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Without Pearl Harbor we'd have not gone to war.
We seem to be going further and further off topic here. Japan have turned from the enemy to one of the US's biggest allies in the last 70 years, so abandoning them to fend for themselves against an expansionist China really isn't a great idea.
 

LOL.

The Nazi's lost the war because:

1) They significantly underestimated the Russian winter.
2) They niavely engaged on a war on two fronts.
3) The US provided the allied forces with significant arms contributions once they were involved in the war. Until PH, their intention was to stay out of the war.

By all accounts the primary reason they lost was due to their own decisions.

But knowing you, this will all fall on deaf ears.
 
The problem is that when your spoilt vote isn't acknowledge people end up disenchanted because it's virtually like pissing against the wind.

PS: I don't understand the last sentence.
It's all pissing in the wind, how long has US general election turnout been below 60%? Over 40 years. None of my general election votes in the UK have ever come close to mattering, I'm in a seat where the winner is known about 20 years in advance, I still turn up and stick a cross in the box. If people can admit they're just lazy and couldn't be bothered then I'm not going to argue, they can do what they like, it's the "I took a moral stand" that I find a little pathetic.
 
It's not my forte but hasn't Tibet been Chinese for the most part of its history?

Tibet as an country/state originated around 600 A.D and they have always seen them selves as Tibetans and not Chinese. The Mongolians had far longer influence on Tibet Historically than China. In 1700 and to 1912 ( the fall of Qing Dynasty ) the Chinese had proper control of Tibet but they have always been seen as foreign occupiers by the native Tibetans and never been a real part of China. China only had control of their lands for 250 ish years by force so to answer your question, no they have not. China have been occupying Tibet again since the last war in the 1950s with the rise of Mao Zedong and the Communist party.

China wants to portray it different though to make their claim to the region strong. China wants to have access/own the minerals to be found in this region and this is why they are trying to claim Tibet as part of Modern day China.
 
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It's all pissing in the wind, how long has US general election turnout been below 60%? Over 40 years. None of my general election votes in the UK have ever come close to mattering, I'm in a seat where the winner is known about 20 years in advance, I still turn up and stick a cross in the box. If people can admit they're just lazy and couldn't be bothered then I'm not going to argue, they can do what they like, it's the "I took a moral stand" that I find a little pathetic.

It's not a moral stand, it's a simple choice. You are the one making a moral stand by putting a ballot in no matter what. And you are mixing up losing an election by voting for the loser and not being acknowlegded at all which is the case with blank votes.
 
He is actually correct. They may have in the long term but until PH they were more likely than not to stay out of it.
FDR had a lot of pressure to engage the nazis (keep in mind that the US had a few nazis also) and if Britain was about to fall they would be over like a shot. I'm thankful for every country that engaged that fight regardless of the circumstances of their involvement. Would we see the same America today without their involvement, they did have the biggest hand in rebuilding and healing the world but that war was a catalyst for the booming middle class created in this country.
 
FDR had a lot of pressure to engage the nazis (keep in mind that the US had a few nazis also) and if Britain was about to fall they would be over like a shot. I'm thankful for every country that engaged that fight regardless of the circumstances of their involvement. Would we see the same America today without their involvement, they did have the biggest hand in rebuilding and healing the world but that war was a catalyst for the booming middle class created in this country.

Honestly that isn't the case. FDR was actually under significant pressure NOT to get involved in the war. I was recently at Pearl Harbour and have done a fair amount of research since.
 
The polarization was already there. He preyed on the fears and anger of people who felt abandoned. These people were lied to by both parties. And here we are.
As for Trump himself, no one really knows how he is going to govern. I suspect he must have half wished he had not won.
But I do know as a nation we must come together. Address the needs of people who voted for him. Not punish them or discard them.


Wherever we come from, people want the same things.

This country has gone through so much. We will rise above this.

Yeah i actually suspect hes going to hate being president actually. With the interviews from people close to him (like Schwartz) and the way he acted in the campaign against that female Fox news reporter, it's clear he is a narcissists with an ego the size of our sun. You saw the second someone challenged him he responded with throwing his toys out of the pram and acting like a bratty little shit. Now as a "self made" businessman he could get away with being an arse to pretty much anyone, but now he is president. With that comes A LOT more responsibility and A LOT more scrutiny

As for the second bolded part. Yeah tearing each other apart won't do any good, but at the same time: You have to fight these arseholes at every step of the way and give them the same treatment the republicans gave you under Obama, simply falling in line and taking whatever shit they serve up won't do.

Fecking hell. Simply thinking about the fact that in a couple of months Obama will be replaced with that shitstain of a human being brings my piss to a boil
 
I'm not going to watch an 18 minute video... summarise key point?

Russia had by far the highest losses in WW2. And yes, tbh, I don't think (nobody does) that Germany really could've beaten the Russians even without American involvment. Logistics and material was vital though, but Germany would've lost the war even if no American soldier ever reached Europe.
 
Yeah i actually suspect hes going to hate being president actually. With the interviews from people close to him (like Schwartz) and the way he acted in the campaign against that female Fox news reporter, it's clear he is a narcissists with an ego the size of our sun. You saw the second someone challenged him he responded with throwing his toys out of the pram and acting like a bratty little shit. Now as a "self made" businessman he could get away with being an arse to pretty much anyone, but now he is president. With that comes A LOT more responsibility and A LOT more scrutiny

As for the second bolded part. Yeah tearing each other apart won't do any good, but at the same time: You have to fight these arseholes at every step of the way and give them the same treatment the republicans gave you under Obama, simply falling in line and taking whatever shit they serve up won't do.

Fecking hell. Simply thinking about the fact that in a couple of months Obama will be replaced with that shitstain of a human being brings my piss to a boil

pretty much agree with this.

All I am saying is. Its no point looking back. No point blaming each other. How do we move forward? The local police have a lot more to handle with these incidents. Secondly while I agree people have a right to protest, there is no excuse for violence.

Trump is a vacuum. He knows nothing. But if he is seeking council from Obama, it is a good start. I know he will do the best for the country by advising him. I don't think Trump will abdicate his responsibilities as Bush did. We can only hope.
 
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Russia had by far the highest losses in WW2. And yes, tbh, I don't think (nobody does) that Germany really could've beaten the Russians even without American involvment. Logistics and material was vital though, but Germany would've lost the war even if no American soldier ever reached Europe.

1. This should be in a different thread.
2. Wrong.
 
Russia had by far the highest losses in WW2. And yes, tbh, I don't think (nobody does) that Germany really could've beaten the Russians even without American involvment. Logistics and material was vital though, but Germany would've lost the war even if no American soldier ever reached Europe.
If the Japanese attacked Russia from behind and let the Americans alone then I'm not sure the outcome of the war, Russia couldn't handle 2 fronts
 
Russia had by far the highest losses in WW2. And yes, tbh, I don't think (nobody does) that Germany really could've beaten the Russians even without American involvment. Logistics and material was vital though, but Germany would've lost the war even if no American soldier ever reached Europe.

I don't entirely disagree. But how much of that was because of their tactical decisions compared to Russia's own ability to hold them? It's a well researched and documented fact that Germanys over-pursuit in Russia and ignorantly misjudging the winter in Russia and therefore being without the support lines and equipment they needed to cope with it was a very key reason in losing the war.

And saying the US material was vital isn't enough justice, but that's just my opinion. A lot of the machinery that france and the UK used to push back against Germany on the other front ultimately came from the US because the Germany's bombing in the U.K. had a real significant impact on our ability to produce the machinery needed to fight Germany back.

Look, the war is a very complicated thing and there are billions of factors which led to it ending the way it did. A lot is subjective, too, so a lot of what I'm saying is probably judgemental and subjective. And therefore someone putting up a poll who defeated the Germans is a ludicrous thing.

And the pat above me makes a very good point.

Anyway this certainly isn't a conversation for this thread so I'll leave it here.
 
If France had a Death Star WW2 would have been a 10mn affair.
 
If France had a Death Star WW2 would have been a 10mn affair.
What would it be in French, Etoilee de Mort? Sounds too poetic for such an instrument of destruction.

Now imagining Star Wars dialogue in 'Allo 'Allo accents, and it's strangely good.
 
This system has caused the election of 2 people who received fewer votes in the last 16years, very much against the fundamental concept of democracy.

Like I've pointed out, California has about 12% of the US population, so you won't be seeing Calicentric policies, but a popular vote will let everyone have their equal say.

The EC is the least of the US' worries with regards to the threat to democracy.

Half of the registered voters didn't vote, because the binary, funneled choices don't reflect their interests. Speech is free, but money equals speech, and it speaks louder than words on both sides of the aisle. Then there's shit like Gerrymandering, which is just a simple fact of life, taught in civics class. I could go on.
 

That's a load of shite tbf

Soviet sure did their part, but they got completely annihilated by the Germans up until Stalingard (which that hugely disproportionate number of causalities sustained kind of proves). The fact is 1941-1942 had very wet summers and VERY cold winters which by some cosmic stroke of luck slowed down German advances to a crawl. By the time they reached Stalingrad, Stalin had moved the Russian military industry east of the Ural mountains in some desperate attempt to save it from the Nazi's, but the fact is they were not nearly operating at a sufficient capacity to sustain their war effort.

By 1942 the US where producing more military material than the four other major power combined, and significant amount of this was sent to aid a Soviet Union who was very much hanging in the ropes.

You could argue that claiming the US saved Europe from Hitler is wrong, but it's more wrong to claim the Soviet Union did so, because they were very close to being defeated
 
What would it be in French, Etoilee de Mort? Sounds too poetic for such an instrument of destruction.

Now imagining Star Wars dialogue in 'Allo 'Allo accents, and it's strangely good.

Yeah, it's Etoile de la mort.
 
In fact Japan did attack the USSR. The Battle of Khalkin-Gol took place on the Outer Mongolia/Manchuria frontier between 20-31 August 1939. The Japanese sufferd around 60,000 casualties, according the the Soviets. From then on they abandoned the idea of expanding westwards through Russia and turned their attentions to the Pacific.

I think it was Stalin who said that Britain gave the time, the US gave the money and the USSR gave the men. Not a bad summary, if incomplete.
 
The EC is the least of the US' worries with regards to the threat to democracy.

Half of the registered voters didn't vote, because the binary, funneled choices don't reflect their interests. Speech is free, but money equals speech, and it speaks louder than words on both sides of the aisle. Then there's shit like Gerrymandering, which is just a simple fact of life, taught in civics class. I could go on.
The EC directly results in very low voter turnout, what's the incentive for a Republican living in California or a Democrat living in Texas to vote?

If they do away with the EC, every vote will count and more people will vote.
 
The EC directly results in very low voter turnout, what's the incentive for a Republican living in California or a Democrat living in Texas to vote?

If they do away with the EC, every vote will count and more people will vote.

You seriously don't think the blatant legalisation of corruption has more to do with people staying home? Is it just that people have only now caught on to the EC being a clumsy system?
 
In fact Japan did attack the USSR. The Battle of Khalkin-Gol took place on the Outer Mongolia/Manchuria frontier between 20-31 August 1939. The Japanese sufferd around 60,000 casualties, according the the Soviets. From then on they abandoned the idea of expanding westwards through Russia and turned their attentions to the Pacific.

I think it was Stalin who said that Britain gave the time, the US gave the money and the USSR gave the men. Not a bad summary, if incomplete.
Well, there were so many things Imperial Japan could/should have done differently, starting with not waging 360 degree war against everyone, if they concentrated their efforts against China and not the colonies of the western powers, things could have turned out very different.
 
You seriously don't think the blatant legalisation of corruption has more to do with people staying home? Is it just that people have only now caught on to the EC being a clumsy system?

Both are factors, but the fact that your vote wouldn't matter in at least 30-35 states is the main reason why voter turnout is so low.
 
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