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oates said:
I think he was a bit gobby but it was obvious Trump was spoiling for a fight and Sanders has been involved in some shenanigans with the video.
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Agreed. Acosta was a little bit gobby and yes he may have been grandstanding a little but he was asking questions and doing his job. Every single reporter worth their salt should be treating Trump exactly the same way. His bullshit should be called out and in no way tolerated and he should be held to the fire. And I would expect the same of ANY politician who continuously lied or avoided answering questions.

The American press are fecking pussies, can you imagine Paxman and Trump? :lol: These people are voted to power by citizens and make life changing decisions. They have to be accountable to someone and Trump continuously acts like he isn't. It needs to stop. More need to be like Acosta not less. And he most certainly does not deserve to be persecuted like he is and treated like he is by the President of the USA and his Press Secretary. Showing doctored footage and inventing a story of assault is next level dictatorship bullshit. Acosta is receiving death threats and after recent events how the feck anyone can side with Trump on this one is completely beyond me.
 
do.ob said:
I don't even know what you're trying to say. Almost everyone thinks that they know the truth and are doing good things. If that was enough to do whatever you want then we get chaos, or in the context of these press meetings: everyone shouting over each other and no questions getting answered. It's not even like Acosta was doing something righteous, he was putting himself in the spotlight with a pointless and stupid question, trying to fish for pointless controversy.


Acosta got to ask a question (about the caravan), Trump answered the question and the follow-ups. Then it was someone else's turn to ask a question. Indicated by Trump saying "Peter, go ahead", but Acosta just tried to bulldoze through that, with a completely unrelated topic even. Do you think he was fearing his colleagues would have forgotten to ask the most stupid question about Müller? He just wanted to be the one who got to ask it on camera.

Why does it have to be one side being right and the other being wrong? It's naive thinking like that which the circus in America is thriving on.
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Interesting reply! What fascinates me is the rigid and disproportional obesession for the 'rules' - you've literally referred to them in every post in this dicussion. I don't understand how a journalist asking another question (and thereby maybe making a colleague wait) can be put morally on par with the delusional answers, question dodging, outright lies and general damaging rhetoric of a POTUS concerning subjects that can severely hurt a nation.

I think Trump's reaction to Jim Acosta's questions are a very clear and blatant attack on the free press, like we've seen hundreds and hundreds of times by this administration over the last two years. I would also say that anyone who denies this is delusional.

The fact that that CNN isn't a non profit organization (thanks for explaining that) and that a journalist might be trying to make a name for himself are one thing, another thing is criticising a journalist for asking valid questions. Because that's what I think they are, I genuinely don't see what's unreasonable about Jim Acosta's line of questioning or his behaviour in this press conference given the specific circumstances of the situation.

Or in short: I understand what you're saying about both sides being wrong, but I simply don't see how this is a case where both parties are in the wrong. I think this is a very clear case of Trump being the one who's wrong, but of course we already know that and it's just more complaining about the same and more of the boring same old accusations.
 
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Revan said:
I understand that, but then what is to stop Republicans to do the same when they get in power (which might mean very soon if the move is not very popular), and then make 19/21 SCOTUS.
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Because any first attempt is more likely to go through than the 2nd, which shows how the whole system is a farce. If it gets to that, would be used as catalyst to introducing term limit for the court while resizing it.

People tend not to care about these issues until the absurdity of it all slap them in the face.
 
langster said:
Agreed. Acosta was a little bit gobby and yes he may have been grandstanding a little but he was asking questions and doing his job. Every single reporter worth their salt should be treating Trump exactly the same way. His bullshit should be called out and in no way tolerated and he should be held to the fire. And I would expect the same of ANY politician who continuously lied or avoided answering questions.

The American press are fecking pussies, can you imagine Paxman and Trump? :lol: These people are voted to power by citizens and make life changing decisions. They have to be accountable to someone and Trump continuously acts like he isn't. It needs to stop. More need to be like Acosta not less. And he most certainly does not deserve to be persecuted like he is and treated like he is by the President of the USA and his Press Secretary. Showing doctored footage and inventing a story of assault is next level dictatorship bullshit. Acosta is receiving death threats and after recent events how the feck anyone can side with Trump on this one is completely beyond me.
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This.

All reporters should act exactly like Acosta did. Don't give him a podium to spout his verbal stream of shite. Call him out on everything, constantly, persistently. Let him revoke everyone's access to the white house. No one will write about him. With a bit of luck, without attention he'l be like a plant without water and wither away and die.
 
langster said:
Agreed. Acosta was a little bit gobby and yes he may have been grandstanding a little but he was asking questions and doing his job. Every single reporter worth their salt should be treating Trump exactly the same way. His bullshit should be called out and in no way tolerated and he should be held to the fire. And I would expect the same of ANY politician who continuously lied or avoided answering questions.

The American press are fecking pussies, can you imagine Paxman and Trump? :lol: These people are voted to power by citizens and make life changing decisions. They have to be accountable to someone and Trump continuously acts like he isn't. It needs to stop. More need to be like Acosta not less. And he most certainly does not deserve to be persecuted like he is and treated like he is by the President of the USA and his Press Secretary. Showing doctored footage and inventing a story of assault is next level dictatorship bullshit. Acosta is receiving death threats and after recent events how the feck anyone can side with Trump on this one is completely beyond me.
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Yep, when you're faced with a bully best practice is to reflect what you are getting.
 
KirkDuyt said:
This.

All reporters should act exactly like Acosta did. Don't give him a podium to spout his verbal stream of shite. Call him out on everything, constantly, persistently. Let him revoke everyone's access to the white house. No one will write about him. With a bit of luck, without attention he'l be like a plant without water and wither away and die.
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All of this was true in the summer of 2015.

Cable news are enjoying their biggest windfall since Trump entered the scene. As much as they protest and grandstand, they know he’s a golden goose for their 24/7 news cycle.
 
KirkDuyt said:
This.

All reporters should act exactly like Acosta did. Don't give him a podium to spout his verbal stream of shite. Call him out on everything, constantly, persistently. Let him revoke everyone's access to the white house. No one will write about him. With a bit of luck, without attention he'l be like a plant without water and wither away and die.
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That's not what Acosta was doing. He was talking over the President and peppering him with questions, depriving others of the chance to do so.

I'm all for Reporters asking President Trump the toughest questions. I'd have every single reporter in the room pick one topic and go after it. delve into detail. Pin him down, make him look a fool for 45 minutes. Repeat questions when he doesn't answer your colleagues first round.

But I'm not going to condone behaviour that sees one reporter monopolise the time, expect to ask extra questions on different topics and generally act like an ass.

If nothing else, people should respect the office. The position of President. The structure of briefings etc. To not respect that means you're not left with much when that pleb vacates the seat.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
That's not what Acosta was doing. He was talking over the President and peppering him with questions, depriving others of the chance to do so.

I'm all for Reporters asking President Trump the toughest questions. I'd have every single reporter in the room pick one topic and go after it. delve into detail. Pin him down, make him look a fool for 45 minutes. Repeat questions when he doesn't answer your colleagues first round.

But I'm not going to condone behaviour that sees one reporter monopolise the time, expect to ask extra questions on different topics and generally act like an ass.

If nothing else, people should respect the office. The position of President. The structure of briefings etc. To not respect that means you're not left with much when that pleb vacates the seat.
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I don't get this. Respect is something you earn, whether you're a plumber or the master of the universe. I'm all for not breaking protocol, but freedom of the press is more important than the president of the United States and that's something that this cnut is thoroughly trying to destroy. He should be chased out of the white house by a torch and pitchfork wielding mob. Feck protocol.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
If nothing else, people should respect the office. The position of President. The structure of briefings etc. To not respect that means you're not left with much when that pleb vacates the seat.
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Trump himself does not respect the office.
 
Eboue said:
Yeah right. We've had slave owners and rapists and war criminals and all sorts of evil feckers as president. They deserve no respect.
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That’s the thing that always gets me about the reverence some people have for the office.

The president should respect it.

The people should respect him as much as he deserves. He is our employee, after all.
 
Eboue said:
Yeah right. We've had slave owners and rapists and war criminals and all sorts of evil feckers as president. They deserve no respect.
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Yeah yeah, I'm with you. I'd also rather burn it all down and start again, but there's no appetite for that, anywhere.
 
Carolina Red said:
That’s the thing that always gets me about the reverence some people have for the office.

The president should respect it.

The people should respect him as much as he deserves. He is our employee, after all.
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I've been quoted about 4 times already and people missed my point.

I'm not telling anyone to respect President Trump. Harry, question and probe him. Relentlessly. But there are some basic principles of decorum that everyone else in that room adhered to.

Trying to control a media event by raising your voice, resolutely holding the mic and shouting.... It's daft. Those things have an agreed format and Acosta grandstanding sees me give him little sympathy. It turned the whole thing into a sh1tshow. The Press has so many weapons available. They should be doing far better.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
That's not what Acosta was doing. He was talking over the President and peppering him with questions, depriving others of the chance to do so.

I'm all for Reporters asking President Trump the toughest questions. I'd have every single reporter in the room pick one topic and go after it. delve into detail. Pin him down, make him look a fool for 45 minutes. Repeat questions when he doesn't answer your colleagues first round.

But I'm not going to condone behaviour that sees one reporter monopolise the time, expect to ask extra questions on different topics and generally act like an ass.

If nothing else, people should respect the office. The position of President. The structure of briefings etc. To not respect that means you're not left with much when that pleb vacates the seat.
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People do respect the office of President that’s why they do f.a. about what’s going on. It’s why the Dems do f.a. and it’s why the rest of the US does f.a. They complain about everything he does, both legal and illegal but they sit back and do nothing.

Respect the President though...nah! He’s not earned any respect. He’s earning himself nothing but disgust and contempt. His behaviour should be an embarrassment to the people of America. It’s certainly an embarrassment to the rest of the world.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I'm not telling anyone to respect President Trump. Harry, question and probe him. Relentlessly. But there are some basic principles of decorum that everyone else in that room adhered to.

Trying to control a media event by raising your voice, resolutely holding the mic and shouting.... It's daft. Those things have an agreed format and Acosta grandstanding sees me give him little sympathy. It turned the whole thing into a sh1tshow. The Press has so many weapons available. They should be doing far better.
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We have a free press. Any time the president steps up to a podium and acts dismissively to the press, castigates them, ridiculed them, etc. they have every right to act how Acosta did.
 
Anyone would think Acosta did something despicable... I must be missing something.
 
Frosty said:
Maybe so but I think her husband died and she still felt she had something to give. However, it could be that Trump gets a third pick, and if so, this one will be seismic.
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Seems pretty selfish to risk the reproductive rights of every woman in the country because she didnt want to sit home and watch wheel of fortune.
 
Massive Spanner said:
What are your thoughts on him suspending Acosta's white house access?
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Trump should have his White House pass confiscated for hurling personal abuse at a member of the press. When you can’t control a situation except by verbally abusing someone who isn’t in a position to defend themselves, in front of the TV cameras, you don’t deserve White House access. It’s an abuse of power.
 
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Revan said:
That is pretty ridiculous then. Muller should just make public whatever he has and then the investigation to continue from the house. Would be a pity if everything is lost.
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The House Intelligence Comity can rehire him if that happens and have him work to their mandate.
 
Revan said:
She has already had a similar accident, defeated cancer etc. She's a fighter, will pull this of.
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I think the expression defeating cancer is weird. It's like people who die of cancer are somehow not strong enough to fight it. If you have cancer spread throughout your body you will die. If you don't you're lucky as feck, but defeating cancer, I don't know.
 
Revan said:
She has already had a similar accident, defeated cancer etc. She's a fighter, will pull this of.
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She's 85. Fighter or not it's hard to imagine her lasting much longer, grim as that sounds.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I've been quoted about 4 times already and people missed my point.

I'm not telling anyone to respect President Trump. Harry, question and probe him. Relentlessly. But there are some basic principles of decorum that everyone else in that room adhered to.

Trying to control a media event by raising your voice, resolutely holding the mic and shouting.... It's daft. Those things have an agreed format and Acosta grandstanding sees me give him little sympathy. It turned the whole thing into a sh1tshow. The Press has so many weapons available. They should be doing far better.
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These two words? Really?

If there's one thing Trump does not adhere to ever, it's decorum. Why the hell should the press?!
 
Fergies Gum said:
McConnell will be rubbing his hands in glee. Going to be a nightmare if she dies before 1 Jan 2020.
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Even if it's in 2020, does anyone really expect McConnell to stick to his 'no Supreme Court Justice in an election year' rule? That was confected nonsense to block an Obama nominee. She has to make it to the next presidential election.
 
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alsabi said:
Even if it's in 2020, does anyone really expect McConnell to stick to his 'no Supreme Court Justice in an election year' rule? That was confected nonsense to block an Obama nominee. She has to make it to the next presidential election.
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I guess he meant 2021. And it should be 20th January. Forget about a lame duck pres, Republicans would elect a judge even if Trump loses the election and they lose the senate (so between the election and 20 January).
 
Revan said:
I guess he meant 2021. And it should be 20th January. Forget about a lame duck pres, Republicans would elect a judge even if Trump loses the election and they lose the senate (so between the election and 20 January).
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She'd be nearly 88 years old by the next inauguration. Crazy that the US Supreme Court has no upper age limit when so many courts in the states and other countries do, making scenarios like this much rarer. Yet to introduce one you'd need to amend the Constitution.
 
alsabi said:
Yet to introduce one you'd need to amend the Constitution.
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If Trump and the Republicans actions over the last two years especially, AND the constant mass shootings show us anything its that near enough the whole bloody thing needs to be ripped up and written again.
 
So am I getting this right? Real video = fake news. Doctored video propaganda = the truth?

Are shites smeared on a plate called "duck liver pate" now as well? This new world is getting so confusing...
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So am I getting this right? Real video = fake news. Doctored video propaganda = the truth?

Are shites smeared on a plate called "duck liver pate" now as well? This new world is getting so confusing...
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More conversation about a journo doing his job (as opposed to making shit up and passing it off as truth) than there is about the White House pushing more propaganda.
 
Guinsburg or not, it doesn't matter if Trump wins in 2020.
She fecked up not retiring during the Obama years. Every self respecting doctor would be telling her to quit. Things are fecked.
Imagine this bastard making 3+ appointments?
 
Adisa said:
Guinsburg or not, it doesn't matter if Trump wins in 2020.
She fecked up not retiring during the Obama years. Every self respecting doctor would be telling her to quit. Things are fecked.
Imagine this bastard making 3+ appointments?
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I've always thought Ginsburg's views on the judiciary came from an earlier, less partisan place, where judges retired when they are ready and paid little heed to who the President was. Also, I am sure she was with most of the left in thinking Donald couldn't win, especially considering the polls even on election day.
 
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