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If its deliberate action to win an election then there's an argument there. Trump and his campaign certainly did make certain deliberate choices to enhance their odds but Trump being a feckwit certainly wasn't one.

Saying that i kind of agree with those being mocked, if Clintons campaign was the one with the more intelligent team they certainly didn't make smarter decisions.
Trump's team is certainly not stupid. I despise Conway but unintelligent she is not.
 
Nothing massively surprising tbh.
Rather not meddle and be constantly critiquing.....bit like the Brexit negotiations. Let stuff happen first!
Stuff has happened, I'm not surprised either. I knew he was going to u-turn on DAPL, I knew he was going to lower taxes, and regulations for big business (although not to the extent he's suggesting). It's part of the reason why I dislike him... He doesn't represent the average person he represents big business and the rich. Don't you think?

It's okay to have an early opinion...
 
Nothing massively surprising tbh.
Rather not meddle and be constantly critiquing.....bit like the Brexit negotiations. Let stuff happen first!
The people are obliged to let their government know when they're doing something unpopular before a final decision is made. These past two weeks the Danish government were entertaining a rather stupid idea, the people told them to get fecked and our voices were heard meaning this new policy was never implemented in the first place. Otherwise we might end up in situations where it's going to be really hard to backtrack.
 
Stuff has happened, I'm not surprised either. New he was going to u-turn on DAPL, New he was going to lower taxes and regulations for big business (although not to the extent he's suggesting). It's part of the reason why I dislike him... He doesn't represent the average person he represents big business and the rich. Don't you think?
hmm I'm not sure yet tbh (contrary to popular belief I am not a Trump flag-waving fan, but an outsider that is interested, and hence I feel I have to be extreme sometimes to balance the view on here).

I think the fact he has far less in terms of corporate funding for his campaign will allow him to 'rule' on his gut (whether that'll be good or not only time will tell).
I understand his macro thinking: get the companies to stay (even if that means tax cuts, which is the only tool, same thought at May in the UK), get the jobs 'back' (or atleast growing), get the companies investing back in the US, this will snowball into needing more infrastructure, more people in employment, perhaps even strength in social communities, etc. Similar approach to Modi in India IMHO.
 
The people are obliged to let their government know when they're doing something unpopular before a final decision is made. These past two weeks the Danish government were entertaining a rather stupid idea, the people told them to get fecked and our voices were heard meaning this new policy was never implemented in the first place. Otherwise we might end up in situations where it's going to be really hard to backtrack.
So a referendum on every subject?!
 
The people are obliged to let their government know when they're doing something unpopular before a final decision is made. These past two weeks the Danish government were entertaining a rather stupid idea, the people told them to get fecked and our voices were heard meaning this new policy was never implemented in the first place. Otherwise we might end up in situations where it's going to be really hard to backtrack.
What was this about?
 
hmm I'm not sure yet tbh (contrary to popular belief I am not a Trump flag-waving fan, but an outsider that is interested, and hence I have to be extreme sometimes to balance the view on here).

I think the fact he has far less in terms of corporate funding for his campaign will allow him to 'rule' on his gut (whether that'll be good or not only time will tell).
I understand his macro thinking: get the companies to stay (even if that means tax cuts, which is the only tool, same thought at May in the UK), get the jobs 'back' (or atleast growing), get the companies investing back in the US, this will snowball into needing more infrastructure, more people in employment, perhaps even strength in social communities, etc. Similar approach to Modi in India IMHO.
Ok but if they lower taxes for some where does that lost tax revenue then come from?

in all senses of the sentence....
Was asking him/her for more info.
 
It's like they all are George Washington wannabes
Well yes, almost by definition. :p

Trump's team is certainly not stupid. I despise Conway but unintelligent she is not.
Its an somewhat of an overarching theme that can be observed in multiple fields, that different people have different forms of intelligence and suit themselves to different task. Conway is clearly a quick mind in terms of spin/message, etc. Donald seems to have a good pulse for broader public sentiment in certain segments of society. But does it translate into good strategy? Because strategy requires patience almost by definition, and they seem to be lacking in that field.
 
What was this about?
It was about school water. Basically someone said it wasn't alright that kids had to take their drinking water from the taps in the restrooms at some schools. Then a company had the brilliant idea that they could provide bottled water for all school children in the country (Not hard to see their perspective). Then the government started entertaining the idea. Of course it's absolutely bonkers to provide bottled water for all schools in a country with perfectly clean water in the taps. Just think of the production costs (environmental considerations) of bottled water compared to tap water.
Then please elaborate?
Are you talking about the UK or USA btw?!
My point is that you shouldn't wait for changes to happen before voicing your opinion if the suggested changes are obviously silly. There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking part in the decision process.

EDIT: And I'm talking about any given democracy.
 
Well yes, almost by definition. :p


Its an somewhat of an overarching theme that can be observed in multiple fields, that different people have different forms of intelligence and suit themselves to different task. Conway is clearly a quick mind in terms of spin/message, etc. Donald seems to have a good pulse for broader public sentiment in certain segments of society. But does it translate into good strategy? Because strategy requires patience almost by definition, and they seem to be lacking in that field.
More importantly though, they seem to lack administrative competence, as is evident when you look at how many executive posts are still empty.
 
Ok but if they lower taxes for some where does that lost tax revenue then come from?

History suggests it just doesn't, because no one actually gets around to the necessary budget cuts (and usually manage to expand the defense budget at the same time)
 


Hang on, that clip has been reversed!!

If you look closely at the end, the way he turns back to face forwards looks weird. That's a classic tell tale sign of reversed video. And it makes sense. Melania Trump is behind him, pensive, he turns to look at his family, sees her face and smiles to make her smile too.

Cheeky fecking Twitter! :nono:
 
My point is that you shouldn't wait for changes to happen before voicing your opinion if the suggested changes are obviously silly. There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking part in the decision process.

EDIT: And I'm talking about any given democracy.
Exactly, you'd think this is obvious. Easier/better to stop something (potentially bad) from happening than to try and retrospectively reverse it.
 
Which unfortunately does not say much about the intelligence of some of the American voters.
"I want my life to change because Fox News told me it was crap so I am going to vote in the same party that has screwed me over for six years and are to blame for the majority of shitty stuff over the last thirty years and put a reality star tv villain in charge of the lot because he hates Mexicans and so do I." Hillary Clinton was right about deplorable.
I would like new requirements of a presidential candidate to be prominent before the campaign. First has to be a physical and mental health evaluation. Next must be twelve years of tax returns, that should really be the law. A list of cabinat picks presented to the voter before FEC filings, if people knew Tillerson would be SoS would that give them cause for concern, you are damn right it would.
 
Exactly, you'd think this is obvious. Easier/better to stop something (potentially bad) from happening than to try and retrospectively reverse it.
A good sign of something being objectionable in politics is if it's being rushed through.
 
Ok but if they lower taxes for some where does that lost tax revenue then come from?
Isn't there a multi-generational political debate about this? Hence the polarisation of politics around the world?
The school of thought of low taxes, low regulation, small Govt, arging it stimulates high job numbers, more corporate activity and ultimately better social cohesion....

I'm sure we won't get a solution in this RedCafe thread though!

ps. in answer to your question from my personal opinion, well potentially more companies albeit with lower rates + more people in employment so more income tax and all the associated taxes (wealth tax, inheritence, capital gains, etc etc)
 
Hang on, that clip has been reversed!!

If you look closely at the end, the way he turns back to face forwards looks weird. That's a classic tell tale sign of reversed video. And it makes sense. Melania Trump is behind him, pensive, he turns to look at his family, sees her face and smiles to make her smile too.

Cheeky fecking Twitter! :nono:
Nope, I thought that as well but a full clip was posted a few pages back and it's legit. Trump just rotates like a weirdo.
 
A good sign of something being objectionable in politics is if it's being rushed through.
Yep, in the first few days! You gotta laugh.... If it wasn't clear which way his presidency was going to go, it's fcukin clear now.
 
Isn't there a multi-generational political debate about this? Hence the polarisation of politics around the world?
The school of thought of low taxes, low regulation, small Govt, arging it stimulates high job numbers, more corporate activity and ultimately better social cohesion....

I'm sure we won't get a solution in this RedCafe thread though!

ps. in answer to your question from my personal opinion, well potentially more companies albeit with lower rates + more people in employment so more income tax and all the associated taxes (wealth tax, inheritence, capital gains, etc etc)

Ok but this is what will really happen:
History suggests it just doesn't, because no one actually gets around to the necessary budget cuts (and usually manage to expand the defense budget at the same time)
I believe he's already hinted at increasing defense budget...
 
Food for thought (not really)



Sit back and enjoy the ride, I guess. Would enjoy the schadenfreude a lot if only I don't have US friends (two of which, regrettably, voted Trump)
 
I believe he's already hinted at increasing defense budget...
In his inauguration speech he alluded to the military having been neglected in recent years or some such. I don't know where he's been the past few years but the US is still outspending the second highest spenders (China) by about a factor of four.
 
Food for thought (not really)



Sit back and enjoy the ride, I guess. Would enjoy the schadenfreude a lot if only I don't have US friends (two of which, regrettably, voted Trump)

Huh? Yeah they would. The Dakota access pipeline would have been approved, possibly by Hilary too. That abortion thing always switched when Dems or Reps take over. The arts would have been slashed by any republican, and science funding would have decreased.

Nice, what does he intend to do to address the deficit?
Nothing. Most republican run states are in a feckton of debt because they don't seem to care about taxes, it's part of their MO, loot the government then let democrats fix it later. I don't know how they get away with marketing themselves as fiscally responsible.
 
Ok but this is what will really happen:

I believe he's already hinted at increasing defense budget...

Yep. I'm actually a cut spending / cut taxes guy (don't want to litigate it here, has been done in many other threads). But I'm realistically without a boat in main currents of US politics, because although many Republicans talk the talk, I've seen them in action and they fared worse than Dems on those items. In a sense I actually don't even trust the understanding of economic theory, and therefore their commitment to what they parrot. I mean, a guy says he doesn't believe in climate change science, but then turns around and says he's into Friedman, Lucas, Cochrane and others? Can't trust that.
 
Nope, I thought that as well but a full clip was posted a few pages back and it's legit. Trump just rotates like a weirdo.

WRONG ;)

Where is this full clip? (I'm lazy)
 
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