If it takes nearly 5 minutes to make a decission, it is not a clear and obvious error.
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Why did that take so long to put the lines on when you could see immediately it was offside?
Something to be said for that.
In its current form it's wank, you'll never erase human error which is what you will get everytime there's a review. I preferred how things were before because currently too many decisions get given after slowing things down and making them look worse than they did in real time.
VAR has ruined the game for me almost entirely.
Thank you good sir.
There should be organised protests against VAR otherwise things won't change.
Or the limited number of challenges for each team from NFL.
I was never in favour of VAR and at this stage I'm honestly just sick of it, why bring something in that makes the game less exciting and enjoyable? In a sport like cricket it gave the bowlers more of a chance and disincentivised batters not playing shots, particularly against spin with there being a greater possibility of getting an LBW decision, but in football it's main purpose seems to be finding ways of denying goals or giving bullshit, contrived penalties which feel unsatisfactory.
The officiating in general this week has been dire but that offside call was obviously correct.
VAR should only interfere when it is a big mistake by the ref.
Whether that Brighton player was offside or not had no material impact on the play. The Leicester player was always going to have to clear, regardless. The Brighton player didn't even touch the ball, anyway, so it didn't change the outcome.
It has made the game way too finicky.
Whether that Brighton player was offside or not had no material impact on the play. The Leicester player was always going to have to clear, regardless. The Brighton player didn't even touch the ball, anyway, so it didn't change the outcome.
It has made the game way too finicky.
4.5 minutes to get to that decision is unforgivable. Each team getting a challenge is a better experience for the fans too.
Why wouldn’t Leicester challenge that if that was the process? It’s Leicester who would have been mugged off there don’t forget
So why was Diaz not given offside when a defender scored an own goal trying to deny him a tap in at the far post? Think that was Brighton getting screwed in that one too.
The time it took is the problem, especially given it was a straightforward call.
But a challenge system would hardly have helped given Leciester would have just made that challenge. You would have had the same deliberation, just presumably longer as it would have taken Leicester a few moments to decide to challenge it.
Brighton goal was offside he was very clearly interfering with play.
I think the check was because it’s a subjective call on interfering not whether he was actually offside.
Got that one correct
I think the check was because it’s a subjective call on interfering not whether he was actually offside.
Got that one correct
Not one person associated with Leicester had any issue until VAR looked at it
It works if they're using it for clear and obvious errors or when the ref doesn't see something, when it's a 50/50 call and they're looking at replays for 3 or 4 minutes it's not an obvious error so just stick with the refs decision.
The problem is sometimes it seems like they're trying to micro-manage the game and look for any little reason to overturn things
Was it was one of goals in the 9-0 against Bournemouth maybe?
I think the difference is what they do/don't count as an offside player being involved in play. Trying to play the ball like this Brighton player did counts. Standing in an offside position which then prompts an opponent to play the ball to his own disadvantage doesn't.
God knows these rules are stupid but unlike yesterday's cock-ups I don't think you can really blame the officials in this case.
Yeah. 6th goal (I think?) vs Bournemouth. Diaz was absolutely trying to play the ball. He was literally sliding across the ground to try and reach it.
But if they had to look wouldnt they see it? Why wouldn’t they check a goal just in case? Plus isn’t that a pro of VAR? To spot things that others don’t see?
I don't think there is any going back now though is there? Do away with it and then you will get an ungodly amount of crying about incorrect decisions. Really they should have focused on ways to improve on pitch reffing, experimented with expanded crews, bring in miminal tech for things like goal line decisions but try to find human solutions for the main issues. Can't imagine many wanted VAR for these offside decisions, if it is so close that it takes 5 mins of line drawing to show a toenail offside it is on to me.
So taking away the human element is ok? I bet you could find some kind of foul somewhere on the pitch in any given 5 min period which in turn would overturn more goals. What’s strange is the better the technology gets the worse this thing is going to get.
But it’s not a foul, it’s an offside and the correct decision today. A goal can’t be too good to be above the laws of the game.
What’s worse is going back to no technology when we know how bad they are when they 100 percent see it from every angle. We can then pretend it evens itself out over a season or a top team deserves that bit of luck when an official bottles it?
Seeing every angle isn’t taking away the human element, it’s improving the human element with their judgements.
Can't really remember the goal but if he was attempting to play the ball as per whatever idea of that phrase they have then christ knows really. Would be nice if they had to actually explain their logic.
Tbf they're introducing new offside tech that's supposed to do away with the line-drawing and speed things up, so that shouldn't be a long term issue anyway.
It's feck ups like the disallowed goal against Chelsea that are the real problem. The tech they use will naturally keep getting better, their awful decision making not so much.
ie: this goal by Arsenal probably has a small foul in the lead up. I’m sure there is like on every goal. It’s all subjective
It’s either a foul or it’s not. That’s a clear foul.
VAR isn't the problem, it's the people implementing it...
VAR is literally just video, giving the ref time to make the right decision, it should be foolproof, but look...the refs are fools!
What I don't get is that sometimes they actively look for any tiny evemt to rule the goal out, I still remember Maguire scoring against Burnley and the refs went back about 5 minutes to see potential foul - if it isn't an obvious error, goal stands, it's really that simple.
VAR is literally just video, giving the ref time to make the right decision, it should be foolproof, but look...the refs are fools!
What I don't get is that sometimes they actively look for any tiny evemt to rule the goal out, I still remember Maguire scoring against Burnley and the refs went back about 5 minutes to see potential foul - if it isn't an obvious error, goal stands, it's really that simple.
That’s a free kick all day long. He bundles the player over from behind and never touched the ball.
It’s shocking that took so long
It’s shocking that took so long
I love var
Best thing ever to happen in football is VAR.
VAR4LYF
Meh, fair enough i guess. Could have gone both ways.
I mean considering what happened all over the weekend, one can dream
FFS, there's nothing in that and the ref had a good view of it first time around. Could it be a foul, maybe yes, maybe no. VAR shouldn't be involved. Just undermining the referee.
The referee should tell VAR to do one in this situation.
The referee should tell VAR to do one in this situation.
Eh, the first angle they showed looked a clear foul, but from the other angles it looks like eriksen throws himself down. Not sure about this honestly. There's contact between the legs, but contact by itself doesn't mean foul
Honestly, one angle makes it look a clear foul, and the others make it look fine. Since VAR is supposed to check all the angles i think, i'd tend to agree with you
But the one angle did make it look a clear mistake
And if VAR was never around no one would complain about the goal. Maybe initially but forgotten.