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The EC directly results in very low voter turnout, what's the incentive for a Republican living in California or a Democrat living in Texas to vote?

If they do away with the EC, every vote will count and more people will vote.

I imagine a perfect world where the nation is asked about the elligibility of the candidates, a compulsory "yea" or "nay" type of vote.
 
You seriously don't think the blatant legalisation of corruption has more to do with people staying home? Is it just that people have only now caught on to the EC being a clumsy system?
Last time US turnout was above 70% was 1900, the last time it was above 60% was 1968, so I'm not sure you can say people are behaving any differently now because of these particular candidates.
 
It's not my forte but hasn't Tibet been Chinese for the most part of its history?
Suppose this is so, what's wrong with them wanting independence. If a place wants independence and they have the means to fend for themselves then they should be able to do so without fear of being taken over again by their bigger neighbour.
 
Voting in a General Election or a Referendum should be compulsory for all adults of voting age.

Election day should be a public holiday.

There should be a 'none of the above' option on every ballot. If this gets more than 30% of the vote, a new election should automatically get triggered. It'll give every party a chance to re-evaluate what the electorate want.

That'd sort everything out.
 
fact is people simply don't vote because they don't like either candidates for example.

Is it different in Europe for example? Many people just don't bother to vote.
126.2m votes in 2012
121m votes so far in 2016 (at least 5m outstanding in California and Washington)

Did people dislike Obama and Romney too?
 
How well does it work in practice?
No effect whatsoever. It doesn't have the 30% criterion that you proposed to make enough people go for it. Those who don't like any option prefer not voting due to laziness. In the end one of the two major parties always end up winning. But then the country I come is the largest democracy in the world and getting a billion and a half people to vote in any systematic manner is possibly the most challenging political task I've ever seen.

Could well be effective in nations that don't have to face those kind of challenges and can make people aware of that option properly and it could make a difference.
 
126.2m votes in 2012
121m votes so far in 2016 (at least 5m outstanding in California and Washington)

Did people dislike Obama and Romney too?

Obama-McCain was a good illustration of people voting. An aspirational candidate with virtually no negatives and great communication skills generally yields good turn out. Even in 2012, after Obama had been beaten down by 4 years in office, he still managed pretty good numbers.

 
Suppose this is so, what's wrong with them wanting independence. If a place wants independence and they have the means to fend for themselves then they should be able to do so without fear of being taken over again by their bigger neighbour.

In theory, it's not a problem but in reality most current countries are the result of invasions and rejections of independences, and most countries refuse to lose a part of the territories they conquered and will try to get them back. But only a handful of them are continuously criticized.
 
Been watching some of Trump's moments during the primaries. Poor Jeb. :lol:
 
Pivoting back to the topic of Pivot Or No Pivot, the discussion (before WWII took over) reminds me of this article
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

And though Trump’s unfavorables are extraordinarily high (around 65 percent), he is already showing signs of changing his tune, pivoting (fitfully) to the more presidential mode he envisages deploying in the general election. I suspect this will, to some fools on the fence, come as a kind of relief, and may open their minds to him once more. Tyrants, like mob bosses, know the value of a smile: Precisely because of the fear he’s already generated, you desperately want to believe in his new warmth. It’s part of the good-cop-bad-cop routine that will be familiar to anyone who has studied the presidency of Vladimir Putin.
 
I HATE how Ryan is portrayed as moderate, it's an obscene distortion of his views.
The way the whole GOP tried to portray themselves as worried about women's rights after pussygate was equally galling.

And meanwhile, a substitute teacher has been taunting 11 year old latinos that their parents will be deported and they'll be left in foster care

 
He genuinely sounds like an intelligent man in that. I am gobsmacked lol.

He is intelligent. But also annoyingly naive. He's been banging on about some sort of vague alternative to the status quo for years. Without ever saying what that might actually be. First he was preaching about a revolution. Then it was telling people not to vote. Then vote Labour. Now he's saying Trump getting into power is necessary. Make your mind up, Russell. What are you saying is the solution to these problems? How are we supposed to create jobs for all these disenfranchised and disenchanted people? The harsh reality is that progress has decimated the working class job market. Factories and farms are more and more automated. Online superstores are shutting down all the shops. Uber means any cnut can drive a cab. How are governments supposed to roll the clock back, exactly?
 
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He is intelligent. But also annoyingly naive. He's been banging on about some sort of vague alternative to the status quo for years. Without ever saying what that might actually be. First he was preaching about a revolution. Then it was telling people not to vote. Then vote Labour. Now he's saying Trump getting into power is necessary. Make your mind up, Russell. What are you saying is the solution to these problems? How are we supposed to create jobs for all these disenfranchised and disenchanted people? The harsh reality is that progress has decimated the working class job market. Factories are automated. Online superstores are shutting down all the shops. Uber means any cnut can drive a cab. How are governments supposed to roll the clock back, exactly?

Online superstores still needs people behind the scene, little traditional shops were very often employing only 1 or 2 people, you also need people to maintain, build, upgrade the automats, you need people to take care of the ever aging elderlies, you need people to teach nations that themselves need to constantly upgrade and/or expand their competences. Basically there are jobs out there and there is a demand for manpower/brainpower but people face two problems, mobility and competence. Both are supposed to be big topics for governments.

And don't get me wrong, I don't have all the answers but there are obvious things to take care of.
 
He is intelligent. But also annoyingly naive. He's been banging on about some sort of vague alternative to the status quo for years. Without ever saying what that might actually be. First he was preaching about a revolution. Then it was telling people not to vote. Then vote Labour. Now he's saying Trump getting into power is necessary. Make your mind up, Russell. What are you saying is the solution to these problems? How are we supposed to create jobs for all these disenfranchised and disenchanted people? The harsh reality is that progress has decimated the working class job market. Factories and farms are more and more automated. Online superstores are shutting down all the shops. Uber means any cnut can drive a cab. How are governments supposed to roll the clock back, exactly?

He's perhaps intelligent - he went to the same school I did but got kicked out for drawing a smiley face on his willy with tip ex and showing it to girls in year 7 - but he's not very well educated. He's just got a large vocabulary and people seem to mistake his verbose mutterings for actually insight.
 
He's perhaps intelligent - he went to the same school I did but got kicked out for drawing a smiley face on his willy with tip ex and showing it to girls in year 7 - but he's not very well educated. He's just got a large vocabulary and people seem to mistake his verbose mutterings for actually insight.

Surely being intelligent is better than being well educated.
 
Online superstores still needs people behind the scene, little traditional shops were very often employing only 1 or 2 people, you also need people to maintain, build, upgrade the automats, you need people to take care of the ever aging elderlies, you need people to teach nations that themselves need to constantly upgrade and/or expand their competences. Basically there are jobs out there and there is a demand for manpower/brainpower but people face two problems, mobility and competence. Both are supposed to be big topics for governments.

And don't get me wrong, I don't have all the answers but there are obvious things to take care of.

One if the biggest issues is the US is that they have hordes of unskilled/uneducated labor. Partly due to big immigration and partly due to a completely busted education system where only the incredibly talented and/or resourceful get through. And in the current technological job market, this is a recipe for disaster
 
One if the biggest issues is the US is that they have hordes of unskilled/uneducated labor. Partly due to big immigration and partly due to a completely busted education system where only the incredibly talented and/or resourceful get through. And in the current technological job market, this is a recipe for disaster

It's not just the US, I think that it's the case in most developed countries. There is also the big issue that jobs are in big cities, where housing and transportation are expensive and eliminate all the people that doesn't have the means to settle in, they could have the jobs but can't stay.
 
He's perhaps intelligent - he went to the same school I did but got kicked out for drawing a smiley face on his willy with tip ex and showing it to girls in year 7 - but he's not very well educated. He's just got a large vocabulary and people seem to mistake his verbose mutterings for actually insight.

He's an auto-didact. Seems quite bright and reads voraciously. Hence he's very articulate and generally quite knowledgeable. Intelligence is tricky to define but I'd say he meets any reasonable definition.
 
Trump's cuddling up to the nastier elements of the European right puts paid to the idea from caftards like @Raoul that he's a closet democrat putting on an act.

I doubt he is cuddling up with Le Pen. Farage was just being Farage and is not considered far right by US political standards.
 
Online superstores still needs people behind the scene, little traditional shops were very often employing only 1 or 2 people, you also need people to maintain, build, upgrade the automats, you need people to take care of the ever aging elderlies, you need people to teach nations that themselves need to constantly upgrade and/or expand their competences. Basically there are jobs out there and there is a demand for manpower/brainpower but people face two problems, mobility and competence. Both are supposed to be big topics for governments.

And don't get me wrong, I don't have all the answers but there are obvious things to take care of.

A lot of what you describe there are jobs for civil servants. Which went down the swanney when governments had to tighten their belts after the last recession. How to flip worldwide austerity back into prosperity is taxing far greater minds than Russel Brand.
 
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