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I'm past the point of anger and fear of the thought of his Presidency. I'm actually quite relaxed about it now because I refuse to believe that this risible character will be able to keep his shit together long enough to cause any real damage. I don't think he is going to last 6 months in the job let alone 4 years.

It's a 14+ hour a day job, 7 days a week which requires constant attention, research and reflection. He's going to be constantly letting hugely influential people down with his lack of knowledge, interest and effort and will end up a political laughing stock forced out of the role kicking and screaming.
Either that or by march he is going to start a permawar with China... suspens elections indefinitely, declare himself emporer with ivanka his appointed successor and anybody who speaks out will be sent to a labour camp to build the wall / be buried in the wall...
So yeah I'm a little less optimistic
 
Either that or by march he is going to start a permawar with China... suspens elections indefinitely, declare himself emporer with ivanka his appointed successor and anybody who speaks out will be sent to a labour camp to build the wall / be buried in the wall...
So yeah I'm a little less optimistic

If he pushes America towards any sort of hostile scenario with any other power house or spoils relationships with key trade partners to any extreme extent I think the SCOTUS will step in and call it a day with him.

The President is a very powerful position but he doesn't have absolute power to throw the country's toys out of his pram as he feels. He can still be held accountable if his actions are deemed to be against the interest of the country.
 
I doubt anyone is surprised but check out The Donald's legal forms he was proudly boasting about and showcasing from the press conference. No folder labels, no page numbers, the paper is apparently the wrong size (not legal size), no stickies, an utter lack of any form of organisation at all etc.


Maybe they're just random files put there for effect. We've only got their word for it that they're Trump files and I find it difficult to believe that they would actually risk putting any real "Trump" files there.

Really? Only watched 4 minutes of it, but thought Rubio comes across as a dick.
Always got the impression that Rubio does not rate Trump and that may extend to his choice of officials.
 
Romney must've left his 'binders full of women' behind.
 
Interesting watch on BBC News just now. One of their security correspondents says Steele was not an agent but an officer.....in other words he ran a number of agents. He is a Russia specialist and still has numerous contacts in Moscow from his time over there.

He was asked early last year to investigate Trump's relationship with Russia by a PAC group in Washington and was so concerned with what he found that he passed the dossier straight to the FBI in August 2016....against the advice of his company. This was leaked in October of last year. Buzzfeed then chose to publish it this month.

Wasn't aware the FBI had known about this dossier for so long.
 
BBC's Paul Wood on Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?

And the former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".

The claims of Russian kompromat on Mr Trump were "credible", the CIA believed. That is why - according to the New York Times and Washington Post - these claims ended up on President Barack Obama's desk last week, a briefing document also given to Congressional leaders and to Mr Trump himself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38589427#pq=RbIoXb
 
Interesting watch on BBC News just now. One of their security correspondents says Steele was not an agent but an officer.....in other words he ran a number of agents. He is a Russia specialist and still has numerous contacts in Moscow from his time over there.

He was asked early last year to investigate Trump's relationship with Russia by a PAC group in Washington and was so concerned with what he found that he passed the dossier straight to the FBI in August 2016....against the advice of his company. This was leaked in October of last year. Buzzfeed then chose to publish it this month.

Wasn't aware the FBI had known about this dossier for so long.

If the FBI have had the files since August, then they should have been able to verify or disprove some of the claims.

But then again, this organisation is run by someone who duped a lot of people (including myself) when he announced they found new emails like 2 weeks before the election.
 
Maybe it's a case of the FBI waiting to see if they could work with Trump, and now - perhaps too late - they've found that he'll willingly threaten their interests.
 
If the FBI have had the files since August, then they should have been able to verify or disprove some of the claims.

But then again, this organisation is run by someone who duped a lot of people (including myself) when he announced they found new emails like 2 weeks before the election.
Comey announced they were investigating HC just before voting but chose not to mention that they were investigating Trump. Time for Comey to explain himself methinks.

Be difficult to get the tapes (if they exist) but they may have been able to confirm the dossier contents. Would they have told us if they had verified them though?
 
I think its a disgrace the spy's name has been leaked by the Wall Street Journal.

Apparently he has gone into hiding. Hopefully he is under armed guard.
 
Comey announced they were investigating HC just before voting but chose not to mention that they were investigating Trump. Time for Comey to explain himself methinks.

Be difficult to get the tapes (if they exist) but they may have been able to confirm the dossier contents. Would they have told us if they had verified them though?

That would likely have been leaked, considering Trump has made a lot of enemies in the IC.
 
That's wrong on so many front. Trump obviously has no intention of ever releasing his returns and his supporters aren't likely to be Moby enthusiasts.
 
What is wrong with some of the gutter press. Daily Mail have posted a photo of the spy's home :rolleyes:
 
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I think its a disgrace the spy's name has been leaked by the Wall Street Journal.

Apparently he has gone into hiding. Hopefully he is under armed guard.
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What is wrong with some of the gutter press. Daily Mail have posted a photo of the spy's home :rolleyes:
Not in the public interest, and sets a dangerous president*: the message is: 'attack Trump and your life will be in peril."

Perhaps it's no coincidence that Trump ally Piers Morgan is employed by the Mail.


*Lol etc.
 
I have no love for Ted Cruz, far from it, but he and his wife were treated disgustingly by the Moron Elect and his friends at The National Enquirer. I cannot blame Ted for his reaction at all, I felt extremely sorry for him and his family for having to deal with all that.

This is the really scary part for me, that Trump could make people like Cruz seem moderate and sympathetic to people. Cruz is a monster, no matter how bad Trump is.
 
Not in the public interest, and sets a dangerous president*: the message is: 'attack Trump and your life will be in peril."

Perhaps it's no coincidence that Trump ally Piers Morgan is employed by the Mail.


*Lol etc.
That would likely have been leaked, considering Trump has made a lot of enemies in the IC.
If the CIA (who would be hopefully investigating the allegations) and the FBI hadn't found anything to corroborate the allegations in the dossier then they would have stated that by now, which worryingly suggests they haven't been able to dismiss them at all.
 
The plot thickens

I understand the CIA believes it is credible that the Kremlin has such kompromat - or compromising material - on the next US commander in chief. At the same time a joint taskforce, which includes the CIA and the FBI, has been investigating allegations that the Russians may have sent money to Mr Trump's organisation or his election campaign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38589427
 
BBC: President-elect Trump claims US intelligence chief Clapper called him to "denounce false Russia report"
 
BBC: President-elect Trump claims US intelligence chief Clapper called him to "denounce false Russia report"

This puts Clapper in a tight spot to either say "yes I did" or "no I didn't." if questioned about Trump's claims.
 
Moby will DJ at Donald Trump inauguration event if he releases tax returns
:lol:

Why didn't he make this offer during the primaries? Embarrassing tax returns which show vested interests on the one hand, smooth techno vibes on the other. It's not even a choice.
 
So Comey deliberately failed to mention that they were investigating Trump but yet mentioned they may be checking some more of HC's emails.
Maybe the Trump investigations were being audited.
 
Carefully built relationships of Trust between intelligence communities now starting to fracture with the incoming administration:

US intel sources warn Israel against sharing secrets with Trump administration
Israeli intelligence officials fear that top-classified information that has been exposed to the United States will be leaked to Russia – and from Russia to its close ally, Iran.

Ronen Bergman |Published: 12.01.17 , 14:12

Donald Trump’s upcoming inauguration as the next president of the United States is causing Israeli intelligence officials to lose sleep as well. Discussions held in closed forums recently raised fears of a leakage of Israeli intelligence top-classified information, clandestine modus oprandi and sources, which have been exposed to the American intelligence community over the past 15 years, to Russia – and from there to Iran.

The cause of concern are the suspicions of unreported ties between the president-elect or his associates and the Kremlin, whose agents are also associated with intelligence officials in Tehran.



Trump (L) and Putin. American officials believe the Russian president has ‘leverages of pressure’ over the US president-elect (Photo: AFP)

These fears, which began upon Trump’s election, grew stronger following a meeting held recently between Israeli and American intelligence officials (the date of the meeting is not mentioned to protect the sources of the report). During the meeting, according to the Israelis who participated in it, their American colleagues voiced despair over Trump’s election, as he often lashes out at the American intelligence community. The American officials also told the Israelis that the National Security Agency (NSA) had “highly credible information” that Russia’s intelligence agencies, the FSB and GRU, were responsible for hacking the Democratic Party (DNC) servers during the elections and leaking sensitive information to WikiLeaks, which hurt Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

The American officials further added that they believed Russia President Vladimir Putin had “leverages of pressure” over Trump – but did not elaborate. They were apparently referring to what was published Wednesday about embarrassing information collected by the Russian intelligence (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4905959,00.html) in a bid to blackmail the president-elect.

The Americans implied that their Israeli colleagues should “be careful” as of January 20, Trump’s inauguration date, when transferring intelligence information to the White House and to the National Security Council (NSC), which is subject to the president. According to the Israelis who were present in the meeting, the Americans recommended that until it is made clear that Trump is not inappropriately connected to Russia and is not being extorted – Israel should avoid revealing sensitive sources to administration officials for fear the information would reach the Iranians.

If Israel’s secrets are indeed not kept confidential, this is a serious danger to the state’s national security: Since the early 2000s, the cooperation between the Israel and US intelligence communities has been intensified. It was led by the head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate (AMAN) at the time, Aharon Ze’evi Farkash (who even received a citation from the NSA Chief General Michael Hayden), late Mossad chief Meir Dagan and his successor, Tamir Pardo, who served earlier as the commander of one of the secret operational units that cooperated with the Americans.

Most of the joint operations between the two countries’ intelligence communities were directed, according to reports, against Iran, and a small part of them – against Hezbollah and Hamas. The ties became even tighter in the previous decade on the backdrop of Primes Ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert’s close relations with US President George W. Bush.

In 2008, the intelligence cooperation between Israel and the US received a sort of authorization in the form of an official agreement for comprehensive cooperation and exposure of sources and methods of action, which was defined by a senior state official as “complete mutual striptease” between Bush and Olmert. The deep cooperation, which went on for years, led to impressive results, including the disruption of the Iranian nuclear program.

These operations were led, according to the media outside of Israel by Operation Olympic Games, which included the creation of computer viruses such as Stuxnet, which badly damaged the Iranian nuclear program. Non-Israeli media outlets even reported that the Mossad and the CIA collaborated in the assassination of Hezbollah commander Imad Mughniyah in Damascus in 2008.

When the secret talks between the US and Iran over a nuclear agreement began in 2013, President Barack Obama put an end to any offensive activity against Iran. However, this did not stop the depth of Israel’s intelligence exposure vis-à-vis the US. A leakage of some of these secrets could cause great damage. Israel is not just afraid of Russia – but also of Iran.

In their meeting with their Israeli colleagues, the American intelligence officials were able to point to information included in the Snowden documents about specific highly secret American operation in Iran. The Americans are convinced that Edward Snowden handed the information over to the Russian intelligence – as part of the deal for receiving political asylum – and that parts of it were handed over to Tehran as part of Putin’s policy to increase Iranian dependence – not just Syrian dependence – on Moscow, all aimed at serving one final purpose: To restore Russia’s position as the influential world power in the region.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html
 
so what will actually happen if he is gone before he even starts?

I assume a new election of will it go to the VP?
 
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