The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Pogue Mahone said:
A lot of what you describe there are jobs for civil servants. Which went down the swanney when governments had to tighten their belts after the last recession. How to flip worldwide austerity back into prosperity is taxing far greater minds than Russel Brand.
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Yeah, it is partially the solution. I do wonder if it's not possible to see the private sector play a big role in there too, person driven services and adult education aren't necessarily limited to the state.
 
Raoul said:
Obama-McCain was a good illustration of people voting. An aspirational candidate with virtually no negatives and great communication skills generally yields good turn out. Even in 2012, after Obama had been beaten down by 4 years in office, he still managed pretty good numbers.

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According to CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main/

2012 = Obama 65,455,010; Romney 60,771,703 = Total 126,226,713

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results

2016 = Trump 60,265,858; Clinton 60,839,922 = Total 121,105,780

2016 California = Clinton 5,860,714; Trump 3,151,821；Johnson 304,021; Stein 163,923 (Total 9,480,479)

But this is with est 70% votes counted - http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/california#president

If 70% = 9.5m, remaining 30% = just over 4m

2016 Washington, approximately 2.5m votes counted (60%) = remaining 40% = about 1.6m

There are some other states at 99% or so, let's just ignore that.

The votes for 2016 - 121.1m + 4m + 1.6m =126.7m

So actually would be slightly more than 2012 once everything is counted.

If the ratios hold in California and Washington, Clinton will probably beat Trump by about 3m in the popular vote in the end. She didn't manage bad numbers, just got them in the wrong places.
 
So what are Farage and Le Blonde doing in Trumps transition team? Given their toxicity in their respective home countries, they can hardly build a bridge? Farage might be helpful in formulating propaganda, but other than that!? Le Pen I have genuinely no idea what she could possibly do?

I can understand them jumping at the opportunity, but what's in it for Trump? Is he seriously going to help these 2 (or their relative in Le Pens case) into power?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He's despicable.
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I don't know anything about that, but from all the interviews of Farage that I've watched since his long handbags with the EU, he basically just comes across as an Ex-Commodities broker, turned Euro-sceptic politician. Nothing he has said in the past would sound remotely objectionable to your average Conservative in the US, so its not particularly surprising that he came over to campaign with Trump.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I'm not a fan of Farage one bit but bringing up disputed views of him as a schoolboy is a little tenuous.
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He's clever enough to keep obviously fascist shit like that hidden now his profile is so high but it tells you a lot about the sort of bloke we're dealing with. Makes Gove and Johnson seem centrist by comparison. Also explains why he's comfortable hanging out with the racist vermin that infest his party.
 
Abizzz said:
So what are Farage and Le Blonde doing in Trumps transition team? Given their toxicity in their respective home countries, they can hardly build a bridge? Farage might be helpful in formulating propaganda, but other than that!? Le Pen I have genuinely no idea what she could possibly do?

I can understand them jumping at the opportunity, but what's in it for Trump? Is he seriously going to help these 2 (or their relative in Le Pens case) into power?
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Preparing his moderate administration, of course.
 
Raoul said:
Nothing he has said in the past would sound remotely objectionable to your average Conservative in the US,
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And that basically just shows how severely right wing your Conservatives are. That he seems normal to your Republicans says more about them than it does Farage. He'd get on well with them too because he spent years as a member of European Parliament and did feck all except block things and refuse to vote and get paid for it, despite hating everything the European Parliament stood for. He's a despicable excuse for a human, full of shit and extremely disingenuous and duplicitous, no wonder he gets on so well with Trump, Newt, Rudy and co.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Trump's cuddling up to the nastier elements of the European right puts paid to the idea from caftards like @Raoul that he's a closet democrat putting on an act.
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The way elections have gone in the last couple of years, Le Pen is probably favorites for the presidency. :nervous:
 
Cal? said:
According to CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main/

2012 = Obama 65,455,010; Romney 60,771,703 = Total 126,226,713

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results

2016 = Trump 60,265,858; Clinton 60,839,922 = Total 121,105,780

2016 California = Clinton 5,860,714; Trump 3,151,821；Johnson 304,021; Stein 163,923 (Total 9,480,479)

But this is with est 70% votes counted - http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/california#president

If 70% = 9.5m, remaining 30% = just over 4m

2016 Washington, approximately 2.5m votes counted (60%) = remaining 40% = about 1.6m

There are some other states at 99% or so, let's just ignore that.

The votes for 2016 - 121.1m + 4m + 1.6m =126.7m

So actually would be slightly more than 2012 once everything is counted.

If the ratios hold in California and Washington, Clinton will probably beat Trump by about 3m in the popular vote in the end. She didn't manage bad numbers, just got them in the wrong places.
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Yup



People will still keep posting that bs chart though.
 
langster said:
And that basically just shows how severely right wing your Conservatives are. That he seems normal to your Republicans says more about them than it does Farage. He'd get on well with them too because he spent years as a member of European Parliament and did feck all except block things and refuse to vote and get paid for it, despite hating everything the European Parliament stood for. He's a despicable excuse for a human, full of shit and extremely disingenuous and duplicitous, no wonder he gets on so well with Trump, Newt, Rudy and co.
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Or conversely, how far left European politics is from the US median. It all depends on your point of view and what you consider normal.
 
Winning the popular vote by 2% will give the opposition a bit of wind behind their sails and will in a way delegitimize the idea of a mandate for Trump.
 
Raoul said:
Winning the popular vote by 2% will give the opposition a bit of wind behind their sails and will in a way delegitimize the idea of a mandate for Trump.
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She's already up almost 1% and if the remaining 5.6m or so votes break the same way, she could be up closer to 3% at final tally.
 
Raoul said:
Winning the popular vote by 2% will give the opposition a bit of wind behind their sails and will in a way delegitimize the idea of a mandate for Trump.
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I doubt it. People have invented their own narrative and aren't going to let facts get in their way.
 
Bush's winning margin in 04 = 1.9%.
 
Ubik said:
It's all pissing in the wind, how long has US general election turnout been below 60%? Over 40 years. None of my general election votes in the UK have ever come close to mattering, I'm in a seat where the winner is known about 20 years in advance, I still turn up and stick a cross in the box. If people can admit they're just lazy and couldn't be bothered then I'm not going to argue, they can do what they like, it's the "I took a moral stand" that I find a little pathetic.
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Each individual vote doesn't matter. I will vote the candidates that represent who I want to hold that office. I showed up and voted a straight democratic ticket. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Clinton for the reasons mentioned earlier.
 
Eboue said:
Each individual vote doesn't matter. I will vote the candidates that represent who I want to hold that office. I showed up and voted a straight democratic ticket. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Clinton for the reasons mentioned earlier.
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I wasn't complaining about your vote in that post - as I said, at least you put the effort in.

I'd disagree that your individual vote doesn't matter but that's another debate.
 
Raoul said:
Or conversely, how far left European politics is from the US median. It all depends on your point of view and what you consider normal.
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That's fair enough, however I tend to look at how societies and attitudes/opinions evolve over time and especially looking when religion isn't forced and hindering progressive thought and imho the more liberal, accepting and tolerant view is the more normal one. Usually right wing, and hard alt right views come from very strict religious viewpoints or upbringings, if not they are considerably more selfish views, and often more sociopathic.
 
Eboue said:
Each individual vote doesn't matter. I will vote the candidates that represent who I want to hold that office. I showed up and voted a straight democratic ticket. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Clinton for the reasons mentioned earlier.
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How about the reason that not voting for her was essentially a vote for Trump? That's a pretty fecking compelling reason, if you ask me.
 
Carolina Red said:
Agreed... Would I be wrong in saying that the Democratic Party would be considered center-right in Europe?
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I'd say the establishment part of the Dems would be considered slightly center right in Europe, but certainly not the progressive wing.
 
Will Absolute said:
If I were Trump I'd prefer my solid majority in both Houses to all the moral legitimacy in the world.
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He doesn't have solid majority. In addition to Hillary winning the popular vote, the Dems also made gains in both the House and Senate. He knows that if he cocks things up in his first year, he will spend much of the 2nd year defending himself during the mid terms.
 
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