancho hasn't got what it takes and to also think it wasn't a penalty you know. You seem to have already made your mind up that some agenda is in play though so I'll just say see you later and enjoy the game.
10 yards, yeah?
Even the villa players look further than 1010 yards, yeah?
A clear and obvious error, no?
To be fair to the ref, I think he knew he'd made a mistake and started to give us a few of the 50/50s after that.
To be fair to the ref, I think he knew he'd made a mistake and started to give us a few of the 50/50s after that.
10 yards, yeah?
Fecks sake, you could park a 747 between the ball and our wall.