Isn't clear and obvious only a PL edict anyway? So don't think that even applies here.
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Isn't clear and obvious only a PL edict anyway? So don't think that even applies here.
My blood is boiling thinking about them getting away with it. It’s a disgrace.
Just nothing happens, and if you complain or mention it, you are sanctioned.
I am not sure what the right word is, but it is inhumane. To do wrong and then wrong anyone or anything that tries to hold you accountable and making sure that you can't be held accountable. Just completely insane.
There isn't people on here will say the reason that VAR doesn't work is because it's English refs viewing the VAR. Tonight it wasn't English refs. We don't need to slow the game down just to have people sitting in a studio making egregious decisions rather than the ref on the pitch making them. Until there is a time that AI can make calls that are 99% accurate without human interference they need to scrap this shite.
VAR isn't perfect but very much necessary.
Any game you watch without VAR is just crap, the amount of mistakes and injustice is staggering. It is annoying in days like this sure, but it drastically lowers the amount of errors made.
Any game you watch without VAR is just crap, the amount of mistakes and injustice is staggering. It is annoying in days like this sure, but it drastically lowers the amount of errors made.
I don't agree.
The whole “clear and obvious” thing is there to protect the referees, not to ensure the call is made correctly. The whole thing feels like a ridiculous half-measure that only serves to create as much controversy as it solves.
I can imagine if you are a match-going fan, because you see less footage and VAR-checks are quite disrupting.
But if you want games full of offside goals, handballs getting missed or playing using their hands leading up to scoring, missed red cards. That's your own I guess.
I really feel that the whole system need shelving going back to the drawing board and coming up with something that is actually accurate. What did we have 4/5 decision in a week in a week that effected English clubs that were obviously wrong. Again not all of them were officiated over by English ref so you can't just blame that. It's just not fit for purpose.
The clear and obvious is not there all the time. Arsenals disallowed goal against us. I think Eriksen was fouled enough to give him a free kick. But the ref was just a few metres away and had perfect view of the situation and chose to not blow his whistle. Yet he changed his mind when he saw the replay. I doubt he could have seen anything new there, he was just a coward in the first place.
Absolutely not, watch football played all the time without VAR and it's a blast. That said the rules regarding this non handball are absolutely clear this is just another ref doing what ever the feck he wants.
Offside could be done by AI the same way that goal line technology is done but the refs wont give up control. This is half of the problem with VAR.
Talking about handballs what about tonight? VAR doesn't have a good record with handball.
And that ref doing whatever he wants is VAR. Until we take the human element out it should be scraped.
Fair enough, I hate matches without VAR. Most of the significant errors could be reduced. Wasn't it in one of the first seasons of the VAR where they had to bring VAR in the knockouts of either the EL or another club competition? Group stage was just ridiculous without it.
This was a shocking call though, VAR or no VAR. Having VAR makes it a bit worse.
Absolutely, it just boggles the mind really.
No VAR has a better record with handballs?
Up until now that technology is not in use in football, no idea if it is on its way. But the amount of VAR overturns or checks every match for me are proof of its current necessity, though improvement could and should be made.
The errors that are still being made are very annoying but in no way compare to the magnitude of shockers being made without the technology.
Offside is already being done automatically in the CL and the coming WC. It should be adopted in the PL next season.
Refs aren't held accountable, never have to explain their decisions, UEFA never comments. It's all just so archaic
I knew the technology was there and I knew that we hadn't taken it up in the EPL but I didn't realise that EUFA had. The rest of it, until AI can officiate on it I'd forget about it.
Is VAR used completely differently in other leagues? That decision tonight was shocking.
There have been 4 or 5 shocking in less than a week.
I remeber when Micah Richards in the semi of the League Cup had a similar decision go against him (pre var) v 'Pool and it was a shocking decision then and tonight's was an absolute shocker
Keep VAR, referees keep making mistakes, we keep criticising VAR and calling for referees' heads.
Get rid of VAR, referees keep making mistakes, we'll want VAR back and we'll be calling for referees' heads.
The solution is obviously to finally give us the referees' heads like we've always wanted.
Get rid of VAR, referees keep making mistakes, we'll want VAR back and we'll be calling for referees' heads.
The solution is obviously to finally give us the referees' heads like we've always wanted.
It was obvious to evryone pre-VAR that you shouldn't rely on the ref's. VAR should have solved that but it hasn't, maybe it's reduced the number of mistakes but not by much. Annoying as it is, the sad truth is that, in most games, if you're talking about the ref you're team hasn't been good enough.
They should broadcast on the field screens as to what the official is thinking and the communication between them and the onfield referee. Happens in cricket so why cant in football?
Majority of referee mistakes worthy of true debate have a directly negative impact on a team, which inhibits them to getting a result. What happens after that decision influences the match.
If Arsenal's disallowed goal by Martinelli stood, the game is totally different. United could have comeback and gotten a result, but it still doesn't hide the fact that there was a highly controversial decision that should be examined.
Real Sociedad were as equally as threatening as United were prior to the handball decision. It was unlikely either team was going to score an open play goal, it wasn't a good performance by either team and a draw was more than fair.
But the goal changed the dynamic of the game, as all first goals do.
The referee and VAR made a massive mistake tonight and it had harsh consequences.
We need a VAR for the VAR
I'm not saying it's right but we must deal with reality. Sociedad weren't anything special and we've only got ourselves to blame that a stupid decision has cost us the game.
Absolutely. I don't like an isolated incident like that distracting us from what was a poor performance. Also, poor form against Spanish teams or not, we beat them 4:0 at their place last time.
I understand where you are coming from, but this is the VAR thread and VAR discussion is to be had here, not performance discussion.
Really shocking decision that the penalty decision stood last night. So much money and hassle to implement a system that officials can't (or maybe won't in some cases) use properly.
So football for 120 years was crap? Have you only just started watching football? I pity you for missing so much thrilling football over the years.
A little frustrating we always get done over by the officials at Old Trafford these days. This one, and the Middlesbrough hand ball goal, stand out as two of the most ridiculous decisions in recent times.
That ref all night looked like one of those typical European refs who basically wanted to come across as authoritative & my way or the highway types but it would really be nice to know what did the VAR ref see & decide based on
has there been any explanation offered by pundits/ ex-ref/ whoever on why it was given? I mean- i swear i was sure the rules says that if the ball bounces of a leg/chest/head and hits the arm it's not a peno
This is what people wanted though right? VAR to not interfere? It was a soft penalty
That West Ham penalty was a shocking decision as well.
I don't buy that because it assumes your arms can be hidden away at all times. And the spirit of that clarification in the rules was to stop the John Terry style star jumps, like the one below.
Referees are still out of step with how everybody else in the game wants to see the handball rule managed.
Imagine it was given because Martinez because a "positive action" towards the ball and therefore becomes responsible for it hitting his arm.
I don't buy that because it assumes your arms can be hidden away at all times. And the spirit of that clarification in the rules was to stop the John Terry style star jumps, like the one below.
Referees are still out of step with how everybody else in the game wants to see the handball rule managed.
Have they apologised to us yet? Because we're owed an apology for that shambolic decision and use of VAR.
I'm dreading the day United get a goal disallowed in the last minute through VAR...