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Good post @Cheesy

Randall Flagg said:
...But often my problem is that many of you consider yourselves more intelligent and better in every way than the right. There is no balance at all...

Opinions like this also most likely only strengthen trump supporters.
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When an intelligent trump supporter comes in here nobody treats them as if they are stupid, in fact you can't help but be impressed. It just so happens that the vast majority that venture in here tend to come across as stupid. And the fact that this strengthens their resolve is problematic... You should be telling them to quit whining, and to bring something to the argument...

In fact a lot trump supporters that come in here seem to see themselves as the intelligent posters and think everyone else is stupid and/or suspect. Perception...

Wibble said:
They might have an opinion that they weren't too chicken shit to stand up for and try to explain?
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Ubik said:
People that don't like the content in the thread are entitled to post stuff with substance themselves you know, rather than just complain about other posters.
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These men know...
 
afrocentricity said:
Good post @Cheesy



When an intelligent trump supporter comes in here nobody treats them as if they are stupid, in fact you can't help but be impressed. It just so happens that the vast majority that venture in here tend to come across as stupid. And the fact that this strengthens their resolve is problematic... You should be telling them to quit whining, and to bring something to the argument...

In fact a lot trump supporters that come in here seem to see themselves as the intelligent posters and think everyone else is stupid and/or suspect. Perception...




These men know...
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Kind of ironic how meta and content-light the thread has gone now.

Trump supporters are initially engaged when they come in here. We spent ten pages on that Alex lad. What was his response to content? "Nah, I rather be ignorant and wind you up. It's entertaining". How are you supposed to respond to that?

The likes of him has really gotten people's backs up, and lead to @SwansonsTache initially getting a fiery response which he didn't deserve. However, he was engaged once it was seen it wasn't a WUM.

@Fener1907 was engaged when hypothetically supporting Trump because he argued well.

I take issue with the argument and will leave it there rather than further derail.
 
Crossie said:
The GOP wants to know how people think of 45's first month.

President Trump’s First Month Approval Survey https://gop.com/trump-first-month-approval-survey/
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Innnnteresting. What a stark contrast to Trump's one. How did they manage to put out a neutral tone one? I would have imagined his people would be raging at this survey. This still asks you for donations at the end of it though!
 
Ady87 said:
People should expect a liberal narrative out of a football forum based in the North.

I think people have been more than accommodating in this thread. The only people that have been hounded out of this thread have rightly deserved it for lacking basic moral standards. There was that anarchist who said he loved chaos and then that Cypriot who was a WUM by his own admission.

I think it's important we remain shocked and appalled at things like the little lies, the factual inaccuracies and the media blackout etc. It's also important we voice those concerns, this thread being one place to do that. I'm not outraged for the sake of it...If we take these on the chin then we risk becoming desensitised to the bigger and more dangerous lies later down the line. It's not unreasonable to expect that will happen.

On a tangent...I'm tired of people outside of this forum calling me precious over this subject because I take an interest all year round. So many people I know are normally indifferent on politics but find themselves rooting for Trump or Brexit because they see Liberals 'carrying on' when they are long since bored of the result. This frustrates me greatly.
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Randall Flagg said:
This thread is dominated by the left wing. That's fine

But often my problem is that many of you consider yourselves more intelligent and better in every way than the right. There is no balance at all...

Opinions like this also most likely only strengthen trump supporters.

Anyway It has become ridiculous.

Rory McElroy played golf with trump, and he is being labelled a facist ffs. Does nobody see how stupid both fecking sides have become?
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It's only anecdotal, however, from personal experience with Trump supporters I've met in person, I can see a distinct correlation between his support and lack of education. It's easy then, to carry that generalisation and apply it in places it simply doesn't always exist, such as the Internet. It's sometimes hard to reset after a conversation that results in despair.

afrocentricity said:
Good post @Cheesy



When an intelligent trump supporter comes in here nobody treats them as if they are stupid, in fact you can't help but be impressed. It just so happens that the vast majority that venture in here tend to come across as stupid. And the fact that this strengthens their resolve is problematic... You should be telling them to quit whining, and to bring something to the argument...

In fact a lot trump supporters that come in here seem to see themselves as the intelligent posters and think everyone else is stupid and/or suspect. Perception...




These men know...
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The bolded part concerns me as it's something I've noticed and it seems to unite the supporter base too.

Ramshock said:
Who are you?
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:rolleyes:
 
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langster said:
I'd echo much of what 2cents said. I am certainly not neutral, but neutrality isnt necessary (possible?) in political discussions. It is fine, when people come to different conclusions based on the ideas they perceive to be true.

It is also not a problem that we are almost unanimously against Trump. The problem is the level of the discussion; most posts just dont have any content. It is just outrage and partisan slur. That is okay for a while, but becomes extremely boring after 500 pages.

Personally I enjoy discussing politics a lot, because I read a lot of the political primary sources anyway (including laws, regulation, speeches and academic papers). It is probably just not the best time for that, because emotions still define the discussion.
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Keep in mind that a lot of people aren't capable of understanding a lot of the source information. They base their opinions (and votes) on sound bites.
Politics is an emotional thing, particularly when you have a devisive character like trump (who it seems doesn't read all that source material either)

So I think it's unfair to expect this forum to be some kind of elite forum where just the elite are welcome to post. In fact it's snobbish
 
Ady87 said:
It's only anecdotal, however, from personal experience with Trump supporters I've met in person, I can see a distinct correlation between his support and lack of education. It's easy then, to carry that generalisation and apply it in places it simply doesn't always exist, such as the Internet. It's sometimes hard to reset after a conversation that results in despair.



The bolded part concerns me as it's something I've noticed and it seems to unite the supporter base too.



:rolleyes:
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I'm pretty sure it isn't just anecdotal.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.blo...tion-level-sharply-divides-clinton-trump-race

Which I guess would go some way towards explaining the strain of anti-intellectualism that runs through the Trump phenomenon.
 


Does he still harbour some belief that Bernie supporters would actually find him anything other than abhorrent? It's so bizarre. Bernie himself delivers some of the sickest burns there are against him on twitter. I don't get it.

Edit: going after NYT again too. It's 6am there, right? This is the first thing he thinks to do when he wakes up? What did the NYT write about him today :D
 
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Does he still harbour some belief that Bernie supporters would actually find him anything other than abhorrent? It's so bizarre. Bernie himself delivers some of the sickest burns there are against him on twitter. I don't get it.

Edit: going after NYT again too. It's 6am there, right? This is the first thing he thinks to do when he wakes up? What did the NYT write about him today :D
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He thinks he's running against Hillary in 3 years.
 
unchanged_lineup said:


Does he still harbour some belief that Bernie supporters would actually find him anything other than abhorrent? It's so bizarre. Bernie himself delivers some of the sickest burns there are against him on twitter. I don't get it.

Edit: going after NYT again too. It's 6am there, right? This is the first thing he thinks to do when he wakes up? What did the NYT write about him today :D
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Highest level of insecurity I have ever seen on a person over 40y.o combined with a Saudi Arabian-like reserve of anger ... this could go on till he drops dead.
 
Cal? said:
He thinks he's running against Hillary in 3 years.
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Request for content, threadfolks: in American history, has anyone been so focused on re-election so early? Is is normal to hold rallies and ask for campaign contributions like this? Are there any parallels in American history for someone who seems so unfocused on the job at hand?
 
unchanged_lineup said:


Does he still harbour some belief that Bernie supporters would actually find him anything other than abhorrent? It's so bizarre. Bernie himself delivers some of the sickest burns there are against him on twitter. I don't get it.

Edit: going after NYT again too. It's 6am there, right? This is the first thing he thinks to do when he wakes up? What did the NYT write about him today :D
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It's probably to wind up the Bernie supporters. After all, IMO there lack of support for Hillary is what gave this election to Trump. It's almost as if Bernie's supporters passively voted Trump into the White House. Now he's just sticking it to them.
 
Traub said:
It's probably to wind up the Bernie supporters. After all, IMO there lack of support for Hillary is what gave this election to Trump. It's almost as if Bernie's supporters passively voted Trump into the White House. Now he's just sticking it to them.
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Not so sure about that. His tweets in the past were as if on Bernie's side vs Clinton, and he's kept that up. I think he thinks they all voted for him once Bernie lost the nomination. This being despite how much Bernie obviously hates him.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Not so sure about that. His tweets in the past were as if on Bernie's side vs Clinton, and he's kept that up. I think he thinks they all voted for him once Bernie lost the nomination. This being despite how much Bernie obviously hates him.
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Ya you probably right. I've given him way too much credit.
 
Wow, nearly three pages of discussion about the content in this thread, although some of it was interesting to read, it's taken the thread wildly off topic for nearly 24 hours and I think it ultimately just went round in circles.

Anyway, the Dark Lord has spoken...........





Dig dig dig.....
 
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unchanged_lineup said:
Not so sure about that. His tweets in the past were as if on Bernie's side vs Clinton, and he's kept that up. I think he thinks they all voted for him once Bernie lost the nomination. This being despite how much Bernie obviously hates him.
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They have a few things in common. Both are anti-establishment and got a hostile press, both have identified the problem with the middle class. I don't think he's counting on support from Bernie fans, but he's trying to divide the Democrats between the Bernie part and the Wall Street part.
 
Traub said:
It's probably to wind up the Bernie supporters. After all, IMO there lack of support for Hillary is what gave this election to Trump. It's almost as if Bernie's supporters passively voted Trump into the White House. Now he's just sticking it to them.
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I personally found a lot of Bernie supporters politically illiterate during the campaign. Almost everyone of my Bernie friends went for Gary Johnson even when I tried to explain that they are totally opposite in their agendas.
I would have preferred Bernie to run as an independent, I imagine trump would of finished 3rd in a five person race. No mater what you say about that cnut Schultz and the DNC Hillary took the primary by four million votes, Democrates spoke, Sanders was pissed but instead of shitting his pants like his supporters he shaped the DNC platform to reflect his ideals not Hillarys. This was not the cycle for a protest vote, I shouted that from the rooftops as much as I could. They could have taken their revenge after the rapist was cast aside but decided to vote for someone who new nothing about nothing and we ended up with the worst person imaginable and a slew of people who want to tear down everything society has built over 70 years.
I think Perez and Ellison is a nice mix and judging by the outcry over the last few months the future is bright for the Dems, not so much the repugs. Districts will be redrawn in 2020 so it is imperative that the DNC takes back a few dozen governorships and I small majority in the senate, then a massive push for the house. Trump has to be a one term president and that's if he gets that far. My opinion is facism has come to America and this country must come together to fight for what is right.
 
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The whole thing appears like lives thrown away just so that Trump could score a 'win' and post f*cking tweets about his 'victory', his self-proclaimed can-do start to his presidency, and his supposed superiority over Obama. Regardless of my negative feelings about Trump, the above is how it honestly seems to me. Absolutely disgraceful, and a frightening suggestion of things to come.
 
SteveJ said:
The whole thing appears like lives thrown away just so that Trump could score a 'win' and post f*cking tweets about his 'victory', his self-proclaimed can-do start to his presidency, and his supposed superiority over Obama. Regardless of my negative feelings about Trump, the above is how it honestly seems to me. Absolutely disgraceful, and a frightening suggestion of things to come.
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Throw in too the reports that this was undertaken deliberately because Obama had decided against it while still president, and it starts to look very unseemly.
 
SteveJ said:
The whole thing appears like lives thrown away just so that Trump could score a 'win' and post f*cking tweets about his 'victory', his self-proclaimed can-do start to his presidency, and his supposed superiority over Obama. Regardless of my negative feelings about Trump, the above is how it honestly seems to me. Absolutely disgraceful, and a frightening suggestion of things to come.
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Throw in too the reports that this was undertaken deliberately because Obama had decided against it while still president, and it starts to look very unseemly.
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Exactly right, don't forget there are valid reports suggesting that Trump wasn't even present in the operations room when the raid was going down, apparently he was at home Tweeting and then in bed asleep. When you put all the evidence together and add in the White House saying nobody should question the events, it all adds up to a very sad and grisly tale, and once again Trump himself comes out of it looking uglier and more inept than ever. If Obama had been in charge when this went down can you imagine the shit he would be getting? Especially from the Republicans and Fox News, the death of a Navy Seal is big news to them, but so far they seem to be happy to brush this one under the carpet.
 
Dan said:
I wonder if he'll be live tweeting the Oscars tonight.
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'Just seen this on Fox: Manchester by the Sea is a no-go zone for cops. As is La La Land!'
 
GiddyUp said:
My opinion is facism has come to America and this country must come together to fight for what is right.
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Since 2001 we've witnessed the patriot act approved unread by parlement because criticism of the government was unpatriottic in that climate. We've seen them wage a war on a false pretext, we've seen an obedient media, we've seen illegal surveillance of all citizens, we've seen a violent and militarized police, we've seen the state with a license to murder, we've seen antiterrorism laws and violence used against the peaceful protesters of OWS, we've seen a very cosy relationship between big business and the government. Exactly what box of fascism-indicators does Trump check that wasn't already checked by Bush and Obama?
 


37 days 140 False or misleading claims.

Talking of Oscars and thinking of the headline I have just quoted, when this is all over and the inevitable film comes out, people just aren't going to believe it at all. Seriously, whoever plays Trump is going to be reading the script and thinking to himself "fack orf! there's no way he said that" :lol:
 
I agree almost entirely with Brwned. I read this thread, like most people, pretty much every day. It's a great amalgamation of interesting news sources and opinion, but the level of discourse can sometimes suffer as a result of people being too outraged.

I'm not saying the outrage isn't genuine, because I do believe that it is, I'm just not sure it's merited all of the time. Trump is a disaster, but not everything he does is a world ending event.


Just my two cents, don't hang me :D
 
Cheesy said:
It's only dominated by the left-wing if you view anything that isn't Trump as being left-wing. @Raoul supported Hilary but considered Rubio at one point. He's probably somewhere around the centre, as are most people who were big supporters of Hilary. @MTF is heavily critical of Trump but is more small government on economic matters. I'm pretty sure @MrMarcello isn't overly left-wing either, but I could be wrong.
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I tend to lean more left these days versus during my lesser educated, more irrational younger days growing up in Texas under a limited exposure of the real world and how persons from all over the world live and think differently. I believe this is the biggest detriment to US citizens which forms a closed minded nature of many, that coupled with many desiring to reside within what is normal to them (i.e. family, friends of similar beliefs/backgrounds, etc.). An overwhelming number of US citizens live within 200 miles of where he/she grew up, and few ever travel outside a certain geographic range let alone outside the US.

My travels around the globe through my Air Force service in combination with advanced education, the internet, and even this forum, have allowed me to experience and view other cultures and whatnot. I tend to label myself a humanist in that I see the beauty of humanity while also seeing the ignorance and selfishness of. This is probably why I tend to vote/favor Dems (in the US) because on the surface this party seems to care slightly more about the people on the whole (versus just being a white Christian) albeit still corporatist whores like the Reps. At least that's my view.
 
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