I gave you a fairly constructive and far more detailed answer on why he isn't a fascist. It is true so; if you think Kentonio's reply was sensible, any discussion would be futile. He has no idea about historic facts, doesn't understand the underlying ideology and tries to make a connection between cutting taxes+regulation and Nazi-Germany. Thats simply crazy. Even 5 minutes on wikipedia should be sufficient to understand that. Now I start to understand why so many people throw around this label all the time. There are a lot of fascists out there, when deregulation, cutting taxes or a market economy is an indicator for such an ideology.
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I gave you a fairly constructive and far more detailed answer on why he isn't a fascist. It is true so; if you think Kentonio's reply was sensible, any discussion would be futile. He has no idea about historic facts, doesn't understand the underlying ideology and tries to make a connection between cutting taxes+regulation and Nazi-Germany. Thats simply crazy. Even 5 minutes on wikipedia should be sufficient to understand that. Now I start to understand why so many people throw around this label all the time. There are a lot of fascists out there, when deregulation, cutting taxes or a market economy is an indicator for such an ideology.
Yes I think it's fair. Because there are other people on the road too. And if you cause damage you must carry a policy that will be held accountable and will compensate for the potential damage you may cause.
But how is that relevant for health insurance?
Tbf they may wipe us out via nuclear armageddon before then so there's that.
Trump is running the country as he runs his companies. Why did anyone think it wouldn't be like this?
Again, I agree with you. The right to a peaceful protest is a core value in our democracy. Violent protests, however, and trying to cause harm is what I have problem with.
read the list... all of those points are already a reality in the US, way before Trump. Since the 70's at least.
The legimitacy of using the label "fascist" is surely not about whether it currently meets the criteria of other specific, well established historical regimes (real life isn't as conveniently neat as that, in any case) but rather whether the first 10 days of his rule, combined with his campaign rhetoric and barmy personality, point towards a recognisably dangerous trend, if left unchecked...Which clearly it does.
It's about flagging up the warning signs with the aim of curtailing them, before it reaches a point where we can merely go "Huh. Well we can't do anything about it now, but at least we've finally got the semantics right"...
If anything I agree that the label's been used far too liberally - by liberals - up to now. Years of lazily directing it at the likes if Bush and Blair have robbed it of its potency when it really matters.
It's about flagging up the warning signs with the aim of curtailing them, before it reaches a point where we can merely go "Huh. Well we can't do anything about it now, but at least we've finally got the semantics right"...
If anything I agree that the label's been used far too liberally - by liberals - up to now. Years of lazily directing it at the likes if Bush and Blair have robbed it of its potency when it really matters.
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It was a brief answer pointing out that the list of things you described as the 'opposite' of things fascist states would do, were in fact things fascist states did actually do. Making your attempt to appear an expert on the subject fairly humerous.
It seems your 5 minutes on wiki could have been better spent.
One of Trump's team was on Radio 4 earlier saying the list was drawn up by the Obama administration as presently posing a threat. I have no idea how accurate that is.
Isn't it more a case of "maybe avoid going to these places on vacation", the Obama thing?
Obama went out of his way to remove sanctions on Iran, they wouldn't be anywhere on that list.
Not sure. This was one of Trump's team so they would spin it.
I have trouble believing this.
Yeah, saw a comment recently that pointed out the term "Never again" doesn't mean wait for Hitler reincarnate to have stripped people of citizenship and property before you get antsy. It means look for the warning signs and be vigilant.
How far back is it supposed to refer to ? American soldiers were killed in Somalia in 1993.
You can't be too careful - RAWK has a thread claiming that Hitler escaped.
It would be a deliberate provocation, as @berbatrick mentioned. I'm not sure they'll want that kind of fight on their hands just yet, but after the first ten days it's hard to rule anything out.
Think its for casualties in the USA.
Let me guess, they then think he went on to become a successful football manager in the north-west of England.
Which is why most of these widely shared posts and memes are specifically about the "warning signs" ...The most famously recognisable thing about fascism, after all, is that you can't really do anything about it after the fact. Apart from, you know, have a big war.
Its based on deaths on us soil.
The list talks about numbers killed so I suppose strictly speaking Abdul Razak from Somalia, who was responsible for the Ohio State University attack, doesn't count. But it seems deliberately (?) misleading to me.
Has it gone too far already?
He's consolidating his power already.
You'd hope before it went that far, the military would down tools and refuse to back him. I guess you'd also imagine that congress would step in before a coup so I don't think there's the same risk of it reaching those levels of facist regime.
I think he could do most damage if he just keeps moving along as he is now, causing serious damage without it being enough for the Republicans in congress to take any action.
I am not arguing for the merits of the list as I think the ban list will be counter productive and embolden the worst people on both sides (might have already happened in Canada) but it is right to put forward Trump's reasoning.
Trump came in for a lot of criticism after removing director of national intelligence and the chairman of Joint Chiefs from attending all the meetings at the security council.
This move will have someone senior in a intelligence organisation (In this case the CIA head) attend as was the case before they made the change 2 days ago.
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Fake or manipulated news can come from anywhere. I remember the "fact" that no Jews were killed in the twin towers. I agued with people about that after checking the names of the dead on the internet. Vigilance is needed, Orwell was right.
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Money counts. Read his business in these countries.
I had already assumed (correctly) that he must have vested interests in those particular places.
So much winning your head will spin and you will be bored of winning.I don't know, but it's not a secret the Gulf States fund ISIS.
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