The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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LuisNaniencia said:
Just heard on LBC, the secret service pay Trump to use his golf buggies while they follow him around his own golf courses protecting him.
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I said this a few pages back and I'm still yet to see any journalists commenting on it and I can't understand why as it seems like a big issue in my mind:


1. There is a very strong suspicion (one of the Trump kids told a journalist straight up that it was a fact a few years ago) that the Trump Golf Resorts and other Trump businesses are funded by a line of credit coming out of Russia.

2. Trump is currently exploiting his position by going to one of these Golf Resorts every single weekend and his business is profiting from government money. He even hiked all the prices as soon as he won the election.

3. The Trump businesses are therefore very likely using US Government Money to service loans taken out from Russian groups highly likely to be linked to the Russian Government.

Basically he could be funnelling US Government Money directly to Russian Government Officials.

Now surely even the slightest chance of this being true would be a big enough reason to subpoena all his Tax returns?
 
fcbforever said:
Because subpoenas on the Trump campaign were issued just hours before Trump suddenly decided to fire him for exactly the reasons he kept him in January. Yes, he should have been fired in January. For a lot of reasons. But now? Replacing him with the dumb sack of shit Rudy Guiliani, who would probably literally lick the shit out of Trumps arse if asked too?
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I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
 
fcbforever said:
Because subpoenas on the Trump campaign were issued just hours before Trump suddenly decided to fire him for exactly the reasons he kept him in January. Yes, he should have been fired in January. For a lot of reasons. But now? Replacing him with the dumb sack of shit Rudy Guiliani, who would probably literally lick the shit out of Trumps arse if asked too?
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Replacing the man investigating the election with the guy who almost certainly was back-channeling leaks from the NYC FBI Bureau during the election? Nothing to see here...
 
Smores said:
I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
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Removing the man in charge of the investigation and replacing him with a Trump puppet isn't going to cover up anything?

I've heard everything now :lol:
 
Smores said:
I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
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It could. Putting someone in who is inclined to take the view that the investigation is a waste of time (the view the administration has) can affect the investigation. Especially if the replacement is leaking information about the investigation to the people being investigated....

However I am sure people won't let it slide and there will hopefully be a seperate independent investigation setup. Issue is though that it can buy time for things to be covered up further.

For arguments sake, if there is nothing to hide, why not just fire Comey after the conclusion of the investigation?
 
Some scary names being bandied around for FBI director.

Giuliani, Gowdy and Sheriff Clarke.
 
Smores said:
I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
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Ummm the Director is a crucial figure...behind the scenes he'll influence what they investigate, how much they investigate and what level of priority this will get.

Sean Spicer called Sally Yates the then acting AG - a political opponent.

So...no points for guessing where the loyalties of the new FBI director will lie.
 
Neutral said:
Ummm the Director is a crucial figure...behind the scenes he'll influence what they investigate, how much they investigate and what level of priority this will get.

Sean Spicer called Sally Yates the then acting AG - a political opponent.

So...no points for guessing where the loyalties of the new FBI director will lie.
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:nono::p
 
Smores said:
I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
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Wouldn't killing the investigation be a cover up? :confused:
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Removing the man in charge of the investigation and replacing him with a Trump puppet isn't going to cover up anything?

I've heard everything now :lol:
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My point which i thought was rather clear is that the FBI isn't a one man band, the other FBI staff/agents aren't just going to cover something up because they have a new boss.

It might influence things but there's such scrutiny on it anyway that you'd just get leaks. Cover up and influence are very different things.
 
I imagine it as having been quite an impulsive thing. Trump and Comey in a meeting, Trump getting angry and just losing it and telling him he's fired without having thought through the consequences of it or how best to manage it. Because otherwise, surely people around him would have advised, at the very least have the replacement lined up for a "smooth transition", to slightly offset the appearance of chaos and crisis.
 
Smores said:
My point which i thought was rather clear is that the FBI isn't a one man band, the other FBI staff/agents aren't just going to cover something up because they have a new boss.

It might influence things but there's such scrutiny on it anyway that you'd just get leaks. Cover up and influence are very different things.
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A cursory search: A cover-up is an attempt, whether successful or not, to conceal evidence of wrongdoing, error, incompetence or other embarrassing information.
 
Smores said:
My point which i thought was rather clear is that the FBI isn't a one man band, the other FBI staff/agents aren't just going to cover something up because they have a new boss.

It might influence things but there's such scrutiny on it anyway that you'd just get leaks. Cover up and influence are very different things.
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What happens when he reassigns them and brings in other yes men?
 
Adebesi said:
I imagine it as having been quite an impulsive thing. Trump and Comey in a meeting, Trump getting angry and just losing it and telling him he's fired without having thought through the consequences of it or how best to manage it. Because otherwise, surely people around him would have advised, at the very least have the replacement lined up for a "smooth transition", to slightly offset the appearance of chaos and crisis.
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Apparently they did.

He found out by catching it on the news apparently, followed by a letter. (Yes that way around)

Shambles.
 
Smores said:
I understand the concerns for a replacement chosen by Trump but i dont get the cover up accusations. Does the FBI investigation start and end with Comey? There's clearly many figures involved, removing the director isn't going to cover up anythiny surely.
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Putting a new director in charge means you have someone in a position to replace prosecutors, to delay and mislead the investigation. How is that NOT covering up??
 
Adebesi said:
I imagine it as having been quite an impulsive thing. Trump and Comey in a meeting, Trump getting angry and just losing it and telling him he's fired without having thought through the consequences of it or how best to manage it. Because otherwise, surely people around him would have advised, at the very least have the replacement lined up for a "smooth transition", to slightly offset the appearance of chaos and crisis.
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Comey was giving a speech...when he heard the news, he initially thought it was a prank. Before he was informed...ummm, no...you're fired for real :lol:

Trump oviously doesn't care about the optics and he probably thought...hey, the Democrats hate Comey for the email thing.

This is a win-win situation. As was proven by his tweets following the firing (he went after Chuck Schumer for criticizing the firing, saying...hey weren't you guys pissed at Comey...so, why the indignation now! )
 
Pexbo said:
What happens when he reassigns them and brings in other yes men?
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Does he have that absolute power for ongoing investigations? I doubt it, certainly isn't how my employer operates. I don't know the the ins and outs which is why is it was an open question.
 
Smores said:
Does he have that absolute power for ongoing investigations? I doubt it, certainly isn't how my employer operates. I don't know the the ins and outs which is why is it was an open question.
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Do you work for the FBI? Or any comparable organisation?
 
Smores said:
Does he have that absolute power for ongoing investigations? I doubt it, certainly isn't how my employer operates. I don't know the the ins and outs which is why is it was an open question.
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Ok so, lets say you are right and he has little influence over the investigation. What about if he keeps the Trump admin up to date on everything and tips them off on any incoming requests for documents or searches of properties? It would allow them to always be one step ahead of the game and be as prepared as they possibly could be when any interviews come. No surprises, just a book full of carefully constructed answers and corroborated alibis.

Look at what happened with Nunes heading the House investigation, he almost trashed the whole thing because he went running to them with damaging intelligence and refused to share it with the Intelligence Committee.

If you can't see any reason why it would be a problem you're either not looking hard enough or your red tinted specs are spoiling the view.
 
They'll find a way to stop the subpoena of his tax returns.

They'll install a puppet in the FBI to quash the whole investigation into Russia.

They'll refuse to cooperate with the Senate intel committee investigation and find a way to subvert it so it goes away.

They'll fire anyone and everyone that gets within a whisker of anything potentially damaging to them and then instigate a massive smear campaign supported by everyone who voted for him and the likes of Fox News and Breitbart.

The chances of an independent investigation leading to anything getting started is roughly zero.

What we're witnessing is a ruthless, horrible organisation of people displaying the full power of the Presidency to complete annihilate the opposition. A dictatorship being born before our very eyes.
 
afrocentricity said:
Do you work for the FBI? Or any comparable organisation?
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I work within a regulatory framework, non-criminal. Any signs of influence would be handled no matter superiority. The FBI I'd expect to be much more stringent and with whistleblowing being more prominent i fail to see potential for such huge conspiracies.

Bored of this now, only asked a question but even that gets jumped on if you're not doom mongering :lol:
 
Until the White House comes up with a less ludicrous rationalization for its actions, we can only assume that Trump fired Comey because the Russia investigation is closing in on him and his associates, and he knew that he didn’t have much sway over the F.B.I. director. That is the simplest theory that fits the facts. And it is a cause for great alarm.

Ever since Trump took office, many people have worried about his commitment to democratic norms, the Constitution, and the rule of law. From the hasty promulgation of his anti-Muslim travel ban onward, he has done little to salve these concerns. Now he has acted like one of the authoritarian leaders he so admires—a Putin, an Erdoğan, or an el-Sisi.

Congress must restrain him and reassert the principles of American democracy by appointing an independent special prosecutor to take over the Russia investigation. If the legislature won’t act unprompted—and the initial signs are that most of the G.O.P. intends to yield to the President’s abuse of his power—it will be incumbent on the American people to register their protests forcefully, and to put pressure on their elected officials. Trump is a menace. He must be stopped.
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Newyorker going in hard.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/donald-trump-james-comey-attack-american-democracy
 
Sly said:
I don't care about republican senators reactions. I also remember the posturing with the Rex Tillerson nomination and we all know what happened. I just don't trust the republican party. One call from Trump and they will all fall in line. I bet the new FBI director nomination will appease them. That or another Mega bomb/Tomahawk somewhere in Syria/Iraq. This will be forgotten in a month.
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matherto said:
They'll find a way to stop the subpoena of his tax returns.

They'll install a puppet in the FBI to quash the whole investigation into Russia.

They'll refuse to cooperate with the Senate intel committee investigation and find a way to subvert it so it goes away.

They'll fire anyone and everyone that gets within a whisker of anything potentially damaging to them and then instigate a massive smear campaign supported by everyone who voted for him and the likes of Fox News and Breitbart.

The chances of an independent investigation leading to anything getting started is roughly zero.

What we're witnessing is a ruthless, horrible organisation of people displaying the full power of the Presidency to complete annihilate the opposition. A dictatorship being born before our very eyes.
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Both are possible, maybe even likely.

Smores said:
I work within a regulatory framework, non-criminal. Any signs of influence would be handled no matter superiority. The FBI I'd expect to be much more stringent and with whistleblowing being more prominent i fail to see potential for such huge conspiracies.

Bored of this now, only asked a question but even that gets jumped on if you're not doom mongering :lol:
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I'm not jumping on you, I just asked a question. The highlighted part of your answer, I don't understand. Can you not say what field you work in?
 
Couldn't resist

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Smores said:
Does he have that absolute power for ongoing investigations? I doubt it, certainly isn't how my employer operates. I don't know the the ins and outs which is why is it was an open question.
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Everything they do is a tough sell. It still works. They don't care about the backlash because their voters don't seem to care. They don't have to care.
 
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