Dobba
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Give it another 48 hours and Theresa May will be promising to chuck £350m a week towards it.The "and they will pay for it" clause is particularly odious tbf.
Give it another 48 hours and Theresa May will be promising to chuck £350m a week towards it.The "and they will pay for it" clause is particularly odious tbf.
FAO our Indian posters (e.g. @berbatrick, @VidaRed et al):
The Indian/Pakistan border is considerably longer than the US/Mexican border, and the stakes are much higher with two nuclear armed enemies facing each other and insurgent/terrorist infiltration a real, genuine threat, especially in Kashmir.
How common is infiltration one way or the other? Are any sections of the border walled, fenced or mined? What about remote desert areas like the Thar Desert or the Rann of Kutch?
Give it another 48 hours and Theresa May will be promising to chuck £350m a week towards it.
Infiltration is common, mostly in Kashmir. It apparently often happens under covering fire from the other side (obviously the border is militarised). IIRC there are long fenced sections, but the people coming across aren't exactly helpless refugees or even economic migrants, and they have methods and training to overcome fences.
Without the terrain and sympathetic locals in Kashmir, infiltration doesn't make much sense in other sectors.
AFAIK.
Though it's not the done thing to resort to Nazi comparisons, it doesn't half remind me of Kristallnacht & making Jewish people pay 'damages'.The "and they will pay for it" clause is particularly odious tbf.
Her arse is so far open for him it probably spans the entire US-Mexico border.
Embarrassed that this man in my PM.
He and Trump should get a room, and let the rest of the world be.
I remember reading about the bakarwal people who travel between Kashmir/Ladakh and Aksai Chin.Are there any nomadic peoples who wander back and forth across, say, the desert regions in the south?
Oh nice, so these agents do 24 hour shifts then?
Targeting specific countries isn't targeting a religion, in fact 9 of the 10 most populous Muslim nations aren't even on the list.
Canada speaks up and offers help to those that need it.
I really can't understand what Trump expects to gain from all this. The negatives far outweigh the positives. Firstly, yeah, he appeases his supporters and shows them he's a man of his word and is doing what he said he would, but aside from that what else is he achieving?
The negatives far outweigh anything he can gain. The US is already one of the toughest countries to get in to anyway, especially for the likes of Syrian refugees, I bet Iranians have to go through hell to get a visa, even a tourist one.
This is just all so ridiculous and he has put his foreign businesses, his country and his countrymen who are overseas all in serious danger from retaliation. He has pissed off numerous countries and not just the Muslim countries he has banned people from either. He's looking like a complete arsehole and a fool to the rest of the world and not exactly doing himself any favours either. And for what? The last terrorist attack in the US was Florida and that was carried out by a US citizen, not someone who came in to the country, and the most recent ones in Europe have all been carried out by citizens of those countries (Belgium & France) So what is he trying to prove by banning people from certain countries? It's also left him open to ridicule and to more questions about his honesty, integrity and conflicts of interest that he hasn't banned people from other countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan too. By not doing so, and reports of him having businesses in those countries just makes it all look more dodgy and unfair. All this is literally pointless, if anything it's counter productive and will actually have the opposite effect. Unless that's their plan and then they can have more wars? I mean, he did say he wanted Iraq's oil didn't he?
I didn't even know that Trump had used the Great China wall as a justification for his own wall. Read about it after your post.Built and reinforced over centuries, actually close to a millennium and the purpose was to stop an invading army, which utterly failed time and again.
I know you joked but that argument from Drumpfkins is so #alternativefact that it hurts.
And yet every single country is a majority muslim country. Also this,
9 of the 10 most populous Muslim countries are not on it. Seems more like a list of high threat countries where ISIS and the like have set up shop (except Iran).
9 of the 10 most populous Muslim countries are not on it. Seems more like a list of high threat countries where ISIS and the like have set up shop (except Iran).
Much of the border is open country. One guy in a tower with a pair of binoculars can monitor miles of it. Lighting, night vision cameras, other sophisticated detection systems make the border patrol's task easy as long as intruders face a formidable physical obstacle which cannot be circumvented. Resources can then be concentrated along that line of defence. The US employs more than enough people to do the job.
Abraham? You sure about that?
Right but I'm just pointing out that if we are to believe his biography he actually turned from a very good man into tyrant.
I'm not as well read on the old testiment. I'm an ex-muslim hence my interest of and criticism of Muhammed.
Wasn't Abraham the one who was quite literally going to sacrifice his son until God told him it was all just a test?
Much of the border is open country. One guy in a tower with a pair of binoculars can monitor miles of it. Lighting, night vision cameras, other sophisticated detection systems make the border patrol's task easy as long as intruders face a formidable physical obstacle which cannot be circumvented. Resources can then be concentrated along that line of defence. The US employs more than enough people to do the job.
Well you could apply for the job Will.
So why is Iran on it then @Raoul?
Also, which nationalities actually carried out the last major terrorist jihad attack on US Soil?
As for Sept 11th....
Origins of the 19 hijackers
Saudi Arabia - 15
United Arab Emirates - 2
Egypt - 1
Lebanon - 1
hmmm.......
Would be like a wet dream for him.
The second part is technically true and well put, but in this specific case the focus on the moral issue may still not miss the point. I think you already touched upon that yourself:Yeah, people are conflating two separate issues:
1. Whether or not the wall will be effective - certainly up for debate.
2. Whether or not it is immoral to build the wall. This one is missing the point, since the wall is just a means to confirm and secure what already exists as the basis of, like you say, the international system - the borders between nation-states. If the wall is immoral, then international borders are also immoral. That may or may not be true depending on one's general perspective on these matters, but we can all agree it's the reality we live in today, for right or wrong.
If the wall would indeed be ineffective or largely unnecessary, I could see no other purpose for it than to serve as a gigantic symbol of anti-immigrant/hispanic resentment. A (damn expensive) statement towards the inside and the outside and also a threat regarding possible things to come. The demonising and bullying wouldn't be a supplement to an otherwise reasonable thing, but the root of the matter.If (and it's a big if) a wall can achieve that then it's a legitimate means. The problem with Trump's wall is all the demonising and bullying rhetoric surrounding it.
And yet not one country on the list has ever had someone convicted for terrorism within the US.
So why is Iran on it then @Raoul?
Also, which nationalities actually carried out the last major terrorist jihad attack on US Soil?
As for Sept 11th....
Origins of the 19 hijackers
Saudi Arabia - 15
United Arab Emirates - 2
Egypt - 1
Lebanon - 1
hmmm.......
I laughed. Didn't know you had Photoshop skillz too. Is there no beginning to your useable talents?
I nicked it off another board, mate.I laughed. Didn't know you had Photoshop skillz too. Is there no beginning to your useable talents?
This is exactly correct... and anyone who opposes him needs to quickly get out of the denial and shock and understand what they are fighting.The reason he's going ahead with the wall despite the absolutely ridiculous and pointless nature of it and the eye watering cost and logistics involved is because it literally builds a tangible, lasting monument that will forever be associated with President Trump. In his narcissistic mind this is an Egyptian Pyramid or Great Wall of China.
Nah. As the saying goes, 'If this year's faceless bogeyman bin Laden hadn't been invented, he'd have to exist.'Tbh, it's looking more and more like Bin Laden won 9/11 and it's aftermath. America's gone down the exact route he wanted.
This isn't about 9/11 though. That's ancient history at this point. The states on the list have an active IS or AQ presence in the present.
I'm already practicing this: in my current US trip my secretary suggested a new York tRump hotel because it was close to my meeting location. I asked her to find me an alternative suggestion.I personally think 2 Billion Muslims should start boycotting US goods and services. That usually teaches businessmen lessons.