VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

[Sandikan]

VAR said there wasn't enough evidence to overrule the goal. Except that camera angle that shows it missing his head by about three inches and hitting his arm. What a load of bollocks the whole thing is.

Yep. Then they wish out a little visual showing that only the top of the shoulder is allowed. Yet 3/4 of the ball is lower than that and very easy to see.

 

[SER19]

Nobody in the world will convince me that goal would stand at the other end. Just a very simple decision

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Because Man Utd were so poor in the 1st half, Newcastle's 2nd goal has been completely glossed over

 

[Pexbo]

Because Man Utd were so poor in the 1st half, Newcastle's 2nd goal has been completely glossed over

That’s the problem we have at the moment. Because we’re so bad and don’t deserve to win it’s impossible to speak out about the constant scandalous decisions because if we do it’s either going to be brushed off as sour grapes or ridiculed.

 

[Bon1803]

That’s the problem we have at the moment. Because we’re so bad and don’t deserve to win it’s impossible to speak out about the constant scandalous decisions because if we do it’s either going to be brushed off as sour grapes or ridiculed.

Shouldn’t have to speak out. VAR should disallow the goal. If you gain an advantage from your arm it’s handball for me. He gained the biggest advantage you can.

Joelintons celebration said it all, he was waiting for it to be ruled out. I just don’t understand how they come to the conclusions.

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[hellhunter]

Incredible

 

[MrMarcello]

Times it would be nice to have a fervent ownership/management to voice their disbelief. What I'd give for a Mark Cuban-type owner who'd not be worried about a fine for airing his grievances in public.

 

[Fr. Todd Unctious]

You have got to be fecking kidding me. Even that aside him being a Newcastle fan and reffing in UAE should disqualify him from refffing in the PL altogether.

United to get a 1st half red card nothing surer as this lad loves being the centre of attention

 

[Kaos]

Oliver will be the least of our problems. It's unlikely a dodgy decision will end up swinging the outcome on Sunday.

 

[red_de_pologne]

incredible, a pure spit in the face

 

[Mullet_Man]

Oliver will be the least of our problems. It's unlikely a dodgy decision will end up swinging the outcome on Sunday.

No but he won't be able to hide his smug face when he awards them a penalty or sends one of players off. He will want to make the game all about him in some way.

 

[Pexbo]

He’s not going to be stupid enough to give them big decisions. It will be all about the micromanagement. Yellow card for Ugarte in the 5th minute for his first foul. Blowing up straight away rather than playing advantage when we are counter attacking. Every single 50/50 going in Liverpool’s favour.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Jesus fecking Christ. They’re taking the piss with this.

 

[always_hoping]

Liverpool loving Michael Oliver to officiate Liverpool game on Sunday not like they needed any more advantages for that game.

 

[Sandikan]

The problem is they seem to rate him the "top" ref, so naturally pick the "top" ref for the biggest game. Even if one side are absolutely hopeless right now.

 

[Heinzesight]

So whilst we await an apology for the complete balls up of a decision for the second Newcastle goal, we have this arsehole reffing us on Sunday. A real shit sandwich.

 

[Sandikan]

So whilst we await an apology for the complete balls up of a decision for the second Newcastle goal, we have this arsehole reffing us on Sunday. A real shit sandwich.

Because our club so humbly allow these "brave" calls against us, there won't even be a second look.

The most we've heard is Carragher saying it was a 50-50, when it's very obviously gone in off a massive chunk of arm.

 

[Beachryan]

It's on Amorim and the club. Narrative shapes FA and PGMOL policy. It's a game Fergie, Klopp and Mourinho excelled at, and we've simply stopped in the past decade.

Were it me, I'd have Amorim's press conference tomorrow focus on the WHU decision, and how it was so bad it made the news even in Portugal, and how it's very strange to him how the PGMOL would reward that kind of mistake with the highest profile match in the country. And then bring up that when they heard, Dalot showed him the clip from last year and he found it even more bizarre, that such a referee could face no repercussions. Just asking questions.

Play the game. Staying silent gets us bad decisions each and every week.

 

[#07]

It's on Amorim and the club. Narrative shapes FA and PGMOL policy. It's a game Fergie, Klopp and Mourinho excelled at, and we've simply stopped in the past decade.

Were it me, I'd have Amorim's press conference tomorrow focus on the WHU decision, and how it was so bad it made the news even in Portugal, and how it's very strange to him how the PGMOL would reward that kind of mistake with the highest profile match in the country. And then bring up that when they heard, Dalot showed him the clip from last year and he found it even more bizarre, that such a referee could face no repercussions. Just asking questions.

Play the game. Staying silent gets us bad decisions each and every week.

100%.

 

[Sandikan]

It's on Amorim and the club. Narrative shapes FA and PGMOL policy. It's a game Fergie, Klopp and Mourinho excelled at, and we've simply stopped in the past decade.

Were it me, I'd have Amorim's press conference tomorrow focus on the WHU decision, and how it was so bad it made the news even in Portugal, and how it's very strange to him how the PGMOL would reward that kind of mistake with the highest profile match in the country. And then bring up that when they heard, Dalot showed him the clip from last year and he found it even more bizarre, that such a referee could face no repercussions. Just asking questions.

Play the game. Staying silent gets us bad decisions each and every week.

Agreed.
It's basic top level management.

We saw it with that season we had a lot of penalties, albeit all bar maybe one when Bruno stamped on someone else first that were legit pens.
But Klopp made a big thing in the press about it, and funnily enough - what needed to happen for us to get a pen absolutely went up tiers.

While all the Fergie controlled refs stuff was bitter nonsense form ABUs, they certainly knew they couldn't get away with "brave" decisions against us. That's long been blown out the way now.

 

[cj_sparky]

See in the Oliver thread, that Betts (linesman), Pawson (4th official)and Kavanagh (VAR) are on the game as well. Nice after two of them at least totally shafted us with the red for Bruno that was later rescinded against Spurs.

 

[NotChatGPT]

It's on Amorim and the club. Narrative shapes FA and PGMOL policy. It's a game Fergie, Klopp and Mourinho excelled at, and we've simply stopped in the past decade.

Were it me, I'd have Amorim's press conference tomorrow focus on the WHU decision, and how it was so bad it made the news even in Portugal, and how it's very strange to him how the PGMOL would reward that kind of mistake with the highest profile match in the country. And then bring up that when they heard, Dalot showed him the clip from last year and he found it even more bizarre, that such a referee could face no repercussions. Just asking questions.

Play the game. Staying silent gets us bad decisions each and every week.

Us doing that would pretty much be the equivalent of Nottingham Forests ref rant.

 

[acnumber9]

I like this new, Joelinton can use his hands, rule that they’ve implemented this week.

 

[Statue of Limitations]

That handball decision is exactly why VAR is so frustrating. There would have been no complaints if it was disallowed.

I thought the Rule was if an attacking player's hand is hit and it gives an advantage, it's handball.

Have definitely seen goals ruled out for less, and it's that word,consistency, that is again the issue for me.

 

[Berbaclass]

That handball decision is exactly why VAR is so frustrating. There would have been no complaints if it was disallowed.

I thought the Rule was if an attacking player's hand is hit and it gives an advantage, it's handball.

Have definitely seen goals ruled out for less, and it's that word,consistency, that is again the issue for me.

In the Premier League, the rule for accidental handball in the build-up to a goal is that if a player accidentally touches the ball and a teammate scores, the goal is allowed. However, if the player who accidentally touches the ball scores themselves, the goal is not allowed.

 

[Posh Red]

The appalling refereeing standards on full display in the Spurs game currently.

 

[Berbaclass]

There was a game last month where a similar thing occurred. The first goal in this game, hit the hand of Sarr accidentally and Chalobah turned it in. VAR checked it and rightly allowed it

 

[Withnail]

That handball decision is exactly why VAR is so frustrating. There would have been no complaints if it was disallowed.

I thought the Rule was if an attacking player's hand is hit and it gives an advantage, it's handball.

Have definitely seen goals ruled out for less, and it's that word,consistency, that is again the issue for me.

I didn't see the goal but the rule is if you accidently handle it and pass it to someone who does, it's not handball.

If the goal scorer handles it, accidently out not, the goal shouldn't stand.

EDIT: I see it's been covered already.

 

[Berbaclass]

I didn't see the goal but the rule is if you accidently handle it and pass it to someone who does, it's not handball.

If the goal scorer handles it, accidently out not, the goal shouldn't stand.

Yeah people just don't understand the rules, commentators included which is shocking...

 

[Withnail]

Yeah people just don't understand the rules, commentators included which is shocking...

It's always been like that and it wrecks my head. It's literally your job. Learn the feckin rules lads.

 

[Chipper]

I didn't see the goal but the rule is if you accidently handle it and pass it to someone who does, it's not handball.

If the goal scorer handles it, accidently out not, the goal shouldn't stand.

EDIT: I see it's been covered already.

It wasn't even as closely connected as that. Accidentally handled by Joelinton and then Bruno Guimaraes passes it to Gordon who scores.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

In the Premier League, the rule for accidental handball in the build-up to a goal is that if a player accidentally touches the ball and a teammate scores, the goal is allowed. However, if the player who accidentally touches the ball scores themselves, the goal is not allowed.

It's a rule that is up there with the one where the linesman doesn't raise his flag when it's clear that the attacking player is well offside.

Like that rule which isn't used consistently, I'll bet we'll see alot of refs blowing for a handball like the Joelinton one this season as well.

 

[Berbaclass]

It's a rule that is up there with the one where the linesman doesn't raise his flag when it's clear that the attacking player is well offside.

Like that rule which isn't used consistently, I'll bet we'll see alot of refs blowing for a handball like the Joelinton one this season as well.

Thats because 'clear' is still pretty subjective.

 

[FortunaUtd]

So whilst we await an apology for the complete balls up of a decision for the second Newcastle goal, we have this arsehole reffing us on Sunday. A real shit sandwich.

I realize everyone has been repeating how it was a clear handball, but can anyone actually point me to a replay where it shows that?
So far what I've seen it came off his shoulder, no angle I've seen suggests there's anything wrong with the goal. I only saw the in game replay though, no idea if other angles exist.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Thats because 'clear' is still pretty subjective.

I know, it just the inconsistency that annoys you more than the rules.

The only 2 things from VAR that aren't subjective are offsides, and goal line technology.

I'd have just left the rest as it was,.

 

[Berbaclass]

I know, it just the inconsistency that annoys you more than the rules.

The only 2 things from VAR that aren't subjective are offsides, and goal line technology.

I'd have just left the rest as it was,.

It should be much better when the semi-auto offsides come in.

 

[FortunaUtd]

He’s not going to be stupid enough to give them big decisions. It will be all about the micromanagement. Yellow card for Ugarte in the 5th minute for his first foul. Blowing up straight away rather than playing advantage when we are counter attacking. Every single 50/50 going in Liverpool’s favour.

I'm confused now, is Oliver in Liverpool's pockets or in City's? I thought the latter.
Or isn't he rather a referee that is as pompous-acting as he is poor?

 

[SER19]

so newcastle can just score with their hands now, or in build up? add that to their ridiculous goal against arsenal last season and it seems a memo has been sent that joelinton can do anything he likes

 

[rimaldo]

That handball decision is exactly why VAR is so frustrating. There would have been no complaints if it was disallowed.

I thought the Rule was if an attacking player's hand is hit and it gives an advantage, it's handball.

Have definitely seen goals ruled out for less, and it's that word,consistency, that is again the issue for me.

the handball rule is shit, made by idiots who have never played a game of football in their lives. it’s clearly handball. you’d have var okaying henry’s famous handball against ireland.