VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Carl said:
"If" "can be". Yeh, nah. I think you're over reacting.
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SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

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It’s not the still that makes the tackle look bad. It’s the tackle that makes the tackle look bad
 
SilentWitness said:
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

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Yeh, so as I said. Over reacting.
 
Carl said:
"If" "can be". Yeh, nah. I think you're over reacting.
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Pogba got sent off for putting his foot down naturally and Bellerin laying his leg underneath. Did you think that was a red back then?
 
Three huge refereeing decisions went in favour of Liverpool, Chelsea and City yesterday. VVD should’ve been off, Mendy’s Oscar winning acting meant Chelsea stole 3 points and Villa had a legitimate goal disallowed due to a linesman with a prematurely ejaculating arm.

Simply not good enough.
 
It's a scandal they don't want to end.

The football authorities didn't like the idea of introducing technology into their competition rigging system at all.

They resisted until the last moment until they were sure that they could control the results of the games and have total power.

For anyone who understands anything about the subject or is curious, it is a scandal what is done with the offside lines, a scandal.

Someone places the reference point where it suits them or where they feel like it.

Referees are corrupt and puppets of a whole system.

And the shamelessness continues, week after week, in all competitions.

In every country.

A few give up watching the game.

But they are few.
Very few.

Most continue to pay to feed the system.

It's a shame.

But they killed football a long time ago.

This is something else.
 
Irrational. said:
Three huge refereeing decisions went in favour of Liverpool, Chelsea and City yesterday. VVD should’ve been off, Mendy’s Oscar winning acting meant Chelsea stole 3 points and Villa had a legitimate goal disallowed due to a linesman with a prematurely ejaculating arm.

Simply not good enough.
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They were contenious decisions but I am not sure they are the worst we have seen.

VVD, as much as I love seeing any Dipper sent off, was one of those where most of the force went into the top of the foot rather than the shin. For me, I put that one down as a on field decision that is always going to go with the ref. That one I don't think is in VARS area and is rather an onfield. Would I have sent someone off for that? Personally not, but it would be in my orange category.

Mendy. This one is a bit tricky, Mendy for me shouldn't get the decision simply because of his acting. However, Bowen needs to be looked at. He could've avoided contact on that and has obviously 'left a bit' on him. By doing that, he has made the ref/VAR make a decision which is something that is unwise as you cannot know which way they will go. Additionally, some angles show more contact than others. I can personally see why that one got disallowed, even if I don't agree with it.

Villa. The thing that is shocking here is how quick the lino puts his flag up. Yeah, there is meant to be quicker flags this season, but not on wafer thin decisions. That said, by the time he gets the shot off, the play is already dead and the defending City player has stopped closing him down. Personally, I am not sure that he scores that without the whistle. Again this isn't a VAR issue.

The biggest VAR joke for me this weekend was the Newcastle one, that should've been a goal.
 
Carl said:
"If" "can be". Yeh, nah. I think you're over reacting.
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So you want his leg to brake to get a red card :lol: . Some logic you read in the caf astonishes me. The red card was created for exactly theses cases, case were the player is in danger of millimetres away from a horrible injury.
 
Giggsyking said:
So you want his leg to brake to get a red card :lol: . Some logic you read in the caf astonishes me. The red card was created for exactly theses cases, case were the player is in danger of millimetres away from a horrible injury.
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Of course not, but I don't think that was the case here. It was mistimed and looked high because he just got there second. Was barely any force etc.
 
Just seen a still that coadys goal could have counted, they done the line off vvd but the tacklers leg blocking the cross looked deeper than coady
 
njred said:
Well yesterday just proves what I’ve said all along, how can a system work when the calls being reviewed are subjective. How the F did any league think that’s a good idea? It should be used for offsides, balls out of play, corners, goals ect.. not for subjective plays. In the past refs couldn’t stop any goal and find any small foul in the buildup if they wanted to but now they can with VAR. The reason the NFL replay system works is it’s used just for clear cut decisions ( fumbles, balls catched) not for subjective calls like holding or interference.
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VAR isn't the problem, it seems to work fine it other leagues and tournaments. Problem is the refs that are looking at replays and still making bad decisions. They should either be mic'd up so we can hear there reasoning or talk after the game and explain it. At the minute they've got no accountability
 
awop said:
Must be written somewhere between clubs and the FA that all their employees must abide by those rules. It's probably the club that is legally fined, not the individual manager/player.
We'd need a player/manager that gets the benefit of a bad decision to clearly all them out. Not a "yeah we got lucky on this decision, take it up to the ref..."
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This is the thing, its easy to shift blame rather than to say, it’s not a foul on Mendy and the goal should of stood.
 
Carl said:
Of course not, but I don't think that was the case here. It was mistimed and looked high because he just got there second. Was barely any force etc.
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No mate you allowed to encourage these kind of tackles. This perception of player s intention and how much force used etc always give referees to manipulate rule.

Player go high on tackle it's mistimed slipped or any other reason it should be punished.

It should never be in grey area. High and dangerous then should be red. It should be common for all. Why it needed to be in grey area. It's another player s career on the line and should be discouraged at all cost.
 
Anyone noticed how they always do loads of awful decisions right at the start of the season. Every season
 
Edwards6 said:
VAR isn't the problem, it seems to work fine it other leagues and tournaments. Problem is the refs that are looking at replays and still making bad decisions. They should either be mic'd up so we can hear there reasoning or talk after the game and explain it. At the minute they've got no accountability
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Again it’s all opinion though. Someone sees red whilst another sees yellow. Someone sees handball while another sees it as incidental. That is the flaw. It’s all open to interpretation. I just don’t how its ever going to work if it hasn’t for years now. It makes things worse actually. We used to just get on with it and argue a bit later but now the proof is there for everyone to disagree on.
 
njred said:
Again it’s all opinion though. Someone sees red whilst another sees yellow. Someone sees handball while another sees it as incidental. That is the flaw. It’s all open to interpretation. I just don’t how its ever going to work if it hasn’t for years now. It makes things worse actually. We used to just get on with it and argue a bit later but now the proof is there for everyone to disagree on.
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Nobody is talking about 50/50 calls. It’s the 95/5 calls like the non red card yesterday that’s the problem.
Not even being called over is more of a kicker .
 
The main issue is that referees have never played to any meaningful level. They have zero understanding of what things happen due to genuine mistiming of things and what happens due to malice or recklessness.
We would be better off asking players retiring from levels 5-7 to train and become referees rather than having ‘career’ referees.
 
This week VAR has ruled wrongly in favor of 3 Man Utd rivals:
1. Ruling out West Ham's goal to secure Chelsea 3 points
2. Ruling out Coutinho's non-existent offside goal to help City to secure 1 point
3. Skipping VVD's red card tackle to help Liverpool to secure 1 point

I don't feel right tonight
 
JeffFromHK said:
This week VAR has ruled wrongly in favor of 3 Man Utd rivals:
1. Ruling out West Ham's goal to secure Chelsea 3 points
2. Ruling out Coutinho's non-existent offside goal to help City to secure 1 point
3. Skipping VVD's red card tackle to help Liverpool to secure 1 point

I don't feel right tonight
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I imagine the footballing gods will screw us with VAR today just to make it a fabulous weekend.
 
Just seen the Newcastle one against Palace. How the feck is that ruled a fk to Palace? The Newcastle player was pushed by the Palace defender into the keeper! If the ref says the keeper is impeded and goal shouldn't stand because of that, it has to be a penalty?
 
Corruption.

So many teams are sponsored by betting companies now, and the same company that promotes the PL also polices it…

VAR isn’t being used to make the game ‘fairer’, it’s the opposite. It’s being used to ensure certain outcomes.

The game was more chaotic and predictable without VAR - now every goal is given the opportunity to be ‘controlled’.

It’s awful - corrupt totalitarianism literally dictating the outcome of games.

It’s ruining football.
 
JeffFromHK said:
This week VAR has ruled wrongly in favor of 3 Man Utd rivals:
1. Ruling out West Ham's goal to secure Chelsea 3 points
2. Ruling out Coutinho's non-existent offside goal to help City to secure 1 point
3. Skipping VVD's red card tackle to help Liverpool to secure 1 point

I don't feel right tonight
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There were some shocking decisions this weekend all right (Bowen "foul" and the disallowed Newcastle goal especially) but it's a bit silly to include the Coutinho shot in that. The ref blew his whistle a second before Coutinho struck the ball and City stopped playing. Mahrez was challenging Coutinho and would have easily blocked the shot - he visibly stopped when the whistle went.
 
Absolutely sick of VAR. Wiping of great goals that would have stood for centuries before. Completely running the game.
 
I thought the praise given to Oliver for sticking with his onfield decision was weird. The penalty to me looked very harsh, I didn't think it was a handball, looked like it hit the arm that was tucked by his side and not the outstretched arm.

VAR should end up in the right decision, I feel like this one was only praised because of the other right onfield decisions being overruled. This one looked wrong to me, and should have been reversed.

On the others, the Newcastle and West Ham decision are shocking. VVD may have been lucky, but I think it was more a yellow than red. The majority of the force was downward, and not into the shin. Ended up with more of a stamp and not a leg breaker.
 
And another ridiculous one in Brighton vs Leicester?
 
Get rid of the thing. It's sickening. World class goals being cancelled for silly miniscule things that happened beforehand.
 
I prefer the cricket/tennis implementation - 1 review per team.
 
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