Well I don't really have her network. I don't live in the US. And the fact that she broke it would mean that other news outlets would have started to cover it. I don't cycle through every 24 hr news network, figured once one broke it they would start to report on it as it's news. Just like when WP breaks a story or NYT it creeps around to the rest of the media and they give credit to the source. I just find it strange that CNN hasn't spoken on it much if at all. If true this is huge man.
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No idea man, maybe they want to verify/falsify it independently since it's a big story.
I completely take your point that it's much easier to complain than it is to add genuine value to the discussion, but surely you can understand that the tone of the discussion and the atmosphere it generates plays a fundamental role in the inclusiveness of it? It doesn't feel very welcoming to people who don't want to join in the back-slapping. Something about it just feels a bit cliquey. Apologies if that's vague or seems pointlessly confrontational, but I am trying to make a genuine point which I can't quite seem to articulate fully.
Everyone acknowledges that the thread isn't welcoming to Trump supporters, and most people acknowledge that it's a bit of a shame that "the other side" don't have a real voice in here, but what I think is overlooked is that there are many people that are concerned about Trump or are full-on anti-Trump that don't want to get involved in the discussion either for very similar reasons.
I thought it's been pretty well established at this stage that the internet and the news media are an exaggerated form of every day discussions on important issues, so I don't really agree with your first point. I'm sure we operate in very different circles, and my circles are by no means vast in size, but I happily chat away with people right across the political spectrum - and by that I don't mean silly outdated labels like democrats and republicans, I mean people that are politically apathetic and apolitical right through to people that live and breath politics. The way the discussion's represented in here is not remotely reflective of every day discussions in my experience.
For one thing it's intensely weighted towards people "on the left", as they say. That's generally acknowledged on here. It's also dominated by a small group of individuals. In a thread with almost 25,000 replies, it's quite significant that over 10% of those posts come from just two people. It's not unique - the internet's very good at creating all of these echo chambers, for obvious reasons - but it is worth acknowledging. I can't understand how you can talk about the media operating in an echo chamber without appreciating the same is true here.
I understand that these are people's genuine responses to the various Trump stories. I do think they're exagerrated for effect and I do think they replicate the presentation style of the news media that people binge on, but at their core they are genuine responses. Is there really any value to repeating that same reaction, though? Does it really add anything to the discussion? At this point anyone that has read the thread with any degree of regularity can predict a large portion of the regular contributors' responses as soon as an event takes place. In fact in some cases it seems like people artificially twist the narrative to fit that basic reaction template. Does it need to be reiterated? Is it really that important for people to repeat almost identical messages on a multitude of topics?
This isn't the real world. It's the internet. It's a football forum where things that get said don't really matter. If we're talking about people going out in the real world and repeating their responses on a daily, weekly or monthly basis to a multitude of Trump's actions, for example in the form of protesting, then I personally see a great deal of value in that. It almost seems like you're trying to conflate things like that with what happens on here. I don't see any value to people repeating themselves constantly here. Perhaps it's valuable for the individuals but I don't see the value it represents to the discussion or the community.
As for what my contribution is to all of this...it's largely non-existent, whether we're talking about in this thread or in the real world. I've never tried to suggest otherwise so I don't know why you'd get defensive on that point. I don't have an intellectual high ground. I'm largely apolitical and I don't have remotely the same breadth of knowledge on the subject that someone like @Raoul for example does. That's a significant part of the reason why my contribution to this thread is minimal. I personally think it'd be beneficial if people took the time to reflect on whether they're adding anything to the discussion or whether they're just ranting and raving to satisfy themselves, whether that's just in blowing off steam or actively seeking out some back-slapping. That's just my view though. I'd think the thread would still be very active - Trump's doing a good job of that on his own and the 24hr news media are consolidating that - but the discussion would be a little more palatable and inclusive.
It is...and it isnt.
How important did you think Reince Priebus was? How much influence do you think he had when Trump was tearing the Republican party apart in the primaries?
Even now, he is where he is...because, that was Trump throwing the establishment Republicans a bone.
Having said all that...I do think the DNC Chair is important for the party and mid term elections. You need a voice to unite the party and get down to working on the nitty gritty of identifying what seats need saving...what seats can be gained...
Pelosi and Co. won't do that...
Perez is the winner. Ellison made deputy chair.
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Perez makes Ellison deputy chairman.Great move
Aww, that's cute.
Was wondering if he could do that earlier.
@Brwned great post.
@Neutral Thanks!
Very honest, and encouraging too.
r/S4P is pissed, but it's also completely invaded by r/T_Donald, so I'm not sure what's genuine and what isn't.
@berbatrick whats r/S4P? They're private sub and I'm not sure I want to message the mods requesting access..
Sanders For President?
Sanders for President I think. Had the same problem as you and it took me a couple minutes to work it out
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https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5w1ygs/dear_the_donald_why_you_censoring_weed_posts/
The problem with Trump polarising discussion isn't restricted here. Reddit has become 2 giant bubbles - r/the_donals, r/uncensored_news, r/european on one side; r/enoughtrumpspam, r/politics on the other. Both sides will never talk.
I think it's partly to do with his incredible campaign, it was policy-free and rhetoric-heavy, and so all discussions about him tend to be the same.
@Brwned
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5w1ygs/dear_the_donald_why_you_censoring_weed_posts/
The problem with Trump polarising discussion isn't restricted here. Reddit has become 2 giant bubbles - r/the_donals, r/uncensored_news, r/european on one side; r/enoughtrumpspam, r/politics on the other. Both sides will never talk.
I think it's partly to do with his incredible campaign, it was policy-free and rhetoric-heavy, and so all discussions about him tend to be the same.
Sanders for President I think. Had the same problem as you and it took me a couple minutes to work it out
Yes, I used to be a regular there till about May last year when it became toxic (hate Hillary more than anything, Trump supporters or infiltrators, general ignorance driving out the older posters)
Here's the kind of thing I was talking about. Sunflower Soul used to be an aide for Hillary when she was much younger, and she just simply refuses to mix with the Bernie supporters, like this tweet, she is always attacking Bernie too. And there are countless followers on either side, she's posted pics of her on a march with thousands of Hillary fans. It just shows how fragmented the party is still. She flat out blames Bernie for Trumps win, and she's always defending Hillary from people blaming her for Trumps win, it's crazy really.
Yeah that's just douchey. Maybe it's because I'm used to the UK Labour battles that the Dem differences seem so small fry, but it really does seem a little mad.
Most definitely, but a perfect example of what the Dems have to sort out if they are to move on. There are Bernie supporters on the other side who are equally as idiotic and it seems they all just want to argue with each other and blame each other for Trumps win, it's just insane. You can see why many Trump supporters just sit and laugh at it all when they see shit like this.
Scary to think someone who behaves like that used to be an aide to Clinton. Whats her real name?
I'm sorry @Brwned but that post is a load of rubbish.
This thread is dominated by one main theme because that is the way that the majority of intelligent and well spoken individuals think. Academics are under attack. The free press is under attack. The very ideals that we want to preserve as a democratic and fair country are under attack.
It is way too easy to see people agreeing and say "circle jerk". It is simple to see people criticising Trump and say "unfair coverage". At the end of the day what he is doing and saying is abhorrent. The people who are "scared " in this thread are scared for good reason.
Republicans are cancelling their meetings with their own constituents because they are scared of what they are saying. They have clearly colluded with a regime that has horrific human rights abuse.
I am tired of false equivalency and moral outrage. Sure some discussions against Trump are over the top but the man is fecking dangerous. I am annoyed that everyone agreeing one way against a fecking dickhead is seen as a circle jerk. It's easy to just say "it should be more equal" without criticising any posts.
Edit: gone a bit over the top on brwned. Sorry about that.
This thread is dominated by one main theme because that is the way that the majority of intelligent and well spoken individuals think. Academics are under attack. The free press is under attack. The very ideals that we want to preserve as a democratic and fair country are under attack.
It is way too easy to see people agreeing and say "circle jerk". It is simple to see people criticising Trump and say "unfair coverage". At the end of the day what he is doing and saying is abhorrent. The people who are "scared " in this thread are scared for good reason.
Republicans are cancelling their meetings with their own constituents because they are scared of what they are saying. They have clearly colluded with a regime that has horrific human rights abuse.
I am tired of false equivalency and moral outrage. Sure some discussions against Trump are over the top but the man is fecking dangerous. I am annoyed that everyone agreeing one way against a fecking dickhead is seen as a circle jerk. It's easy to just say "it should be more equal" without criticising any posts.
Edit: gone a bit over the top on brwned. Sorry about that.
You've misunderstood. As far as I can tell Trump's a buffon, a lunatic and him being in such a powerful position presents a very real threat to American democratic institutions and society more generally. I despair at the fact so many people thought he was in any way capable of taking on such a responsibility and it saddens me even more that people continue to blindly defend plainly absurd decisions on his part. It's comforting to find I'm on the same page as the majority of people on here. I just feel like that sentiment gets hammered over and over and over again and thoughtful discussion can often take a back seat. After a while it adds clutter rather than value, in my view.
Tom Perez gets elected...Wikileaks pipes up
So Perez beat Ellison? The Democratic leaning towards the centre again.
I have no idea about your agenda or political views, but I daresay you won't be so laxadaisal when one of Trump's policies deeply affects you or your family. I'm sure at that stage you'll have plenty of energy repeating the same outrage. Same goes to @Brwned
Do you have any idea or empathy on how long it took for women or black people to get equal rights in USA, how long it took India to rid themselves of British colonial rule or for Mandela to lead black south Africans out of apartheid? These groups did so because a deep commitment and repetition to a cause. We're are only one month into a potential fascist movement and you guys are already bored.
I wont assume you're part of the internet millennial generation, but sadly so many young people have no comprehension on what true subjugation can look like and just how hard it is to remove once it gains power. Perhaps you have no idea how lucky you are to enjoy the freedoms that you have today.
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I have no idea, all I know is she worked for her years ago when Clinton first got in to Politics and they have remained friends, from what I can tell from the posts and replies etc.
Yeah fair enough. I find it interesting to read it but I agree we have to be careful not to manifacture outrage everytime.
Funny how many of us get accused of circle jerking and back slapping in here, then someone right leaning calls it out and what happens? A load of circle jerking and back slapping.
Reminds of the Labour leadership contest last year when Owen Smith said he will offer Corbyn the role of President of The Labour Party had he beaten him, a role completely made up on the spot and would have no influence on policy. Still it's better that the Bernie supporters find out now that the Democratic can't be moved rather than a few(wasted)years later.
I appreciate what you are saying but you must see that it's very difficult for this thread to remain objective and measured when there are developments happening sometimes on an hourly basis that under any other administration would be front page news. It's important that we never get to a point where this behaviour is normalised.
We are a bit of a cliquey thread, I think. Largely because a number of us are obsessed with Trump (I'd argue justifiably) and that's probably alienating to those who aren't.
Not sure I agree that it inhibits the substance, though.
Not sure I agree that it inhibits the substance, though.
There deserves to be a meta thread about the trump thread.
Trump's is a meta presidency, constantly interpreted and dissected by his own spokespeople
Do you really think channeling that energy onto a football forum, made up primarily of Irish and British folk, is an effective way to protect these liberties we naively take for granted? If you were being challenged on the purpose of protesting among large groups across the world over and over again, that kind of response would make sense. This discussion is about something entirely different and that kind of false equivalence only confuses the discussion. I suppose we can't let logic get in the way of assumptions and unsubstantiated insults though - not in this thread. It's your very own homage to Trump.
To be fair to Sammsky, he's been at actual protests in England, Scotland (I think?) and the US
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