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Ubik said:
Donald Trump, February 2016 "I want to keep pre-existing conditions. I think we need it. I think it’s a modern age. And I think we have to have it."
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I think he's talking about keeping more than just that. The idea of throwing millions off their health insurance with no suitable replacement would be a disaster, and I'm sure the likes of Obama and Bill Clinton mentioned it. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump lean more and more on both Obama and Clinton after he takes office.
 
Raoul said:
I think he's talking about keeping more than just that. The idea of throwing millions off their health insurance with no suitable replacement would be a disaster, and I'm sure the likes of Obama and Bill Clinton mentioned it. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump lean more and more on both Obama and Clinton after he takes office.
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Well, wasn't he a democrat at some point?
 
JPRouve said:
Well, wasn't he a democrat at some point?
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He's had Dem leanings on a lot of policies in the past, in fact for much of his professional life.

If he gets rid of Bannon and starts using former Presidents for advice, then his stock will soar going forward.
 
Raoul said:
I think he's talking about keeping more than just that. The idea of throwing millions off their health insurance with no suitable replacement would be a disaster, and I'm sure the likes of Obama and Bill Clinton mentioned it. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump lean more and more on both Obama and Clinton after he takes office.
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Tbf he always said he would repeal and replace Obamacare. But he never said what he would replace it with. Replace is code for keep some parts and get rid of some I reckon.

GOP will simply repackage the remaining parts as Trumpcare and take credit for it. Hope the Dems don't let them get away with the credit.

The only reason GOP hate Obamacare is because it has Obama's name in front of it.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Tbf he always said he would repeal and replace Obamacare. But he never said what he would replace it with. Replace is code for keep some parts and get rid of some I reckon.

GOP will simply repackage the remaining parts as Trumpcare and take credit for it. Hope the Dems don't let them get away with the credit.
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He was talking out of his arse. He knew Obama care was a massive vote getter among the conservative right and squeezed every vote out of the right by claiming he would get rid of it. Now that he's becoming Pres, as predicted, he is backtracking.
 
Sounds more and more like he just said most of the stuff he said to get votes. Important to remember he's been an independent / liberal / democrat for a lot longer than he's been a republican...
 
rpitroda said:
Not for some point, but actually for a majority of the time.
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I know it was kind of rhetorical but badly turned. I don't know at what point he joined the republicans though.
 
JPRouve said:
I know it was kind of rhetorical but badly turned. I don't know at what point he joined the republicans though.
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Since about 2009. He had a year in between as an independent (11-12). Before that he was democrat from 01.

Edit: he was republican before that though so actually I was wrong to say it's a majority of his time. Stilll a fairly substantial amount of time though.
 
Raoul said:
Apparently Obama incepted him during their 90 minute meeting yesterday. Oh and he also spoke to Bill Clinton by phone. I have a sneaking suspicion those two are up to something.

Next thing that won't happen is the wall and mass deportations.

At that point the triumvirate of right wing policies the alt-right and conservative media hailed him for will be in tatters - a mere 90 days before he even becomes President.
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So...they'll act all friendly to him, massage his ego, and throw in little sneaking policy suggestions in the meantime as he starts to warm/rewarm to them? Clever, actually...could see it having an impact to an extent based on how egotistic the man is, and how much he'll start listening to anyone who massages that ego.
 
Raoul said:
Apparently Obama incepted him during their 90 minute meeting yesterday. Oh and he also spoke to Bill Clinton by phone. I have a sneaking suspicion those two are up to something.

Next thing that won't happen is the wall and mass deportations.

At that point the triumvirate of right wing policies the alt-right and conservative media hailed him for will be in tatters - a mere 90 days before he even becomes President.
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Yet he's putting right-wing nutjobs into cabinet positions, at least rumored to be doing so. If he does that then how would he manage to pull towards the center?
 
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Raoul said:
Apparently Obama incepted him during their 90 minute meeting yesterday. Oh and he also spoke to Bill Clinton by phone. I have a sneaking suspicion those two are up to something.

Next thing that won't happen is the wall and mass deportations.

At that point the triumvirate of right wing policies the alt-right and conservative media hailed him for will be in tatters - a mere 90 days before he even becomes President.
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You're too optimistic mate.
 
I really think that the only big problem of Trump's presidency will be global change, which he doesn't take too much seriously, although he might backtrack a bit there.

He will be a better president than Bush IMO, and a basically independent guy winning an election was something that might shake (for the good) the entire US politics.
 
Raoul said:
:lol: Well there you have it folks.

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So he and the Republicans do not have a clue what they would replace it with. Knowing him the part he would change would be the name Obamacare to Trumpcare.
 
Drifter said:
So he and the Republicans do not have a clue what they would replace it with
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More or less. I'm guessing Obama explained this to him yesterday and Trump, who probably hadn't thought it through before, now understands that it would a total disaster! if they repeal it and millions who benefited from it suddenly get booted off their health plans.
 
It is quite possible that the ACA has to be changed one way or another in the next 4 years, because it is not sustainable in the current form. It is sadly just a question of "when" and not "if" it crumbles.
 
JPRouve said:
Well, wasn't he a democrat at some point?
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I said it all along, he used the GOP votes to get to office. He would've probably ran as an independent, but why do that when you can mobilize millions of frustrated republican voters who otherwise would've voted for Ted Cruz? He holds conservative views in regards to national safety, but deep inside he's still a good old northeastern liberal on most social issues. I won't be surprised if he ends up being the republican Bernie Sanders.
 
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/obamacare-medicare-medicaid-trump-election/

Trump’s views on health care are inchoate, derivative, and largely irrelevant. While he has occasionally praised the benefits of single-payer plans in the past (going so far as to laud the Canadian system and the Scottish NHS), he now largely serves up typical conservative talking points.

The danger, therefore, is not in some unique Trumpian health care vision, but in the successful enactment of the GOP’s health care agenda: repealing major provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and/or replacing it with an ostensibly more market-driven system.

As Sarah Kliff writes at Vox, Republicans already passed a bill (vetoed by Obama) that would have repealed the major insurance coverage provisions in the ACA, which could potentially strip some 22 million people of health insurance.

This would be tantamount to a humanitarian disaster: suddenly wresting insurance from this many people could kill upwards of twenty thousand people a year (methods for this rough calculation are here). And of course, such carnage would disproportionately affect the usual victims: the working class and racial minorities.

Whether Republicans would actually seek to pass such a bloodthirsty law, however, is unclear, and there are many reasons to be skeptical (it could be very politically damaging and adversely affect key health care industry players, to name just two).

But at the very least, it seems probable that Republicans will attempt to roll back the ACA’s coverage expansion in some way, while at the same time “reforming” the system along conservative, market-based lines. For a taste of what they will likely pursue, unimpeded by Obama’s veto, we can turn to the health care blueprint of Paul Ryan and the House Republicans.

Released in June, the thirty-seven-page document outlines a package of policy proposals — much of it based on long-established health care policy ideas — that would advance so-called “consumer-driven healthcare” (e.g. health-savings accounts), partially shred the health safety net, privatize Medicare, and increase profits for Big Pharma at the expense of public health.

Some of these ideas have bipartisan roots. For instance, Ryan and company want to limit the tax exclusion for employer-provided health insurance plans — a more drastic version of the ACA’s “Cadillac Tax,” which penalizes workers with more comprehensive health plans. In addition, the Republicans wish to promote and expand “workplace wellness” — occasionally Orwellian programs that the ACA also favored.

At the same time, Ryan calls for weakening the ACA’s protections for those with pre-existing conditions (he’d only protect those who maintain continuous coverage), and undermining Medicaid coverage by reducing and restructuring federal funding and giving greater control to the states.

Perhaps most destructively, the GOP blueprint effectively advocates ending Medicare, by “transforming the benefit into a fully competitive market-based model” that it calls “premium support.”
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Ryan has alreaddy spoken about privatising Medicaid.
 
Raoul said:
Apparently Obama incepted him during their 90 minute meeting yesterday. Oh and he also spoke to Bill Clinton by phone. I have a sneaking suspicion those two are up to something.

Next thing that won't happen is the wall and mass deportations.

At that point the triumvirate of right wing policies the alt-right and conservative media hailed him for will be in tatters - a mere 90 days before he even becomes President.
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Try not to get ahead of yourself on every word Trump says between now and January. There will be a lot of back and forth before we see any coherent strategy or firm policy announcements.
 
Fener1907 said:
So, Americans are taking to the streets to voice their disapproval of the outcome. I wonder how long they'll continue to protest and kick and scream in general. It'll change nothing in terms of him becoming the next president, but it's somewhat fascinating to see how events unfold from here.

On a more personal note, I'm happy with the outcome in terms of what it means for Turkey. Clinton wouldn't have been good for the country, and would no doubt have acted as a hangover of the Obama administration, fanning the flames and antagonising our dear leader. I hope Trump deports Fethullah Gülen. That man deserves his comeuppance.
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/11/t...cure-company-with-ties-to-turkish-government/
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Try not to get ahead of yourself on every word Trump says between now and January. There will be a lot of back and forth before we see any coherent strategy or firm policy announcements.
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I'd agree and even in primaries, Trump put out some positions that would not be popular with his base, only to quickly go back to the drawing board judging the reactions. I'm a bit taken aback by the number of people who think he'll somehow turn into an independent candidate. He is obviously going to do something for the people who voted him in, instead of the people who didn't vote for him. That's a given. Trump and his family lives in New York and he's also rich. Any law that he enacts isn't going to really hurt him. Does anyone think he's going to hold back on abortion because of his 'liberal' views? I think he'll do what every politician does, try to be in power and look for compromises. His compromise will have to be with his base.

He has promised to repeal trade deals, spend on infrastructure (not typically Republican positions) and promised to fill Supreme Court with conservative judges, get rid of/severely limit regulatory bodies like EPA, repeal ACA, promote fossil fuels like coal and satisfy his evangelical base with measures on abortion, LGBT and few other lifestyle choices. If I were to guess, to satisfy his republican base after repealing trade deals and more money on infrastructure, he'll fulfill his promise on the Supreme Court, gun control measures and give full control on abortion and lifestyle choices to the individual states. This will keep both the groups reasonably pacified, while he can tout his deal making.

I'm not sure how he'll approach ACA, fossil fuels and climate change issues. He can go either way depending on the way his base reacts. Two of his most controversial programs were Mexican wall and muslim immigration. He may kill Syrian refugee intake alone and do nothing more on Muslim immigration. I can't guess what he does on Mexico wall as well. He'll probably let it die a slow death. Another worry is that if there are too complaints, he'll revert back to type by using incendiary remarks to detract attention on his rule.

I don't even want to guess what he does with his foreign policy.
 
People are in for even more shocks if they think he is suddenly going to turn into Hillary Clinton with a bit more hairspray.

He ran because he does not like the way his country is going. He is hardly going to fall in line.
 
Raoul said:
Apparently Obama incepted him during their 90 minute meeting yesterday. Oh and he also spoke to Bill Clinton by phone. I have a sneaking suspicion those two are up to something.

Next thing that won't happen is the wall and mass deportations.

At that point the triumvirate of right wing policies the alt-right and conservative media hailed him for will be in tatters - a mere 90 days before he even becomes President.
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Have a word with yourself. The amount of spin you are trying to put on this is just scary.
 
DFreshKing said:
People are in for even more shocks if they think he is suddenly going to turn into Hillary Clinton with a bit more hairspray.

He ran because he does not like the way his country is going. He is hardly going to fall in line.
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I think he ran because he's an ego-maniac who likes the idea of being pres tbh.
 
don't understand all the tears from Dems.
They gained seats in the house. 2 in the Senate. The GOP only has 51 seats now.
Trump is more an independent than your hard line Republican. He is not going to simply accept the instructions of a party that totally rejected him.
Being from NY he probably knows Schumer a lot better than McConnel.
Unless the GOP plan to use the nucklear option the Dems can filibuster any hard right SC nominee.

Finally these riots/demonstrations. Why be mad at Trump.
Be mad at Hillary for losing to the anti-candidate she ridiculed.
 
Red Dreams said:
don't understand all the tears from Dems.
They gained seats in the house. 2 in the Senate. The GOP only has 51 seats now.
Trump is more an independent than your hard line Republican. He is not going to simply accept the instructions of a party that totally rejected him.
Being from NY he probably knows Schumer a lot better than McConnel.
Unless the GOP plan to use the nucklear option the Dems can filibuster any hard right SC nominee.

Finally these riots/demonstrations. Why be mad at Trump.
Be mad at Hillary for losing to the anti-candidate she ridiculed.
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Oh you know, maybe for the way he race baited Obama for a few years, the way he racially abused Mexicans, the way he mocked the disabled, the frequent misogyny, the tax plan that benefits the 1%, the pledge to bring back torture, the new records set for lying in a campaign, his bragging about not paying taxes, the many businesses he's screwed over the years, stiffing contractors he was supposed to pay... That kinda stuff.

Nah, let's be mad at Clinton instead. Makes sense.
 
Ubik said:
Oh you know, maybe for the way he race baited Obama for a few years, the way he racially abused Mexicans, the way he mocked the disabled, the frequent misogyny, the tax plan that benefits the 1%, the pledge to bring back torture, the new records set for lying in a campaign, his bragging about not paying taxes, the many businesses he's screwed over the years, stiffing contractors he was supposed to pay... That kinda stuff.

Nah, let's be mad at Clinton instead. Makes sense.
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I can't let you say that, waterboarding isn't torture.:)

Edit: You forgot to mention the Trump University.
 
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