The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

[Kentonio]

so what will actually happen if he is gone before he even starts?

I assume a new election of will it go to the VP?

To the best of my knowledge there is no mechanism in the US constitution for early elections. Looking back over previous elections, they have been held precisely every 4 years since 1788, including elections during the civil war and WW2 (in the UK ours was suspended during WW2). If he leaves the role it will go to that evil bastard Mike Pence.

 

[Smores]

So Comey deliberately failed to mention that they were investigating Trump but yet mentioned they may be checking some more of HC's emails.

One very naughty man. I'd sack him if I was Obama.

Are you really suggesting there was a conspiracy at play?

That's as bad as some of the stuff the Trump lot come out with

 

[Red Defence]

Are you really suggesting there was a conspiracy at play?

That's as bad as some of the stuff the Trump lot come out with

Something was going on there. We'll have to see how it all plays out to work out what exactly was going on though won't we.

They've definitely got far more control of Trump now than they ever would have had over Clinton.

 

[Avatar]

Will he even be inaugurated?

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Maagge]

I'm amazed he still doesn't understand what a conflict of interests is.

 

[Kentonio]

Will he even be inaugurated?

Aside from impeachment the only other way to remove him would be Section IV of the 25th amendment which allows a president to be removed if they are 'cognitively unfit for office'. This requires either a majority of his own cabinet or the vice president AND a majority of both the senate and congress to vote for his removal. Even then there are several difficult steps to follow to make it reality. Even in the wildly unlikely event of it happening, both scenarios result in a President Mike Pence.

 

[Red Dreams]

I dont

Its hilarious

you have a point. good entertainment.

 

[Red Dreams]

Aside from impeachment the only other way to remove him would be Section IV of the 25th amendment which allows a president to be removed if they are 'cognitively unfit for office'. This requires either a majority of his own cabinet or the vice president AND a majority of both the senate and congress to vote for his removal. Even then there are several difficult steps to follow to make it reality. Even in the wildly unlikely event of it happening, both scenarios result in a President Mike Pence.

...and that will be a thousand times worse than a President Trump.

 

[Kentonio]

...and that will be a thousand times worse than a President Trump.

Yup.

 

[Avatar]

...and that will be a thousand times worse than a President Trump.

Well, Pence will be president imo, whether now or in a few months.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Aside from impeachment the only other way to remove him would be Section IV of the 25th amendment which allows a president to be removed if they are 'cognitively unfit for office'. This requires either a majority of his own cabinet or the vice president AND a majority of both the senate and congress to vote for his removal. Even then there are several difficult steps to follow to make it reality. Even in the wildly unlikely event of it happening, both scenarios result in a President Mike Pence.

From what I have read , he is worse that Trump !

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

This whole presidency affair is showing how convoluted the world is right now.

Israel supported Trump
Trump wants better relations with Russia
Russia is allied with Syria and Iran
US has Syria and Iran as state sponsors of terror
Iran is in direct conflict to Israel

Trump is in direct conflict with China
China is allied to Pakistan
US sends military aid to Pakistan which further uses it to buy weaponry from China

We could go on and on. There is one proxy rivalry after another which makes little sense.

 

[Blodssvik]

Are you really suggesting there was a conspiracy at play?

That's as bad as some of the stuff the Trump lot come out with

This thread takes confirmation bias to new levels.

 

[Kentonio]

From what I have read , he is worse that Trump !

If you took all the extremist, fundamentalist, vile, sick elements of every politician in the western world and compressed them into a single warped human form, you'd basically have Mike Pence.

Here's a couple of the nice things he's said in the past..

On LGTB rights: "federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus."
On LGTB rights: “Societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family”
On gays in the military: “There’s no question to mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion”
On climate change: "Global warming is a myth...There, I said it. Just like the 'new Ice Age' scare of the 1970s, the environmental movement has found a new chant for their latest 'Chicken Little' attempt to raise taxes and grow centralized governmental power. The chant is 'the sky is warming! the sky is warming!'"
On smoking: “Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.”
On abortion: “I long for the day that Roe v. Wade is sent to the ash heap of history.”
On working women: "For years, we have gotten the message from the mouthpieces of the popular culture that you can have it all, career, kids and a two-car garage...Sure, you can have it all, but your day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick."
On evolution: "Do I believe in evolution? I embrace the view that God created the heavens and the Earth and the seas and all that's in them."
On contraception: "Frankly, condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases."

So yeah, that's Mike Pence..

 

[sammsky1]

...and that will be a thousand times worse than a President Trump.

why? What is the 101 on Pence?

 

[MTF]

why? What is the 101 on Pence?

RD will basically list his conservative positions, like Kentonio has done above. And will then hold on to the notion that either Trump is actually liberal on some issues, that Trump will punish 'the corporations' (with this cabinet... yeah, right), and that being in general an unstable, thin-skinned man-child is not a relevant aspect of doing anything in life, particularly the presidency, and political positions are all that matter.

It extends into an endorsement of comrades Lenin and Stalin in a sense. Both unstable maniacs (the latter more than the former), but boy they sure stuck it to those oligarchs!

 

[sammsky1]

Will he even be inaugurated?

Can anyone confirm this?

It seems many are believe that Trump will not last. With that fear, countries with extremely sensitive information are concerned to share such information with a new President, who will shortly be removed and is under the blackmailing influence of Russia.

This is more elaborate than season 5 of '24' when Jack Bauer takes down the corrupt President Logan. But its real life. Its quite simply nuts.

 

[Red Dreams]

If you took all the extremist, fundamentalist, vile, sick elements of every politician in the western world and compressed them into a single warped human form, you'd basically have Mike Pence.

Here's a couple of the nice things he's said in the past..

On LGTB rights: "federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus."
On LGTB rights: “Societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family”
On gays in the military: “There’s no question to mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion”
On climate change: "Global warming is a myth...There, I said it. Just like the 'new Ice Age' scare of the 1970s, the environmental movement has found a new chant for their latest 'Chicken Little' attempt to raise taxes and grow centralized governmental power. The chant is 'the sky is warming! the sky is warming!'"
On smoking: “Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.”
On abortion: “I long for the day that Roe v. Wade is sent to the ash heap of history.”
On working women: "For years, we have gotten the message from the mouthpieces of the popular culture that you can have it all, career, kids and a two-car garage...Sure, you can have it all, but your day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick."
On evolution: "Do I believe in evolution? I embrace the view that God created the heavens and the Earth and the seas and all that's in them."
On contraception: "Frankly, condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases."

So yeah, that's Mike Pence..

You forgot....
He will destroy Social Security,Medicare and Medicaid.
Trump has confirmed that he will not destroy the first two at least. Silent on the 3rd. But that can be covered through a comprehensive Medical plan...if it is to benefit the insured, rather than the insurers.

 

[Kentonio]

RD will basically list his conservative positions, like Kentonio has done above. And will then hold on to the notion that either Trump is actually liberal on some issues, that Trump will punish 'the corporations' (with this cabinet... yeah, right), and that being in general an unstable, thin-skinned man-child is not a relevant aspect of doing anything in life, particularly the presidency, and political positions are all that matter.

Political positions matter very, very much. Otherwise you're just getting rid of an unstable man-child and replacing him with a heartless, homophobic religious fanatic who puts the bible ahead of science, human rights and basic human decency.

 

[Silva]

Well, Pence will be president imo, whether now or in a few months.

I don't know why this isn't repeated every 15 minutes. Trump isn't going to do the job of President, Pence is, and he's already started with the administration picks.

 

[MTF]

Political positions matter very, very much. Otherwise you're just getting rid of an unstable man-child and replacing him with a heartless, homophobic religious fanatic who puts the bible ahead of science, human rights and basic human decency.

Who is yet controlled largely by similar impulses as other politicians: he is afraid of being embarrassed (on a large scale, politicians generally can live with the small stuff), he is afraid of being caught in a lie, he wants to be liked, he probably aspires to be in some way a reflection of past great politicians (how we all aspire to emulate our heroes), he is probably somewhat mindful of tradition... and other tempering aspects that apply to more stable people, be they conservative, liberal or down the middle.

He's also not particularly influent per se, Mr. Pence. He needs to work with Congress to do all he wishes, which you'd rightfully say also applies to Trump, but I think he'll make less of a public mess of everything while trying to push these things.

My overall point is that I can live with regular conservatives. I don't like it, but we've been through it before and there was still a democracy and institutions at the end of it, not damaged beyond repair. This Trump experiment, I'm not so sure. And this isn't a call to say we'll have dictatorship or anything like it after 4 (8?) years, I think nominally the institutions will still be the same. But what will be their state at the end of it?

 

[Silva]

Who is yet controlled largely by similar impulses as other politicians: he is afraid of being embarrassed (on a large scale, politicians generally can live with the small stuff), he is afraid of being caught in a lie, he wants to be liked, he probably aspires to be in some way a reflection of past great politicians (how we all aspire to emulate our heroes), he is probably somewhat mindful of tradition... and other tempering aspects that apply to more stable people, be they conservative, liberal or down the middle.

He's also not particularly influent per se, Mr. Pence. He needs to work with Congress to do all he wishes, which you'd rightfully say also applies to Trump, but I think he'll make less of a public mess of everything while trying to push these things.

My overall point is that I can live with regular conservatives. I don't like it, but we've been through it before and there was still a democracy and institutions at the end of it, not damaged beyond repair. This Trump experiment, I'm not so sure. And this isn't a call to say we'll have dictatorship or anything like it after 4 (8?) years, I think nominally the institutions will still be the same. But what will be their state at the end of it?

He's going to be like Reagan then? He's already got some practice in Indiana causing an AIDS crisis.

 

[Red Defence]

If you took all the extremist, fundamentalist, vile, sick elements of every politician in the western world and compressed them into a single warped human form, you'd basically have Mike Pence.

Here's a couple of the nice things he's said in the past..

On LGTB rights: "federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus."
On LGTB rights: “Societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family”
On gays in the military: “There’s no question to mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion”
On climate change: "Global warming is a myth...There, I said it. Just like the 'new Ice Age' scare of the 1970s, the environmental movement has found a new chant for their latest 'Chicken Little' attempt to raise taxes and grow centralized governmental power. The chant is 'the sky is warming! the sky is warming!'"
On smoking: “Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.”
On abortion: “I long for the day that Roe v. Wade is sent to the ash heap of history.”
On working women: "For years, we have gotten the message from the mouthpieces of the popular culture that you can have it all, career, kids and a two-car garage...Sure, you can have it all, but your day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick."
On evolution: "Do I believe in evolution? I embrace the view that God created the heavens and the Earth and the seas and all that's in them."
On contraception: "Frankly, condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases."

So yeah, that's Mike Pence..

What are his positive attributes?

 

[Kentonio]

What are his positive attributes?

He's never personally lynched a coloured person to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Red Dreams]

Who is yet controlled largely by similar impulses as other politicians: he is afraid of being embarrassed (on a large scale, politicians generally can live with the small stuff), he is afraid of being caught in a lie, he wants to be liked, he probably aspires to be in some way a reflection of past great politicians (how we all aspire to emulate our heroes), he is probably somewhat mindful of tradition... and other tempering aspects that apply to more stable people, be they conservative, liberal or down the middle.

He's also not particularly influent per se, Mr. Pence. He needs to work with Congress to do all he wishes, which you'd rightfully say also applies to Trump, but I think he'll make less of a public mess of everything while trying to push these things.

My overall point is that I can live with regular conservatives. I don't like it, but we've been through it before and there was still a democracy and institutions at the end of it, not damaged beyond repair. This Trump experiment, I'm not so sure. And this isn't a call to say we'll have dictatorship or anything like it after 4 (8?) years, I think nominally the institutions will still be the same. But what will be their state at the end of it?

fair enough. You have made yourself clear.

You can live with a Tea party conservative who will dismantle Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[Silva]

fair enough. You have made yourself clear.

You can live with a Tea party conservative who will dismantle Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Have you had some kind of memory loss over the past year? What exactly do you think will happen over the next 4 years? Trump isn't there to for policy, he's there so he can finger himself in the oval office. Pence is going to be leading the government. And Republicans have both houses.

 

[Kentonio]

Who is yet controlled largely by similar impulses as other politicians: he is afraid of being embarrassed (on a large scale, politicians generally can live with the small stuff), he is afraid of being caught in a lie, he wants to be liked, he probably aspires to be in some way a reflection of past great politicians (how we all aspire to emulate our heroes), he is probably somewhat mindful of tradition... and other tempering aspects that apply to more stable people, be they conservative, liberal or down the middle.

He's also not particularly influent per se, Mr. Pence. He needs to work with Congress to do all he wishes, which you'd rightfully say also applies to Trump, but I think he'll make less of a public mess of everything while trying to push these things.

My overall point is that I can live with regular conservatives. I don't like it, but we've been through it before and there was still a democracy and institutions at the end of it, not damaged beyond repair. This Trump experiment, I'm not so sure. And this isn't a call to say we'll have dictatorship or anything like it after 4 (8?) years, I think nominally the institutions will still be the same. But what will be their state at the end of it?

The problem there is that after the tea party purge of 2010, the GOP senators and congressmen have grown increasingly hardline and ideologically driven to the point of ridiculousness. The reason the Trump experiment doesn't worry me so much is because apart from his potential for causing serious international incidents via Twitter, there are many restraints on his powers. The best outcome I can see from this presidency is 4 years of infighting between Trump and both Democrats and his own party, with little major lost other than making America a laughing stock (which happened the moment he won to be fair).

Handing the Presidency to Mike Pence with the GOP in control of both senate and congress would be utterly and completely terrifying. The religious right would hold the keys to the kingdom and god help you if you're anything other than a straight white American born man.

 

[MTF]

fair enough. You have made yourself clear.

You can live with a Tea party conservative who will dismantle Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

I'll just leave GWB and his efforts as evidence that wanting does not equate to doing in this field.

 

[Silva]

The problem there is that after the tea party purge of 2010, the GOP senators and congressmen have grown increasingly hardline and ideologically driven to the point of ridiculousness. The reason the Trump experiment doesn't worry me so much is because apart from his potential for causing serious international incidents via Twitter, there are many restraints on his powers. The best outcome I can see from this presidency is 4 years of infighting between Trump and both Democrats and his own party, with little major lost other than making America a laughing stock (which happened the moment he won to be fair).

Handing the Presidency to Mike Pence with the GOP in control of both senate and congress would be utterly and completely terrifying. The religious right would hold the keys to the kingdom and god help you if you're anything other than a straight white American born man.

The dominionists and evangelicals already have the keys of Power. A Trump impeachment or death would simply mean that Pence gets the blame or merit for the job he's doing.

 

[Red Dreams]

The Democratic party sad to say seems bent on destroying Trump rather than see if they can in some way work with him to help the ordinary citizen.

 

[Silva]

The Democratic party sad to say seems bent on destroying Trump rather than see if they can in some way work with him to help the ordinary citizen.

Awww, didums, are the critiquing him? The democrats have been fecking spineless for as long as I can remember, if this is a kick to the backside then I can only hope they're not massive pussies about it.

 

[Ubik]

The Democratic party sad to say seems bent on destroying Trump rather than see if they can in some way work with him to help the ordinary citizen.

Just because you're fine with the tactics Trump has employed in getting elected, doesn't mean everybody else has to be.

 

[Red Dreams]

I'll just leave GWB and his efforts as evidence that wanting does not equate to doing in this field.

We will have to disagree strongly.

FYI the Republicans now control all branches of power. Trump is basically an independent. He is not an ideologue.

 

[Red Dreams]

Just because you're fine with the tactics Trump has employed in getting elected, doesn't mean everybody else has to be.

You mean Hillary's tactics.

 

[Silva]

That's it RD, stick up for the little guy. How's a billionaire president to cope.

 

[Ubik]

You mean Hillary's tactics.

This is your problem, you're genuinely obsessed with her. To the extent it's made you a tacit fan of a demagogue.

 

[MTF]

The problem there is that after the tea party purge of 2010, the GOP senators and congressmen have grown increasingly hardline and ideologically driven to the point of ridiculousness. The reason the Trump experiment doesn't worry me so much is because apart from his potential for causing serious international incidents via Twitter, there are many restraints on his powers. The best outcome I can see from this presidency is 4 years of infighting between Trump and both Democrats and his own party, with little major lost other than making America a laughing stock (which happened the moment he won to be fair).

Handing the Presidency to Mike Pence with the GOP in control of both senate and congress would be utterly and completely terrifying. The religious right would hold the keys to the kingdom and god help you if you're anything other than a straight white American born man.

We clearly attribute different priorities to different risks. Just remember that the President is generally more domestically restricted than on foreign policy.

 

[Silva]

This is your problem, you're genuinely obsessed with her. To the extent it's made you a tacit fan of a demagogue.

I fully expect RD to say Hillary would have gotten impeached sooner should Trump get taken down.

 

[GiddyUp]

Can't stand pence but I do believe he is not as dangerous as Trump. We know what Pence wants and how he will do it and if Obama had his court pick confirmed it wouldn't be a problem. That open seat is a real pain in the ass but times have changed so much in the last twenty years so it maybe a good thing to put these social issues to bed once and for all. I can't imagine Roe v Wade would be successfully overturned and I think same sex marriage is a closed argument.
Pence is a typical right wing stick up his ass pussy obsessed smug religious liar. Plenty of them around and they are losing their battles in the courts. Trump as he showed yesterday is obviously mentally unfit for the job and will destroy everything connected to the office of the presidency which will now be located at his home business in NY.
It's always a good idea not to chose the insane one as this election showed and I would be more then happy to march against a Pence administration like millions have over the last few years against republican controlled state legislatures. Marching against someone like Trump would more than likely lead to an order to authorities to use physical and lethal force against his detractors and four years of personal vendettas against anyone that speaks I'll of him. All the while the most dangerous and nefarious global characters can mould him by simply complimenting him.
Don't get me wrong, Mike Pence is a disgrace of a human being and wholly unfit to lead this nation and the world but he is not a dumbfeck egotistical baby who will stand in front of the world next to a table stacked with empty paper and folders just to give the illusion of comprehension.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

We clearly attribute different priorities to different risks. Just remember that the President is generally more domestically restricted than on foreign policy.

Tbh, at this stage, an easily manipulated megalomaniac seems preferable to a far right religious nut in said aspect.