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Mockney said:
Of all the ridiculous things to come out of this heinously ridiculous election, the idea that the 'side' (for want of a better word) who've spent the last 8 years whining, complaining, shouting, hollering, protesting, fillibustering, gerrymandering, spreading conspiracy theories, stoking racism, blocking the process of government, and generally acting like spoiled hysterical children about everything because a (semi) liberal was in the White House, and Political correctness made their boorish dickishness slightly less fashionable (oppression!!!)....can now actually turn around, with a straight face, and tell the people who feel aggrieved by this change, that they need to shut up, buckle down and stop complaining, because THEY'RE being intolerant, is one of the most astonishingly ridiculous of all.

fecking hell. I mean seriously...F.ucking. Hell.

And that also applies to Brexit and the whole right wing global ascendancy, which has only been achieved trough the constant, hysterical, hyperbolic whinging of the very same people who now feel they can implore the other side to "take the high road" now they're finally in a position to do so.

I'm aware that for many of you, being dismissed as idiots or fascists by the righteous, hoity toity left, was a long standing, bitter bone of contention. But I'd have a lot more sympathy if you didn't make it so fecking easy.
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MarceloFalcon said:
Hey RD. Uncertain times, huh? I can tell you one crowd that's been feeling confident since Wednesday: bankers. The talk of Dodd-Frank getting rolled back, Jamie Dimon a candidate for SecTreas... I was joking about sending my resume to JP Morgan just today.
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:lol:

Though I did not vote for her, I would have far preferred her to win. But as I saw the returns come in I was not devasted she lost. You reap what you sow eh?
But why cry now.

I think the Dems will be back in 2 years. The members are much further left. The next nominee will reflect that.


As Obama said, we need to bring the country together. I hope we do come together.

For now Trump is the President Elect. Only he can take the steps to unite the country. Obama and Hillary have set the right tone.

Many people want this to happen.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Hey RD. Uncertain times, huh? I can tell you one crowd that's been feeling confident since Wednesday: bankers. The talk of Dodd-Frank getting rolled back, Jamie Dimon a candidate for SecTreas... I was joking about sending my resume to JP Morgan just today.
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Shhh. He's draining the swamp.


@Red Dreams
You voted for this man and believed (seems you still do) in him. This is what he thinks we should do:





 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
You do not understand why tons of minorities might be worried, considering the campaign that was just run. :wenger:

May not effect you, but a lot of other people have justification to be a little afraid.
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of course they are right to be afraid.

We cannot turn back the clock.

The key players in all this have to reassure All Americans.

They have started to do that.

This is a great country. We will not disintegrate now.
 
Red Defence said:
Yes, his ego wants the title of president badly but I doubt very much he wants the work involved or the responsibility. This is a man who does what he wants, when he wants, with who he wants and once the novelty of the title has worn off I doubt he's going to take kindly to round the clock secret service, constant meetings about things that don't interest him, loss of control over his life and serious issues landing on him by the bucket load.

He'll either become ill with the stress of it all or delegate virtually everything to others. Expect the Republican party to be the decision makers and Trump to be the one that goes along with whatever they say.
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I'd actually feel much better with him delegating most everything........if his VP wasn't an idiot.
 
Rado_N said:
Yea but you can't blame them apparently. For some reason.
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Because they won, obviously. Thems the rules. Unless the other side are winning, of course, when they're allowed to be as horrible and belligerent as possible, because FREEDOM!

And when they win, they not only get to be massively hypocritical about opposing attitudes, but they also get to absorb the ideas of tollerance and "going high" (you know, like how Obama encouraged a crowd to hear out a protesting Trump supporter, rather than how Trump encouraged a crowd to push out a wheelchair bound Democrat?) as their own convenient ideology, all of a sudden...because democracy is final now, and that's jinx proof, cos they've turned around and touched the ground and bagsied not it. Or something.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
May not effect you, but you do not understand why tons of minorities might be worried, considering the campaign that was just run.
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Exactly. An entire generation of teens have just been through an election where it became "the cool thing" to wear Trump shirts and bash on people who aren't white. Actually heard a kid this week try to argue that "brown people aren't citizens". Then you've got all this stuff going on in schools throughout the country this week where kids are passing out "deportation papers" to Hispanic kids... Are circling Hispanic kids and chanting "build the wall"... Are spray painting racial slurs everywhere, etc.
 
berbatrick said:
His policy platform continues to have the deportation and Muslim ban. He is now the president-elect, with a transition team in place.
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Yes but many of his policy platforms were both logically and logistically impossible. Given that, we have yet to see what he will actually do in the real world rather than the bigot fantasy land he conjured during the elections.
 
berbatrick said:
His policy platform continues to have the deportation and Muslim ban. He is now the president-elect, with a transition team in place.
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A transition team that bears no small similarity with his thanksgiving guestlist.
 
Mockney said:
Of all the ridiculous things to come out of this heinously ridiculous election, the idea that the 'side' (for want of a better word) who've spent the last 8 years whining, complaining, shouting, hollering, protesting, fillibustering, gerrymandering, spreading conspiracy theories, stoking racism, blocking the process of government, and generally acting like spoiled hysterical children about everything because a (semi) liberal was in the White House, and Political correctness made their boorish dickishness slightly less fashionable (oppression!!!)....can now actually turn around, with a straight face, and tell the people who feel aggrieved by this change, that they need to shut up, buckle down and stop complaining, because THEY'RE being intolerant, is one of the most astonishingly ridiculous of all.

fecking hell. I mean seriously...F.ucking. Hell.

And that also applies to Brexit and the whole right wing global ascendancy, which has only been achieved trough the constant, hysterical, hyperbolic whinging of the very same people who now feel they can implore the other side to "take the high road" now they're finally in a position to do so.

I'm aware that for many of you, being dismissed as idiots or fascists by the righteous, hoity toity left, was a long standing, bitter bone of contention. But I'd have a lot more sympathy if you didn't make it so fecking easy.
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It's the ultimate paradox of Trump supporting types. When they see that they believe their views have been marginalised by political correctness and that their voices aren't being heard and oppressed, what they really mean is that they don't like opposing opinions, and will do anything they can to achieve power and then shut out those same opinions in the exact same way they complain about people doing to them.

I mean...for all their complaints about safe spaces and liberal types not accepting or listening to opposing opinions (some of which may be true in a much, much more moderate sense than they suggest), things like Trump rallies, or Trump supporting forums/groups online are pretty much exactly the same thing: a place where they can go to bask in the comfort of their own views, unchallenged by anything they might disagree with.
 
Carolina Red said:
Exactly. An entire generation of teens have just been through an election where it became "the cool thing" to wear Trump shirts and bash on people who aren't white. Actually heard a kid this week try to argue that "brown people aren't citizens". Then you've got all this stuff going on in schools throughout the country this week where kids are passing out "deportation papers" to Hispanic kids... Are circling Hispanic kids and chanting "build the wall"... Are spray painting racial slurs everywhere, etc.
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At least with the kids there's a chance they could grow out of it... I mean, I said some nasty just for the attention and giggles when I was a teen (as embarrassing as it is to admit).
 
Mockney said:
Of all the ridiculous things to come out of this heinously ridiculous election, the idea that the 'side' (for want of a better word) who've spent the last 8 years whining, complaining, shouting, hollering, protesting, fillibustering, gerrymandering, spreading conspiracy theories, stoking racism, blocking the process of government, and generally acting like spoiled hysterical children about everything because a (semi) liberal was in the White House, and Political correctness made their boorish dickishness slightly less fashionable (oppression!!!)....can now actually turn around, with a straight face, and tell the people who feel aggrieved by this change, that they need to shut up, buckle down and stop complaining, because THEY'RE being intolerant, is one of the most astonishingly ridiculous of all.

fecking hell. I mean seriously...F.ucking. Hell.

And that also applies to Brexit and the whole right wing global ascendancy, which has only been achieved trough the constant, hysterical, hyperbolic whinging of the very same people who now feel they can implore the other side to "take the high road" now they're finally in a position to do so.

I'm aware that for many of you, being dismissed as idiots or fascists by the righteous, hoity toity left, was a long standing, bitter bone of contention. But I'd have a lot more sympathy if you didn't make it so fecking easy.
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There are plenty of Democrats sensible enough not to participate in or encourage these protests, including the current president of the United States.
 
DFreshKing said:
Is he deporting on legality or colour?

I only seen talk about illegal immigrants but I keep reading he hates all colour.
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Yeah, he's bad enough without people reaching. They had a big speech on CNN about blacks and homosexuals being on the chopping block as well. I must have missed that speech ( thank God)
 
Abizzz said:
Sorry, I don't want to step on your toes, I've appreciated your many posts and thoughts about this election a lot, and feel enriched by them (As I'm sure have many others), but the pace with which you've changed your views on the president elect is frankly scary.

He might become some New York liberal-conservative-republican-populist... but what are the chances? And if he does, what does a liberal-conservative-republican-populist actually do!?
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I don't get all the push back on the changing of views. What should people do after the election ? Continue living in gridlock ? At some point you have to respect the will of the people and unite to move the country foward.
 
Raoul said:
I don't get all the push back on the changing of views. What should people do after the election ? Continue living in gridlock ? At some point you have to respect the will of the people and unite to move the country foward.
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If you want another term, you must do some of what you promised, especially what you seemed to promise the most. How does his turnout look in 4 years if we have the ACA in place, NAFTA and China trade as was, etc?

Plus, what gridlock? Reps swept the floor... its theirs to do what they want for 2 years at least.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
If you want another term, you must do some of what you promised, especially what you seemed to promise the most. How does his turnout look in 4 years if we have the ACA in place, NAFTA and China trade as was, etc?

Plus, what gridlock? Reps swept the floor... its theirs to do what they want for 2 years at least.
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The GOP lost seats in both Hose and Senate. The have a president who is really independent and cannot be controlled.
Schumer can filibuster all day.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
If you want another term, you must do some of what you promised, especially what you seemed to promise the most. How does his turnout look in 4 years if we have the ACA in place, NAFTA and China trade as was, etc?

Plus, what gridlock? Reps swept the floor... its theirs to do what they want for 2 years at least.
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I think Sanders struck the right tone. He said he will work with Trump in areas where they share common policy interests and vigorously oppose him in areas involving racism, sexism etc.
 
So I took a look on the "The Donald" subreddit and all I can say is: those people are going to feel really fecking disappointed in 4 years. The level of delusion was absolutely bizarre. :wenger::wenger::wenger:
 
PedroMendez said:
demonstrations are a vital part of democracy. At least as important as voting. The same goes for criticizing and questioning politicians in power. Citizens are not cheerleader for the president and congress.
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I don't disagree. Demonstrators have every right to demonstrate. I was talking about my own views on how politicians should proceed, which as mentioned earlier, should be like Bernie Sanders has said he will.
 
Raoul said:
I don't get all the push back on the changing of views. What should people do after the election ? Continue living in gridlock ? At some point you have to respect the will of the people and unite to move the country foward.
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If Donald Trump does all the benevolent, sensible things we hope he does, I agree.

If he however decides to be the president that one could expect after the path he chose to the presidency, my faith is solely in the American people. The American people who have so often stood up for individual freedom, fought against oppression and are the backbone of the country. Should these Americans however tie their fate to that of this president, I fear for all of us...
 
You guys seem to be operating under the assumption that all policy is virtuous (do good for all the people and they will vote you in again). But in my opinion all policy is... political for lack of a better term. You do what you think will solidify the electorate that got you in in the first place.

Lets go back to the Cuban Missile Crisis for example... Kennedy had gotten in arguing about a missile gap and basically softness on defense. That's allegedly one of the reasons he felt so much pressure to be unyielding, because he knew he'd be a one-term President if he was publicly found that inconsistent vs his position as a candidate.

Trump can't be the anti-trade, anti-immigration, anti-ACA candidate today, and a centrist New Yorker in 2020. I don't think this will be a centrist government... what specifically will come out of the bag of the contradictions that is Trump and make policy is what I'm waiting to see.

EDIT: These are just my most rational thoughts. The rest of me is still incensed that we got to this preposterous situation... The Apprentice, ffs.
 
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MarceloFalcon said:
You guys seem to be operating under the assumption that all policy is virtuous (do good for all the people and they will vote you in again). But in my opinion all policy is... political for lack of a better term. You do what you think will solidify the electorate that got you in in the first place.

Lets go back to the Cuban Missile Crisis for example... Kennedy had gotten in arguing about a missile gap and basically softness on defense. That's allegedly one of the reasons he felt so much pressure to be unyielding, because he knew he'd be a one-term President if he was publicly found that inconsistent vs his position as a candidate.

Trump can't be the anti-trade, anti-immigration, anti-ACA candidate today, and a centrist New Yorker in 2020. I don't think this will be a centrist government... what specifically will come out of the bag of the contradictions that is Trump and make policy is what I'm waiting to see.
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I think Trump is still fundamentally the old Trump he's always been in terms of policy. You don't live into your late 60s and go from moderate/liberal Republican NE views on most issues to being a right wing fringe lunatic. He only adopted those positions to get elected and he's said as much to journos off the record. He has what he wants and will now begin to gradually mean revert back to his actual political views.
 
Raoul said:
I think Trump is still fundamentally the old Trump he's always been in terms of policy. You don't live into your late 60s and go from moderate/liberal Republican NE views on most issues to being a right wing fringe lunatic. He only adopted those positions to get elected and he's said as much to journos off the record. He has what he wants and will now begin to gradually mean revert back to his actual political views.
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Then Donald Trump plans to be a one term President... and that would be new for Presidents.

EDIT: I found the talk of Warren 2020 after a Clinton win now to be bizarre as well, even though I didn't argue it much at the time. Hillary would willingly do it for just 4 years? Really?
 
Raoul said:
I think Trump is still fundamentally the old Trump he's always been in terms of policy. You don't live into your late 60s and go from moderate/liberal Republican NE views on most issues to being a right wing fringe lunatic. He only adopted those positions to get elected and he's said as much to journos off the record. He has what he wants and will now begin to gradually mean revert back to his actual political views.
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as someone mentioned, he may not have the energy/health for this. That would be the problem.

I dont think he really believed he would get this job.

If he dies on it...bloody hell we have that numpty Pence.
 
The problem with Trump is, that whenever he was consistent (trade, immigration, jobs, investment), he was consistently terrible. He is not just a selfish narcissist, he is also genuinely ignorant on almost everything. He is one of those candidates where you have to pray that everyone around him - including lobbyists - do a solid job to prevent him from doing stupid things. I lack confidence, considering that he assembled the Rat Pack of idiots around him.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Then Donald Trump plans to be a one term President... and that would be new for Presidents.
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Wouldn't surprise me given that staffers at the very beginning were told to help "Mr. Trump" finish a respectable 2nd in the Republican primaries. I don't think he anticipated doing better, but once he figured out he could, he went all in. I'd be surprised if he wants to go through another campaign as a 74 year old.
 
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