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RedTiger said:
Don't joke about it. If you've ever considered it then honestly just do it. Those of us who are civically minded will never bring about change unless we actively engage within the political process.

20 years ago I had the chance to run for a council seat with the LibDems, I was told I'd get their nomination if I agreed, but I managed to talk myself out of it so I never ran. I regret it now, my life has changed since then and I can't take that path now.

If you ever get the chance then just do it otherwise you'll regret.
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The big problem is I live in the most conservative part of a conservative state in a first past the post, winner take all, two party system.

It’s fecking rigged, man.
 
Eboue said:
you can speak to them without being what you described. campaign to the hundred million people so disaffected that they didnt vote at all and you will pick up a bunch of these people. ill always remember one particular line in this article because people will vote in their own self interest. hillary clinton just offered absolutely nothing to them

https://www.salon.com/2008/11/03/racists_for_obama/
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That's a good read. "We're voting for the nigger" sounds like a comedy skit.

I probably went a few steps by far in my original point. No need to be that.

Perhaps; "The Democrats need someone that a Cowboy, a Nascar driver, a Farmer, a Gun-shooting moonshine-swilling tobacco-chewing fully fledged and endorsed man of the people can vote for" is better phrasing.

An absolute slam dunk would have been to throw Hillary under the bus. Irrespective of the fact that they got more votes, they lost the election fair and square. In the three political systems I've lived amongst (UK, France, New Zealand) if you run a campaign and fail that badly, you're marginalised, ridiculed and trodden on for the party to regain ground. The simple act of prominent Democrats speaking out against her would have instantly seen most of those losses shrunk. She was an awful candidate and is a very compromised, odd human being. The only upside to Trump winning was her losing.

So many people in America went 'Fcuk it' when they were given a choice between two borderline unelectables. They either didn't vote, or they voted for the candidate that was at least attempting to speak for/to them. There were fine margins in place.
 
niMic said:
That doesn't make any sense. Losing the Obama voters is what won Trump the election in the first place. It's not like the demographics have gotten any more favourable for the republicans. At best they've stayed the same, which means regaining the lost voters is enough the difference between losing or winning a second election.
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It makes perfect sense. yes, there are some permanent voters that will press the same blue or red button every election for their lifetime. There are single issue voters that have no choice as well.

But I'm liberal to a fault on almost all subjects. I wouldn't have voted for Hillary Clinton. I'd have abstained. I'd be one of the people that Democrats could point at and say 'This is your fault' and my retort would be: "No it's definitely your fault"

The idea that 'Trumps Base' are immovable objects is nonsensical. If the Democrat party cannot get poor white people to vote for change after a Billionaire has had 4 years operating at this level of abject stupidity with every turned corner giving more to the rich and less to the poor..... They need to pack their shit up and go home. ALL of those votes should be seen as being on the table.

The Democrats seem to believe as you're saying "Well we'll just take back the ones that we lost and all will be fine". If that's the plan, they will lose again.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
As an American(?) what % chance of success would you give that? Obviously hard to access without a candidate in place.
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i think the democratic candidate will win in 2020. there are only like a dozen people in the country who could have lost to trump and the dems insisted on nominating one of them. so if they nominate biden or harris or whoever they will win and have 4-8 years of military interventions, market based healthcare "solutions", continued mass incarceration and drug wars and the hollowed out post industrial middle of the country will be even more desperate and when they inevitably lose patience with President Wall Street with a D next to their name the backlash will lead to another trump or worse.

the real problem is that the people who run the democratic party have no connection to most of the people in this country and dont understand how real the anger is and how bad things are in youngstown and flint and gary. they will continue to have fundraisers sponsored by northrupp grumman where they talk about how happy they are that President Cory Booker restored decency to the oval office while normal people become increasingly desperate
 
Eboue said:
i think the democratic candidate will win in 2020. there are only like a dozen people in the country who could have lost to trump and the dems insisted on nominating one of them. so if they nominate biden or harris or whoever they will win and have 4-8 years of military interventions, market based healthcare "solutions", continued mass incarceration and drug wars and the hollowed out post industrial middle of the country will be even more desperate and when they inevitably lose patience with President Wall Street with a D next to their name the backlash will lead to another trump or worse.

the real problem is that the people who run the democratic party have no connection to most of the people in this country and dont understand how real the anger is and how bad things are in youngstown and flint and gary. they will continue to have fundraisers sponsored by northrupp grumman where they talk about how happy they are that President Cory Booker restored decency to the oval office while normal people become increasingly desperate
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You've asked this kind of question to the internet in the past year or so havent you?

You could have added the new age indentured servitude that is a College education but otherwise the bolded is pretty much the same view an outsider gets of the US. Money making solutions prized over the public good. It seems to be a country that is full of people that believe they are free. But that view of freedom is based on being allowed to own a gun and display a flag. They live under an oppressive government that is never giving more than it takes to the majority of it's citizens.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
You've asked this kind of question to the internet in the past year or so havent you?

You could have added the new age indentured servitude that is a College education but otherwise the bolded is pretty much the same view an outsider gets of the US. Money making solutions prized over the public good. It seems to be a country that is full of people that believe they are free. But that view of freedom is based on being allowed to own a gun and display a flag. They live under an oppressive government that is never giving more than it takes to the majority of it's citizens.
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maybe some day. but ive not seriously thought about leaving. this is my home.
 


Guy is just a cnut in every way imaginable, isn't he?:lol:
 
2cents said:
Michael Sheuer is the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit who famously blamed Bill Clinton for the failure to kill Usama before 9/11. IMO he got some stuff right and some stuff wrong around that time; he's always leaned to the paleoconservative side of things, arguing that US interventions in the Middle East only caused trouble and were conducted largely at the behest of Israel and the Saudis. He was depicted quite negatively in the recent "Looming Tower" series, in contrast to the FBI's John O'Neill (played by Jeff Daniels). Here's what Scheuer had to say about O'Neill after 9/11:



Anyway, he's now gone completely nuts. Some highlights from his blog, amidst a lot of nonsense:

"As this week’s end, it seems likely that it is quite near time for killing those involved in the multiple and clearly delineated attempts to stage a coup d’état against the legitimately elected Trump government and thereby kill our republic...

...The week saw FBI agent Strzok brazenly lie to the Congress, show his own detestation for everyday Americans – it’s their smell, he says — and display facial and other physical quirks that appeared very reminiscent of a demented beaver, a drug addict, or a loyal Democrat...

...this week saw a significant and quickening advance toward the moment when those millions of well-armed citizens who voted for Trump, and who have been abused or wounded by Democrats, their Antifa-thugs, and their thug-civil servants for exercising their franchise to elect Trump, cannot be, in good conscience, patient for much longer.

Fortunately, they have in hand a long and very precise list of the names and photographs of those who hate and threaten them, their families, their way-of-life, their liberty, their livelihoods and their republic. No self-respecting and determined-to-remain-independent citizenry can let themselves forever be held hostage by thug-civil-servants like Strzok, Comey, McCabe, Page, and Rosenstein; worshipers of tyranny, like the Democratic members of Congress, the Clintons, the FBI, and the Obamas; apparent traitors like Brennan, Hayden, and Clapper; all of the mainstream media; and the tens of thousands of government-admitted-and-protected, violent, criminal, and illegal immigrants.

American patriots have so far, praise God, been remarkably disciplined in not responding to tyranny and violence with violence. For now they must remain so, armed but steady. But the time for such patience is fast slipping away; indeed, that patience is quickly becoming an obviously rank and self-destructive foolishness. If Trump does not act soon to erase the above noted tyranny and tyrants, the armed citizenry must step in and eliminate them.

It is, of course, far better if Trump does so, and I pray and believe he will. That said, the sheer, nay, utter joy and satisfaction to be derived from beholding great piles of dead U.S.-citizen tyrants is not one that will be missed if Trump does not soon do the necessary to save the republic. But if he fails, the citizenry must act to ensure that Hillary’s predictive words are proven correct. “If Trump wins,” she apparently said, “we will all hang.”"​
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He was always a bit odd, but now he’s acting like an absolute cnut. ‘The Looming Tower’ got a few characters correct, he & his female acolyte were two that were quite spot on.
 
KirkDuyt said:
I can't get over how mean, unfriendly, just plain evil Sara Sanders looks. Why would you hire someone like that to talk to the press. I don't believe people are inherently evil, but she makes me question this believe.
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Well one of her brother's did kill a dog afterall... and all siblings are very bizarre looking, almost unhuman in appearance.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Well this guys a real treat!
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niMic said:
What the feck! This has to be against the law, right, even in the US?
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Have you read the comments beneath the blog?

The nutter responds to posts like you'd imagine some random CT nutter not a man that spent years in the CIA. He's a clear and present danger to the public and should be hauled off IMO.

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David Blend · 2 days ago

Wow, thank you for this erotic fantasy about my eventual murder. I hope the jet of semen that exploded from your penis as you reached the climactic sentence didn't get in your eye!
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Trump really did a number on this guy. Fired but still defending him like he's his dad.
 
Spicer is ultimately a long time GOP hack, so its unlikely he is going to suddenly have a come to Jesus moment just because Trump is no longer his employer.
 
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Neo_Mufc said:
I'm no politics expert but is he the most hated president ever?
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bush had a 22 percent apporval rating at one point.
Trumps aproval rating is 41 percent nationally and among republicans its nearly 90 percent. So he is hardly hated
 
ChaddyP said:
bush had a 22 percent apporval rating at one point.
Trumps aproval rating is 41 percent nationally and among republicans its nearly 90 percent. So he is hardly hated
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In some ways though, he's a bit of an anomaly compared to past Presidents.

Most previous Presidents had spells where they jumped between extremely high and extremely low ratings. Bush was eventually incredibly unpopular, but his approval ratings were extraordinary post-9/11. Similarly, Obama was viewed very favourably immediately after he became President, but had points where he wasn't doing too well.

Trump's got a solid support base that doesn't seem to be going away at all, but also has a portion of the population that consistently hate him and who won't change on that front.
 
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