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langster said:
:lol: I didn't say that and Hillary was never President, but well done for changing the subject and avoiding reality.
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I said opponents as well. Changing what subject exactly?


langster said:
Your attitude and arrogance stinks, if you cant reply without being snarky then please refrain from replying again.
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It's your ignorance that stinks. You asked a stupid question (i.e. why is he waht america needs), and I entertained you with a legitimate response to which you replied that my attitude stinks. I'll keep being snarky if that's what it takes to get through to you people!
 
Alex Styles said:
It does. Coz I, as a trump supporter was willing to admit an interpretation which would be considered acceptable to anti trumpists as well, i.e. that the guy made a mistake. But then I got the reply, "Oh I'm sick of people trying to interpret what trump said" as if it's bad to interpret what someone might be saying. I know it's very difficult for people who take everything literally to accept this. But in this case, it's just the hate for trump that is provoking all these comments.

To you it's childish, to me most of these anti-trump comments are beyond childish, just in case you wondered what my opinion of your comments might be
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Would love you to actually address me rather than slight me.

Every word he says gets interpreted, but... I say for the third time... the man himself says that all his statements are EXACTLY what he thinks, that he says what he means, that he knows more than all of the experts, that he never has regrets and that he's never wrong. Square that circle for me there now, please.
 
Ubik said:
How much do you know about Trump's history in business, out of interest?
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JPRouve said:
Because he would have to do it on purpose which he almost did, Trump Shuttle.
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Crossie said:
You think a serial liar, racist, misogynist, hypocrite who wastes American taxes, who needed to get bailed out twice, needs to close casinos and has a history of ripping off small businesses so hard-working simple Americans suffered from it is what the US need? :lol: And you seriously think he'll give UK an advantageous trade deal? :lol::lol: Boy, that's criminally naive.
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Everyone who knows anything about finance knows corporate bankruptcy is little more than a shrewd business tool. The whole point about a trade deal is that it's a deal, beneficial to both parties, if he gives us the slippy end of the sh*t stick what incentive does that offer to us to sign it, to others to do deals with the USA in the future? The USA stands to benefit incredibly from a trade deal with ourselves, we are their oldest and closest allies, even without a trade deal we currently have the largest investment relationship existing between two countries in the world. And quite simply we aren't that weak with expensively paid negotiators so stupid that we would roll over and take it up the proverbial should they attempt to shaft us (as if we won't try to shaft them anyway). It also suits our negotiating stance with Brussels perfectly knowing that when they see us they see Trump standing over our shoulder.

Kentonio said:
What exactly did you expect or want him to do? Russia is being highly confrontational, and had already seized Crimea. Any military confrontation could very easily have led to a war between the worlds biggest two nuclear powers. Is that a worthwhile thing to happen? Are you willing to trade nuclear conflict for Crimea? It's very easy to say 'oh but protecting their sovereignty is the right thing to do' but the simple fact is that America is not the worlds policeman, and it does not have the power to make any other nation bend to its will.

Both China and Russia have the strength to resist American military power (or at least ensure that neither side ultimately wins) and because of that American Presidents have to be incredibly careful in how they conduct diplomacy. Obama did what any previous US president post-Cold War would have done, but was faced with a showing of strength by Russia that hasn't been seen since the Cold War ended. The simple truth is that Obama had very little he could do without risking war, and so fell back on the route of sanctions like any other sane person would have done.
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See it from Putin's point of view. Does he go anywhere near Crimea if he thinks it means direct conflict with USA?
 
Alex Styles said:
It does. Coz I, as a trump supporter was willing to admit an interpretation which would be considered acceptable to anti trumpists as well, i.e. that the guy made a mistake. But then I got the reply, "Oh I'm sick of people trying to interpret what trump said" as if it's bad to interpret what someone might be saying. I know it's very difficult for people who take everything literally to accept this. But in this case, it's just the hate for trump that is provoking all these comments.

To you it's childish, to me most of these anti-trump comments are beyond childish, just in case you wondered what my opinion of your comments might be
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But he didn't say he was sick of people admitting his mistakes, he said something else entirely. You decided to twist what he said and then added a bunch of green smileys laughing at it, despite him not saying it.

I mean, who do you think you're fooling with that? We're not 5 year olds in the school yard. You're just making yourself look stupid.
 
Alex Styles said:
It does. Coz I, as a trump supporter was willing to admit an interpretation which would be considered acceptable to anti trumpists as well, i.e. that the guy made a mistake. But then I got the reply, "Oh I'm sick of people trying to interpret what trump said" as if it's bad to interpret what someone might be saying. I know it's very difficult for people who take everything literally to accept this. But in this case, it's just the hate for trump that is provoking all these comments.

To you it's childish, to me most of these anti-trump comments are beyond childish, just in case you wondered what my opinion of your comments might be
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The Trump camp made up another incident like the Bowling Green Massacre when it suited them so your claim that it was just a mistake is extremely unlikely to be honest. Also he tents to make up things in the past and this also support the argument that he made up the sweden incident on purpose on when you look into past behaviour.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Everyone who knows anything about finance knows corporate bankruptcy is little more than a shrewd business tool. The whole point about a trade deal is that it's a deal, beneficial to both parties, if he gives us the slippy end of the sh*t stick what incentive does that offer to us to sign it, to others to do deals with the USA in the future? The USA stands to benefit incredibly from a trade deal with ourselves, we are their oldest and closest allies, even without a trade deal we currently have the largest investment relationship existing between two countries in the world. And quite simply we aren't that weak with expensively paid negotiators so stupid that we would roll over and take it up the proverbial should they attempt to shaft us (as if we won't try to shaft them anyway). It also suits our negotiating stance with Brussels perfectly knowing that when they see us they see Trump standing over our shoulder.
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See, the problem here is that you don't seem to be willing to actually research his history, and more importantly, that you're crediting him with business acumen that he has demonstrated many times he doesn't have. There isn't really any point discussing this (you projecting onto him) until you actually read about his business life.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Would love you to actually address me rather than slight me.

Every word he says gets interpreted, but... I say for the third time... the man himself says that all his statements are EXACTLY what he thinks, that he says what he means, that he knows more than all of the experts, that he never has regrets and that he's never wrong. Square that circle for me there now, please.
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Yes so when he said last night in Sweden, he was probably referring to a news report which he say the night before about sweden and refugees. Mistakenly he alluded to something happening in Sweden when it didn't (last night). Is someone who says exactly what he means not allowed to say stuff which may be factually wrong on some details?
 
@langster I was pretty close with the earlier post.

endless_wheelies said:
See it from Putin's point of view. Does he go anywhere near Crimea if he thinks it means direct conflict with USA?
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Unless Putin thinks that the US are managed by complete idiots, he will never think that Crimea could lead to a direct conflict.
 
Alex Styles said:
I'll keep being snarky if that's what it takes to get through to you people!
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Snarky wont do it.

Why not lay out a blanket statement along the lines of;

"The president I support doesn't speak very well. He is an awful orator and often gets so caught up in his own bluster. Words seemingly fall from his mouth before his brain has worked out the correct order.

I continue to support him, even though I have to analyse what he says in order to work out what he was really saying"

I'm ok with Trumps supporters admitting something like this. It shouldn't be a problem to do so.

It's horrifying to non Trump voters as most feel that a head of state should speak in sentences that leave zero room for ambiguity. It should not be possible to take several different angles and conclusions from public addresses. They should be categoric, factual and exacting.
 
Alex Styles said:
Yes so when he said last night in Sweden, he was probably referring to a news report which he say the night before about sweden and refugees. Mistakenly he alluded to something happening in Sweden when it didn't (last night). Is someone who says exactly what he means not allowed to say stuff which may be factually wrong on some details?
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Really. "Look what happened in Sweden last night. Sweden! Sweden!". This from the people who invented a massacre.

Seriously, he got pulled up on this only a few days ago with regard to his "biggest since Reagan" victory. You have your head in the sand.

Another example: "One or two state... I like em both".

24 hours later, his ambassador at the UN categorically states that the US supports a 2 state solution.

Yeeesh.
 
Tarrou said:
But he didn't say he was sick of people admitting his mistakes, he said something else entirely. You decided to twist what he said and then added a bunch of green smileys laughing at it, despite him not saying it.

I mean, who do you think you're fooling with that? We're not 5 year olds in the school yard. You're just making yourself look stupid.
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Great so for the last time, please tell me what he or she meant!!!! Basically I believe that they are tired of people making excuses for trump???
 
Raoul said:
Why would his logic be any different when its obvious the US wouldn't risk a nuclear war over Crimea ?
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Because the same can be said of Russia, and USA's (backed by the EU) military and economy is far more equipped for the other forms of direct conflict.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Snarky wont do it.

Why not lay out a blanket statement along the lines of;

"The president I support doesn't speak very well. He is an awful orator and often gets so caught up in his own bluster. Words seemingly fall from his mouth before his brain has worked out the correct order.

I continue to support him, even though I have to analyse what he says in order to work out what he was really saying"

I'm ok with Trumps supporters admitting something like this. It shouldn't be a problem to do so.

It's horrifying to non Trump voters as most feel that a head of state should speak in sentences that leave zero room for ambiguity. It should not be possible to take several different angles and conclusions from public addresses. They should be categoric, factual and exacting.
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I'm ok with this. Finally someone that gets it. It's like those who wanted Trump probably knew that he wasn't perfect but it is what it is. To the rest, you can resume being horrified by the trump presidency.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Because the same can be said of Russia, and USA's (backed by the EU) military and economy is far more equipped for the other forms of direct conflict.
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Direct conflict obviously wouldn't happen since the next step is nukes. So why would any other American politician be incentivized to behave any differently than Obama.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Really. "Look what happened in Sweden last night. Sweden! Sweden!". This from the people who invented a massacre.

Seriously, he got pulled up on this only a few days ago with regard to his "biggest since Reagan" victory. You have your head in the sand.

Another example: "One or two state... I like em both".

24 hours later, his ambassador at the UN categorically states that the US supports a 2 state solution.

Yeeesh.
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Yea that was stupid. :lol::lol: Maybe one day someone will fill him in on all issues.
 
Alex Styles said:
Great so for the last time, please tell me what he or she meant!!!! Basically I believe that they are tired of people making excuses for trump???
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Yes, correct.

And yet, here was your reply:

Alex Styles said:
So you're even sick of it when people admit that he makes mistakes? Wow!!! You should go get checked :lol::lol::lol:
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Can you tell the distinction between the two?
 
Alex Styles said:
I'm ok with this. Finally someone that gets it. It's like those who wanted Trump probably knew that he wasn't perfect but it is what it is. To the rest, you can resume being horrified by the trump presidency.
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No. I think everyone already got it.

The key problem is my closing paragraph. Trump supporters are ok that the president of the US can spew out information that's at best factually incorrect and at worst a series of lies and misinformation that seem to come from a point of arrogance and ignorance.

Someone in his position should not be routinely making these huge mistakes. It's not harmless. There will be genuine consequences one day.

I respect any trump supports right to back someone who speaks and behaves like that. But I'm genuinely concerned that there are enough of them around to let him run a country.
 
Tarrou said:
Yes, correct.

And yet, here was your reply:



Can you tell the distinction between the two?
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Yes I can tell the difference.

Look, (and I'm not being snarky this time). If someone is sick of other people making excuses for someone, then what can I say??? It's their problem. Seriously.

But I made an interpretation which said that he made a mistake or said something in ignorance (a lot of people do that, including me, I'm sure most people talk out of their asses more than they would like to admit - anyway this is not the best thing for a president to be doing, even though, where I'm from (Cyprus) Presidents have said far far far worse lies and gotten away with it).

But if I were to say to someone. I'm tired of you making excuses for him, then it's like I believe that what I say is right and there can be no other interpretation, so don't even bother.
 
Alex Styles said:
Yes I can tell the difference.

Look, (and I'm not being snarky this time). If someone is sick of other people making excuses for someone, then what can I say??? It's their problem. Seriously.

But I made an interpretation which said that he made a mistake or said something in ignorance (a lot of people do that, including me, I'm sure most people talk out of their asses more than they would like to admit - anyway this is not the best thing for a president to be doing, even though, where I'm from (Cyprus) Presidents have said far far far worse lies and gotten away with it).

But if I were to say to someone. I'm tired of you making excuses for him, then it's like I believe that what I say is right and there can be no other interpretation, so don't even bother.
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I need to go to sleep, so let's draw this to a close.

We're not going to find any common ground on this tonight. You think it's ok that he says whatever comes into his head (like the Israel/Palestine statement), that he makes factual errors that others correct later or that he makes up total lies on the spot that he gets caught out on (like the electoral college comment this week), and that someone else can either correct it or you yourself can interpret what has been said. Sounds like a lot of work. I, on the other hand, listen to what the man says and take it that what he says is his opinion. I do that because that's what the man himself has told us to do, many many times.

Final point - I didn't say excuses. I said interpretations. And I think you yourself gave me the best example of why that could be a problem. Cheers.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Why bother? They can just go on TV the next day, say whatever they want and offer it as an "interpretation".

You see the problem here?
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Man I'm tired now. I saw my President (in CYprus) say and PROMISE that there would not be a haircut of people's deposits in the banks, two weeks before there was an actual haircut of deposits. He promised this on live tv for everyone to hear and was also addressing foreign investors who held money in previous banks. A PRESIDENT...PROMISED...PUBLICLY ...about something which was of utmost importance as I'm sure you'll agree (people's bank deposits) and it was a big fat lie. He's still in the job so excuse me for not giving so much importance to this 'comment' by Trump as if it holds so much weight.
 
Alex Styles said:
Yes so when he said last night in Sweden, he was probably referring to a news report which he say the night before about sweden and refugees. Mistakenly he alluded to something happening in Sweden when it didn't (last night). Is someone who says exactly what he means not allowed to say stuff which may be factually wrong on some details?
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So in other words Trump had no idea of anything happening in Sweden but decided to try and make it out like something was. short version he lied again.
 
Neutral said:
WTF IS THIS?
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Jesus F Christ. I know he just makes up controversial opinions to stay relevant but surely that can't extend to actively advocating child abuse?
 
Alex Styles said:
Man I'm tired now. I saw my President (in CYprus) say and PROMISE that there would not be a haircut of people's deposits in the banks, two weeks before there was an actual haircut of deposits. He promised this on live tv for everyone to hear and was also addressing foreign investors who held money in previous banks. A PRESIDENT...PROMISED...PUBLICLY ...about something which was of utmost importance as I'm sure you'll agree (people's bank deposits) and it was a big fat lie. He's still in the job so excuse me for not giving so much importance to this 'comment' by Trump as if it holds so much weight.
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Not an answer to what I asked. None of what you've written here is related to the problem I outlined.
 
Ubik said:
Jesus F Christ. I know he just makes up controversial opinions to stay relevant but surely that can't extend to actively advocating child abuse?
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It's different in the 'gay' community.

How the hell does a homosexual go out and do so much harm to his 'own' community. Gays have been fighting for decades to stop the bigoted association of pedophilia with homosexuality and here you have this scumbag feeding fire to that narrative.
 
JustAFan said:
So Alex are you okay with the President taking funds from the taxpayers and funneling them directly into properties he owns? Because that is exactly what he is doing.
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When the hell did this happen? Seriously?? What's your source?
 
Alex will you be happy having your loved ones eat, drink and breath in pollution once the EPA is gutted and all those pesky business unfriendly regulations are tossed aside? When they are sick how will you explain it to them, that it really is a good thing?
 
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