good news it’s quite easy now. Just assume any VAR review will go against United and you know the outcome before they do on the pitch.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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No, he has to impact the defenders ability to play the ball. Which is where it becomes subjective. If the ball is too high, he hasn’t impacted the defender. You’re not very good at this.
Thank you
the defender doesn't get the ball anyway.It’s amazing where we might be had we been given some decisions this season. We’ve been utterly shite but there’s a couple of wins left out there because of the way VAR has gone for us.
O well. Let's agree to disagree.
I doubt many people outside of this forum would agree with your view though.
Hopefully we get another goal anyway.
It says:
- interfering with an opponent by:
- preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
They both run and the defender basically decides to foul Maguire. Maguire does nothing to him.
Now that We know This is beyond football. And everybody should know this by now. Question is where and who are taking decisions that are going against us.
That’s a genuinely tough one for the refs, I think. It’s right in the grey zone, however clearly crafted the offside rules are.
Anyway lets do a sweepstake, what min do we concede a pen? Im going late, 78th minute.
- interfering with an opponent by:
- preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
Why was there only 5 mins added time? Thought they track all stoppages now…it’s honestly just make it up every week
Maguire offside and clearly interfering with play, only complaint that it’s too often ignored for other goals.
I think it can be easily argued he's violates several of them. Let's see what they say at halftime.
You mean fans of other teams won’t think United should get a decision? Who gives a shit? It’s a case of whether the rules were applied correctly. You’ve acted high and mighty but you don’t understand the rules.
Except none of them can be applied because the defender chooses to engage Maguire, not the other way around
Oh well. I guess different onions are what make the world go around eh ?
I'm just lucky my opinion seems the be the general consensus.
Have good second half buddy.
That was never offside. fecking VAR.
Look at any replay long enough and you will find a still frame to disallow a goal.
Thank you VAR for making the beautiful game even better
All I want to know is why doesn't MotD have a VAR of the week award, and UEFA really need to introduce some award to celebrate the great work VAR are doing.
Thank you VAR for making the beautiful game even better
All I want to know is why doesn't MotD have a VAR of the week award, and UEFA really need to introduce some award to celebrate the great work VAR are doing.
Totally disagree, VAR as a concept is great, it means that objectively bad or incorrect decisions are a thing of the past, same with non-decisions.
The issue is with how badly it's been implemented, sometimes interfering, sometimes not, and the people running it making the rules overly convoluted.
The more it can be automated (like offsides in Europe which was resisted by the folks running it over here, as it might take a little power away from them) the better it'll be though, I'm sure we can agree on that.
This is why I said it all comes down to whether that defending player was ever getting to the ball if Maguire wasn't there. You said that doesn't matter but it clearly does.
Why have we imported this incompetent ref from the Australian league when we have our own incompetent refs in the lower leagues waiting for their chance?
Another farcical decision involving VAR. No matter if Maguire affected play or not, is this what football now has become? An 8 minutes review for a goal… So sick and tired of VAR. get rid now!!!!!
Its a horrible decision, he is offside but does actually interfere? Basically the VAR and ref have deemed that Maguire has affected the opponents ability to play the ball. That his highly debatable. I'm not to convinced by that at all.
Again id love to hear the audio for this live
That's the rule though, clearly.
We should be demanding the audio of this to be released. We won't though. Manager is weak and just accepts it.
Maybe I should see it one more time but seemed like no part of Maguire was off.
Their man wasn't clearing that ball whether Maguire was there or not.
I've only ever seen this sort of goal disallowed where someone is blocking the keeper's vision or jumps in front of him late on.
That was a nonsense, but when you're down on your luck everything goes against you.
Oh but the Onana Wolves incident...
that doesn't make up for this, the City light touch pen, the Romero handball v Tott, the was it offside v Arsenal, the Evans being obstructed v Arsenal, and no doubt a few others I've forgotten.
I've only ever seen this sort of goal disallowed where someone is blocking the keeper's vision or jumps in front of him late on.
That was a nonsense, but when you're down on your luck everything goes against you.
Oh but the Onana Wolves incident...
that doesn't make up for this, the City light touch pen, the Romero handball v Tott, the was it offside v Arsenal, the Evans being obstructed v Arsenal, and no doubt a few others I've forgotten.
Maguire interfered with an opponent and went for the ball while in an offside position. That's the rule. It's clear as day. Not going to argue about something so obvious anymore.
He's very close with Maguire being there, without him he only needs to be a tiny bit faster.
Even if you think it’s offside and the goal should be disallowed, you won’t see that decision again this season…unless it’s United. They are dying to deny us anything. cnuts.
City pen was so over the top. Think of when a defender slides into a challenge and they say the reaction of the offensive player is not justified by the contact. Can you tell me that Rodri was held so strongly his legs gave out and his arms went flying…did the contact match the reaction?
The whole subjective offside thing is just means it's United let cancel it!! No consistency or anything else. Well Palinha should have been booked for the foul and wasnt, ref is just biased today
This, like Hojlund last week, absolutely desperate.
It's obviously not clear as day since they're calling it a "subjective offside". I'm happy to argue and flesh out my point but ok, run away.
"making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball"
Says nothing about getting there, just impacting his ability to do so.
There's no point in saying "read the rules" because what's at issue here won't be laid out in the rules.
It's about what referees are taught, through a battery of guidance and training, actually constitutes clearly impacting an opponent's ability to play the ball and what doesn't.
The problem then being that because we the fans don't have that training and guidance, there's a lack of transparency. We're left just having to take their word that Maguire did enough to fall foul of whatever combination of factors and circumstances they've decided constitutes "impacting an opponent's ability to play the ball".
It's about what referees are taught, through a battery of guidance and training, actually constitutes clearly impacting an opponent's ability to play the ball and what doesn't.
The problem then being that because we the fans don't have that training and guidance, there's a lack of transparency. We're left just having to take their word that Maguire did enough to fall foul of whatever combination of factors and circumstances they've decided constitutes "impacting an opponent's ability to play the ball".
It was the way he managed to swing his body round, go over hard, and still look at the ref in one motion.
Bet they practice it in training.
but it doesn’t. All this talk of it making the game right is nonsense.
doesn’t check second yellows that would lead to a red.
doesn’t check clear fouls if they are not in the box
doesn’t check if a corner is given that should have been a goal kick which leads to a goal
doesn’t check or stop a goal if someone was offside but then a corner was given instead because a goal wasn’t scored or attack continues, like the poster mentioned about feyenoord game the other day.
but someone maybe 1mm offside when they haven’t even got the right technology to perfectly call that, oh they’re all over that. The whole thing is nonsense.
And the worst part of all of it. It’s ruined the emotion and celebrations of goals for fans. It’s shit
The rule is the attacker has to impact the defender, the defender just can't choose to be impacted.
By this logic, anytime an attacker is offside, a defender should just run into them and claim offside. It would be absolutely ridiculous.