I think Harry was offside but as I said earlier he was being fouled before he committed the offside offence so it should really have been a penalty.
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I think Harry was offside but as I said earlier he was being fouled before he committed the offside offence so it should really have been a penalty.
My point is that VAR is ruining football by taking the enjoyment out of watching live games so for me it can't stay in its current guise. Therefore the options would be to scrap it and get the excitement back into live matches whilst accepting that the refs who have always been shit are still shit, or get said incompetent refs and the people above them who have been continually fecking things up since the start to fix it. I have zero confidence that the latter is possible let alone a realistic expectation so my vote would be for the former.
Yes I know they are and can you imagine how bad the game will be and how many stoppages there will be when they start implementing those too! And if they never implement them then they’re just picking and choosing what makes the game fair. So your point of it correcting wrong or bad decisions, especially those that affect the outcome of a game are untrue.
Wouldn't work like that unfortunately. if he's in an offside position and is fouled it can't be a penalty.
I completely disagree, any progress comes with some pain until its right, staying in the dark ages just because we haven't mastered writing straight away, rather than knuckling down and getting it right.
It isn't untrue at all, and all you're doing is using the current poor implementation to besmirch a future implementation, which could and should be heavily automated, much quicker, and remove the poor decision makers.
Fine, I just don’t think it’s at all realistic it will ever get to that point and in the meantime a lot of people are slowly losing interest in the game including myself.
You’re ignoring what I’m saying then. Unless you think every decision on the field that can affect the outcome of a game is going to be automated, even the subjective ones. Good luck with that.
So Harry who was in front of him couldn't reach it, but of course he could
Yes it can, its not an offence to be in an offside position so if the foul occurs before he actually commits an offside offense the foul is punished as that offence occurred first.
I'm not ignoring what you're saying, you're making a point with an obvious fallacy.
Just because we can't fix every decision, doesn't mean we shouldn't fix the obvious ones that can be fixed.
So Harry who was in front of him couldn't reach it, but of course he could
They bump into each other for one, for two Maguire makes an attempt on the ball which gives the referee a good reason to say he's playing the ball and therefore interfering, it's a twofer really.
What obvious ones
They probably used every angle to find Scott's hand there and failed
I’d genuinely rather we didn’t bother and we could actually react to the game as it happens like we used to.
I understand that in fairness, I definitely agree the current implementation isn't very good, but giving up now solidifies what is effectively a fiefdom of terrible officials more interested in their own power rather than getting things right.
Obvious offsides for starters that would regularly get missed, I'd be OK if we just automated offsides and the ball going over the line, but dropping it altogether is ceding power to a bunch of incompetent officials who are more interested in their own power rather than correct decisions.
How many times in this match did you hear the commentator say, “VAR is checking that” when the ball went into the United box.
Oh! You are sooo wrong! Football is becoming less and less interesting to watch thanks to VAR. These are the dark ages in many ways. Football has peaked and is in a sharp decline!
If the VAR official thinks in his subjective opinion it might be offside, how the feck is that a clear and obvious error?
Offsides are objective, you're either off or you're on. Unless the keepers line of sight was blocked I don't see how VAR intervened here.
Offsides are objective, you're either off or you're on. Unless the keepers line of sight was blocked I don't see how VAR intervened here.
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Another week, another great referee performance against us. Shocking. I'm not even happy about our win. This is big, big problem we have to deal with. A problem that will keep going until club goes out with official statement that enough is enough. Next time, take out every player and don't go back on the pitch unless referees stops their agenda against us.
The question is who is deciding this? Who is pushing this agenda? Are we talking about referees and VAR or is this higher up? I don't think people buy anymore about incompetence stuff. It is one thing having some strange decision one or two games. But we are having this far more than what is acceptable.
The question is who is deciding this? Who is pushing this agenda? Are we talking about referees and VAR or is this higher up? I don't think people buy anymore about incompetence stuff. It is one thing having some strange decision one or two games. But we are having this far more than what is acceptable.
If I were a betting man I'd wager we'll not see this particular interpretation of the offside and VAR rules employed again this season.
Yes, it's now been proven it can't be implemented to the benefit of the game.
This.
Just like the City penalty last weekend. Type of stuff you see in boxes every matchday and 9/10 it's never given
Yep!
You won't see another instance of this or last week's penalty decision again this season.
Off-side decisions don't fall under clear and obvious, though do they? All goals are checked for off-side, I believe.
Although, if it's a 'subjective' one then maybe it should.
Feels like with every goal or penalty for United, the VAR is using a fine toothed comb for reasons NOT to give it rather than looking at valid reasons to give
The goal was very similar to a Liverpool last season but it was allowed.
ETH should be calling this out.
ETH should be calling this out.
It isn't in a decline though is it, viewing figures, interest, engagement etc are all higher than ever.
VAR is in its infancy, giving up straight away would mean accepting the awful officiating we've had for years, would remove the only threat to the power of referees that revel in their monopoly of power over the game.
So Maguire was offside when Eriksen played the ball yes?
But once Garnacho gets the ball to cross doesn't that start a second phase of play?
So how was Maguie offside?
But once Garnacho gets the ball to cross doesn't that start a second phase of play?
So how was Maguie offside?
If it took 4 minutes to make a decision how can it be a clear and obvious mistake?
For offsides there should be a 30 second countdown. If they cannot make a decision regarding the offside it should favour the attacker or go with the onfield decision. I don’t want goals being called offside because of a toe. There is no advantage to the attacker.
Premier League refs are determined to chalk off every goal, and particularly for United at present. I believe that’s 6 goals they have taken off us so far this season. It’s a joke and should be called out by Ten Hag, exactly like Klopp and Pep would. Media pressure on referees clearly works.
For offsides there should be a 30 second countdown. If they cannot make a decision regarding the offside it should favour the attacker or go with the onfield decision. I don’t want goals being called offside because of a toe. There is no advantage to the attacker.
Premier League refs are determined to chalk off every goal, and particularly for United at present. I believe that’s 6 goals they have taken off us so far this season. It’s a joke and should be called out by Ten Hag, exactly like Klopp and Pep would. Media pressure on referees clearly works.
One of the most baffling decisions I have seen. Still can't believe that was ruled out because of some made up term, "subjective offside". Joke.
Last weekend my thought was that if they applied that rule to giving penalties then we will be seeing loads of penalties every week because it bapppens on every set piece. Today my thought process is that if they apply this sort of rule to offside then they should be ruling out every single goal where the offside player is anywhere in the vicinity of the ball.
I have watched the sport for over 20 years now and every week I feel now that I am learning a new rule. Having to wait ages for people to look at 50 angles & slow motions on every goal is taking all the joy out of watching football. Just pathetic
I have watched the sport for over 20 years now and every week I feel now that I am learning a new rule. Having to wait ages for people to look at 50 angles & slow motions on every goal is taking all the joy out of watching football. Just pathetic
The thing is that once you start down the road of Var you can probably find reasons to disallow more and more goals, or give a penalty for multiple things every game, but this is not how it was sold, it was the clear and obvious mistakes, not .5MM offside by a nostril hair or the inconsequential touch penalty, or the ball blasted at a defender from close distance on to their arm. Technically these decisions might be correct and logically hard to refute but the impact on the nature of the sport is high, just takes a lot of the fun and spontaneity away and has us all bitching about the semantics of decisions.
Pre VAR, no-one thinks twice about Maguires involvement in that goal. How does football walk it back without causing greater issues?
Pre VAR, no-one thinks twice about Maguires involvement in that goal. How does football walk it back without causing greater issues?
Generally you don't bump into someone you're running away from in the same direction, they need to catch you and instigate contact. You agree with the decision, that's good for you. I don't as it just wasn't right, over 3 minutes to find a obvious error.
This is out of fecking control. It's killing the game.
Maguire clearly impacted the defender that otherwise would have had a strong possibility of winning the ball before it got to Garnacho.
We've been screwed by the refs and VAR a shitload over the last 12 months or so, but this isn't one of them. The only question I have about it was why it took the referees so long to decide.
Absolutely 100% agree. I am a huge NFL fan and in the past when people discussed NFL vs football the answer was always that football was a fast paced sport with no stoppages. Now we are waiting ages after every incident to decide what’s going on. The fast paced nature of the sport is being ruined completely. Next step would be ad breaks while VAR looks at things
Needs to be more in the moment and clear;
- Offside (of scoring/immediate assisting player)
- Obvious missed penalties by officials (that viewpoint meant they missed)
- Obvious red card tackles (that viewpoint meant they missed)
But if it’s minor, subjective, ages earlier in a move OR on field officials saw it, let it go… for all sides. If it’s subjective offside, then that’s an opinion, that’s not clear and obvious.
The inconsistency isn’t helping (us especially)… Ten Hag needs to list this stuff in PCs. We had enough shit decisions last year but we’ve had more in three months this season.