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Forgive me, but isn't there a bunch of fences to separate Mexico and the US , with guards on both sides and all to stop illegal immigrants entering the country?

A proper wall needs a moat and crocodiles or it is no good.

Sharks with frickin' laser beams!

SteveJ, it's about the sharks. When you were busy posting, they were put on the endangered species list. We tried to get some, but it would've taken months to clear up the red tape.

So based on the non-answers and attempting pivots and hyperboles, that's a errr yes then....?
 
Are you Corey Lewandowski? Isn't it too early for all this gloating?
I have no skin in the game, I can't even vote, no affiliation to the nation per se.
But people laughing it all off or making hyperbole statements, or using their outlandish opinions as facts of how it will turn out, winds ME up!

I'd rather an intellectual analysis of why these types of events are happening across the globe.
 
That's quite an accusation. I am merely using facts to make a point or attempting to discredit yours (and others).

Opinions that are stated as facts wind me up: 'oh the world is going to blow up now' 'he's a buffoon who'll start WW3 by accident' etc etc
and your 'he's such a thicko' - ummm sorry, whatever your opinion, he has a net worth others can only dream of, and he's become the most powerful man on the planet (albeit in waiting).

Let's not let the facts get in the way.

So you are wound up by an opinion on this forum that you want to wind them up in return? Isn't that the definition of a WUM?
 
That's quite an accusation. I am merely using facts to make a point or attempting to discredit yours (and others).

Opinions that are stated as facts wind me up: 'oh the world is going to blow up now' 'he's a buffoon who'll start WW3 by accident' etc etc
and your 'he's such a thicko' - ummm sorry, whatever your opinion, he has a net worth others can only dream of, and he's become the most powerful man on the planet (albeit in waiting).

Let's not let the facts get in the way.

I never bought into the "He is going to start WWIII" nonsense. He is an isolationist. Hillary was more likely to start wars. Though there was no fear of her blowing up the world either.

Other than some of the crazy stuff he has said...and unfortunately incited he seems a moderate Republican in policy terms or what he advocates.
Immigration, Jobs and Health seem to be his priority.

Lets see what he does.

The fact is he has pretty much said he needs help and has said he will be seeking Obama's council. He is not making a mistake there.

I don't want to prejudge him. We should give him a chance.
 
So you are wound up by an opinion on this forum that you want to wind them up in return? Isn't that the definition of a WUM?
A counter argument or playing the devil's advocate to display the other side of the argument, I say....
 
I have no skin in the game, I can't even vote, no affiliation to the nation per se.
But people laughing it all off or making hyperbole statements, or using their outlandish opinions as facts of how it will turn out, winds ME up!

I'd rather an intellectual analysis of why these types of events are happening across the globe.

Well if you want an intellectual analysis, the first thing you have to do is be intellectual yourself. Whatever man, knock yourself out.
 
I never bought into the "He is going to start WWIII" nonsense. He is an isolationist. Hillary was more likely to start wars. Though there was no fear of her blowing up the world either.

Other than some of the crazy stuff he has said...and unfortunately incited he seems a moderate Republican in policy terms or what he advocates.
Immigration, Jobs and Health seem to be his priority.

Lets see what he does.

The fact is he has pretty much said he needs help and has said he will be seeking Obama's council. He is not making a mistake there.

I don't want to prejudge him. We should give him a chance.
absolutely fair.
 
Looking at individual polls makes little sense, because there are so many and nobody can credibly claim to know which one is getting it right. So the more rational approach is to look at these aggregated models that various different people/groups create.

Logic dictates, that the bigger the uncertainty is (depends at least to some extend on time), the closer should the model oscillate around the 50% line for each candidate. Consequently, when you are early in the election-cycle, swings should be smaller as well. It would be interesting to review the output of all these different models and look which one follow these basic ideas. Probably non, which should tell us something about these models……

Unless ofcourse there are systemic issues with each input poll (their estimating of turnout of different groups)
 
Well if you want an intellectual analysis, the first thing you have to do is be intellectual yourself. Whatever man, knock yourself out.
Please don't tell me, or tell yourself that this thread or the Election thread was anything other than a Hillary love-fest. Was almost impossible to get a word in without being ridiculed IMHO.
 
Please don't tell me, or tell yourself that this thread or the Election thread was anything other than a Hillary love-fest. Was almost impossible to get a word in without being ridiculed IMHO.

You did see the months and months in which people wanted Sanders instead of her, right? And the widespread recognition that she was an average candidate, but one who people felt was a much better choice than Trump?
 
He's changed his opinions to whatever suits his own agenda - now he's in a proper position of power and has the Republicans on his side, he has no need to pander or listen to Democrats.

If there's an issue on which the Dems agree with him, then sure, don't be obstructive for the sake of it, but the opposition should absolutely be making clear the fact that they don't like this man, don't agree with his views or with his abhorrent personality, and that they're going to do everything to hold him to account and represent the majority of Americans who did not want him at all to be in this position.

Bull. No British government in the last 50 years would have legitimacy if that were the criterion. Tony Blair entered Downing Street with an overall majority and only one third of the popular vote.

The US constitution is state based: the concept of a national majority is not relevant.
 
Please don't tell me, or tell yourself that this thread or the Election thread was anything other than a Hillary love-fest. Was almost impossible to get a word in without being ridiculed IMHO.

Be that as it may, are you a conservative or a liberal? If you are a conservative, your gloating is in bad taste. If you are a liberal who is gloating because you didn't like Hillary and would have liked to see someone else nominated, your posts here are incredibly blase. As I said, you are welcome to post however you like, I'm just telling you what I think of your posts.
 
Bull. No British government in the last 50 years would have legitimacy if that were the criterion. Tony Blair entered Downing Street with an overall majority and only one third of the popular vote.

The US constitution is state based: the concept of a national majority is not relevant.

No, but it can at least be argued that every government who's gone in (or at least most of them) has done so on the basis of being the most popular of the options available. I mean, I still think the current British system is shite and needs changing too, but it's a joke that Trump has won the electoral college by a comfortable margin whilst finishing second.

Even if it's state based, the electoral college gives clear advantages to small states over larger ones, as has already been discussed.
 
Be that as it may, are you a conservative or a liberal? If you are a conservative, your gloating is in bad taste. If you are a liberal who is gloating because you didn't like Hillary and would have liked to see someone else nominated, your posts here are incredibly blase. As I said, you are welcome to post however you like, I'm just telling you what I think of your posts.
I think he has already stated that he isn't aligned to any of those.
 
Looks like Bannon has an inside track to getting Chief of Staff.

Paul Ryan won't be happy.

Wonder what Republican Senate and house will do if Trump carries on with his infrastructure spending plan. I bet he'll tie it up with either a Obamacare repeal or some social issue amendment and everyone will praise is business acumen
 
Paul Ryan won't be happy.

Wonder what Republican Senate and house will do if Trump carries on with his infrastructure spending plan. I bet he'll tie it up with either a Obamacare repeal or some social issue amendment and everyone will praise is business acumen

Nor will Bannon once he learns he has to shave and wear a suit.
 
So based on the non-answers and attempting pivots and hyperboles, that's a errr yes then....?
never heard of pop-culture references? Anyway. How about you find out by driving there?

Whats shocking about Trump is not just what he said, but how he said it. Someone who struggles to articulate two coherent sentences in a row will also struggle to follow coherent thinking-patterns. Trump might have pretended to be a racist to get elected, but he certainly didn't pretend to be incredibly daft. He just is as stupid as it gets.
 
Be that as it may, are you a conservative or a liberal? If you are a conservative, your gloating is in bad taste. If you are a liberal who is gloating because you didn't like Hillary and would have liked to see someone else nominated, your posts here are incredibly blase. As I said, you are welcome to post however you like, I'm just telling you what I think of your posts.
I am neither, I am merely an observer - and I am a pragmatist.
 
never heard of pop-culture references? Anyway. How about you find out by driving there?

Whats shocking about Trump is not just what he said, but how he said it. Someone who struggles to articulate two coherent sentences in a row will also struggle to follow coherent thinking-patterns. Trump might have pretended to be a racist to get elected, but he certainly didn't pretend to be incredibly daft. He just is as stupid as it gets.
Based on....?
 
No, but it can at least be argued that every government who's gone in (or at least most of them) has done so on the basis of being the most popular of the options available. I mean, I still think the current British system is shite and needs changing too, but it's a joke that Trump has won the electoral college by a comfortable margin whilst finishing second.

Even if it's state based, the electoral college gives clear advantages to small states over larger ones, as has already been discussed.

But it's essentially just a bigger version of the UK system, with the focus on "swing states" instead of "marginal constituencies". Even with a straight majority vote, you would still get this urban v rural divide leading to large parts of the country feeling cheated (e.g. in the EU referendum, where London, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Edinburgh all voted stay, with Leeds 50:50).
 
Based on....?


Based on what he says. He struggles to keep his mind focused on a coherent thought for more than 30s. Either he just jumps between ideas or he repeats the same meaningless phrases over and over again. Just listen to the man. It is the same with someone like Sarah Palin.

Language tells you something about someone’s mind; especially when he lacks the filter that most people have.
 
Based on what he says. He struggles to keep his mind focused on a coherent thought for more than 30s. Either he just jumps between ideas or he repeats the same meaningless phrases over and over again. Just listen to the man. It is the same with someone like Sarah Palin.

Language tells you something about someone’s mind; especially when he lacks the filter that most people have.

Even if you can't pick up the obvious clues from watching him "debate", his biographer has already confirmed he's a half-wit with the attention span of a two year old.

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
 
In those days, Schwartz recalls, Trump was generally affable with reporters, offering short, amusingly immodest quotes on demand. Trump had been forthcoming with him during the New York interview, but it hadn’t required much time or deep reflection. For the book, though, Trump needed to provide him with sustained, thoughtful recollections. He asked Trump to describe his childhood in detail. After sitting for only a few minutes in his suit and tie, Trump became impatient and irritable. He looked fidgety, Schwartz recalls, “like a kindergartner who can’t sit still in a classroom.” Even when Schwartz pressed him, Trump seemed to remember almost nothing of his youth, and made it clear that he was bored. Far more quickly than Schwartz had expected, Trump ended the meeting.

Week after week, the pattern repeated itself. Schwartz tried to limit the sessions to smaller increments of time, but Trump’s contributions remained oddly truncated and superficial.

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit—or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trump’s inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” he said.
 
Just wow, now that is scary as the most powerful man on earth for 4 years. But I believe he won't make the mistake and will let some smarter people handle those complex topics then...
 
Be that as it may, are you a conservative or a liberal? If you are a conservative, your gloating is in bad taste. If you are a liberal who is gloating because you didn't like Hillary and would have liked to see someone else nominated, your posts here are incredibly blase. As I said, you are welcome to post however you like, I'm just telling you what I think of your posts.


Fair enough and see
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tru...ned-to-the-world.423596/page-16#post-20051762
 
I've just been reading about the "Redistricting" over the last 4 years in the US. To an outsider it looks similar to gerrymandering. What do you guys in the US think ?
 
That's quite an accusation. I am merely using facts to make a point or attempting to discredit yours (and others).

Opinions that are stated as facts wind me up: 'oh the world is going to blow up now' 'he's a buffoon who'll start WW3 by accident' etc etc
and your 'he's such a thicko' - ummm sorry, whatever your opinion, he has a net worth others can only dream of, and he's become the most powerful man on the planet (albeit in waiting).

Let's not let the facts get in the way.

You clearly haven't done a shred of reading or research on the subject.

Probably no surprise therefore that you come across as such a staggering ignoramus.

You'd have been a guaranteed additional vote for Trump if you had qualified. Lucky for him he didn't need you.
 
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