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Has Trump singled anyone else out for having an extraordinarily low IQ, or was that just his roundabout way of calling a black woman a n----r?

I know he had his back-and-forth with Tillerson but I seem to recall he only claimed to have a higher IQ than him.

Said it about De Niro just the other week.
 


This is accurate but even a bit conservative I think. You think racism is bad now? Wait till unemployment is at 30%. You think immigration is a crisis now? Wait until New York, Miam and New Orleans are under water. Things are going to change drastically in my lifetime. The center cannot hold. We have to decide whether we want a world of billionaires living behind fences with armed guards while our communities suffer or if we want a more equitable society where no one becomes a billionaire by stealing from workers and polluting the environment.


You're having a laugh if you think 21st century humans will look beyond next Christmas in regards to the overall picture.

It's observationally evident that the world is heading for an almighty fall of both the civilisational and habitat kind.

I'm resigned to this now, I feel more and more depressed as the days go by.
 
You're having a laugh if you think 21st century humans will look beyond next Christmas in regards to the overall picture.

It's observationally evident that the world is heading for an almighty fall of both the civilisational and habitat kind.

I'm resigned to this now, I feel more and more depressed as the days go by.


I agree. Trying to figure out how best to ride it out.
 
You're having a laugh if you think 21st century humans will look beyond next Christmas in regards to the overall picture.

It's observationally evident that the world is heading for an almighty fall of both the civilisational and habitat kind.

I'm resigned to this now, I feel more and more depressed as the days go by.

I agree that we are heading for a fall. I just think we have to meet that fall. I think capitalism has failed and in this country at least, the postwar consensus has failed. I believe our choice is between democratic socialism and some sort of oligarchy / fascist state.
 
You're having a laugh if you think 21st century humans will look beyond next Christmas in regards to the overall picture.

It's observationally evident that the world is heading for an almighty fall of both the civilisational and habitat kind.

I'm resigned to this now, I feel more and more depressed as the days go by.

I'm very optimistic about the future. If the trends that began after the 2nd WW continue for the next 50 years then we will be a great shape going forward.
 
I'm very optimistic about the future. If the trends that began after the 2nd WW continue for the next 50 years then we will be a great shape going forward.

Those trends changed some time ago, possibly as long ago as 9/11. Nationalism is rising, authoritarian states are becoming ever more powerful and the West is more divided than it’s been in decades. Don’t really see a lot to be optimistic about. NATO is at great risk, America is thoroughly divided and the EU is about to lose one of its major members. Thoroughly fecking depressing.
 


Both sides...


As much as I detest Trump and anyone who's part of his administration, I really don't inciting harassment of them is the way to go. People will interpret this as a continuation of the "deplorables" comment which, even if somewhat correct, was idiotic.
 
Those trends changed some time ago, possibly as long ago as 9/11. Nationalism is rising, authoritarian states are becoming ever more powerful and the West is more divided than it’s been in decades. Don’t really see a lot to be optimistic about. NATO is at great risk, America is thoroughly divided and the EU is about to lose one of its major members. Thoroughly fecking depressing.

The trends that started in the mid forties are macro-historical and continue to this day, irrespective of random events that take place from time to time.

- Rules based international order
- Expanding free trade
- Establishment of rules and norms
- Dramatic decrease in political violence
- Dramatic decrease in military and civilian deaths related to war
- Dramatic decrease in global poverty
- Dramatic increase in people living in Democratic systems

The list goes on. The recent anxieties about Trump/Putin and others is in no way a long term indicator of what has been happening since the last significant historical marker (the end of WW2) and is thus not significantly predictive of the future.
 
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As much as I detest Trump and anyone who's part of his administration, I really don't inciting harassment of them is the way to go. People will interpret this as a continuation of the "deplorables" comment which, even if somewhat correct, was idiotic.

If Republicans cared about norms and responded to pressures within the system and cared about established rules and such then it would be understandable to oppose direct action. But they dont. Theyve shredded that stuff long ago work gerrymandering and obstructionism and flat out lying to the public. This is just a minor discomfort felt by the people who wake up every day and feck with the lives of ordinary people and it's actually getting through to them. This is just the beginning.
 
The trends that started in the mid forties are macro-historical and continue to this day, irrespective of random events that take place from time to time.

- Rules based international order
- Expanding free trade
- Establishment of rules and norms
- Dramatic decrease in political violence
- Dramatic decrease in military deaths
- Dramatic decrease in global poverty
- Dramatic increase in people living in Democratic systems

The list goes on. The recent anxieties about Trump/Putin and others is in no way a long term indicator of what has been happening since the last significant historical marker (the end of WW2) and is thus not significantly predictive of the future.

Who decides what significant historical markers are? Why isnt the collapse of the Soviet union one? Why isnt 9/11? Why isnt the financial meltdown in 2008?
 
Who decides what significant historical markers are? Why isnt the collapse of the Soviet union one? Why isnt 9/11? Why isnt the financial meltdown in 2008?

Fair question. My sense is because the same international rules based order that started after WW2 continues uninterrupted today. Bretton Woods, the UN, NATO, European Integration, Asian and African decolonization - the general framework of how the entire world conducts its political affairs hasn't changed irrespective of the many significant events during the intervening period. If there's a change in the global order from democracy to authoritarianism then that would be significant, but trajectory seems to be heading in the opposite direction with the fall of the Soviet empire, the gradual shift towards capital economics in China etc.
 
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The trends that started in the mid forties are macro-historical and continue to this day, irrespective of random events that take place from time to time.

- Rules based international order
- Expanding free trade
- Establishment of rules and norms
- Dramatic decrease in political violence
- Dramatic decrease in military deaths
- Dramatic decrease in global poverty
- Dramatic increase in people living in Democratic systems

The list goes on. The recent anxieties about Trump/Putin and others is in no way a long term indicator of what has been happening since the last significant historical marker (the end of WW2) and is thus not significantly predictive of the future.

From where I’m sitting the ‘rules based international order’ was been weakening since 9/11. Formerly democratic states like Turkey and Hungary have been moving away from democracy and towards authoritarianism. Former rules and norms have been weakened as the US uses drones to kill people in countries they’re not at war with (and are sometimes allied with), meanwhile China becomes aggressive in the South China Sea and Russia dominate their former client states and annex territory. Meanwhile we have a number of long running bloody wars raging, destabilizing the regional order.
 
From where I’m sitting the ‘rules based international order’ was been weakening since 9/11. Formerly democratic states like Turkey and Hungary have been moving away from democracy and towards authoritarianism. Former rules and norms have been weakened as the US uses drones to kill people in countries they’re not at war with (and are sometimes allied with), meanwhile China becomes aggressive in the South China Sea and Russia dominate their former client states and annex territory. Meanwhile we have a number of long running bloody wars raging, destabilizing the regional order.

Can't disagree with much of this. Random wars and authoritarian flare ups will continue irrespective of the global system. Long term however, the trend is very positive.
 
As much as I detest Trump and anyone who's part of his administration, I really don't inciting harassment of them is the way to go. People will interpret this as a continuation of the "deplorables" comment which, even if somewhat correct, was idiotic.
Trump does this on a nearly daily basis and we are conditioned to just dismiss it as "Trump being Trump." He's already suggested today on Twitter that something might have to happen now to Maxine Waters. How is that in any way OK? Why is it always one rule for him/the GOP and another rule for everyone else? It's especially heinous after she has already received death threats by his supporters:
Anthony Scott Lloyd, a 45-year-old man from San Pedro, California, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of threatening a U.S. official on Monday and could now face up to 10 years in prison.

Lloyd was indicted in November by a federal grand jury after making a call to Waters' office that reportedly contained numerous expletives and death threats and described her using racist epithets. At first, he pleaded not guilty to threatening Waters, though the phone message was quite explicit, according to court records cited by CBS Local: “If you continue to make threats toward the president, you’re going to wind up dead, Maxine, ’cause we’ll kill you.”
https://www.bustle.com/p/maxine-wat...e-man-behind-it-is-facing-prison-time-8811620

If you don't push back ever, this will continue and only worsen. Heaven forbid that begins with Sarah f'ing Huckabee politely being asked to leave a suburban restaurant. If you want to question anyone on civility in politics, let's start with the 43 million people who thought Trump's special brand of decorum was perfectly OK for a POTUS.
 


Not about trump but on the topic of the society we are creating


So much homelessness there, just a city for the wealthy and tourists, as a tourist its a pretty surreal moment doing the endless cycle of putting change in a meter, especially at 6am with a bag full of change and 6 homeless people coming up around and asking if i had any spare, unfortunately all the change i had, had to go in the damn meter.

Maybe San Fran looked at the Wetherspoons model and decided they want that.
 


Not about trump but on the topic of the society we are creating


You seem to feel totally detached from the society that is surrounding you. It's a little bit worrying.
 


Not about trump but on the topic of the society we are creating

Interesting. I wonder why they don't pay the service members higher wages though. If they are in an area where everyone is well off then their profits will reflect that which means they should be able to offer a pay that makes the job worth while for employees.

Don't think it has anything to do with the city being expensive to live in.
 
Interesting. I wonder why they don't pay the service members higher wages though. If they are in an area where everyone is well off then their profits will reflect that which means they should be able to offer a pay that makes the job worth while for employees.

Don't think it has anything to do with the city being expensive to live in.

I’m guessing this isn’t the top places. This will probably be the mid to low rate places who cater for people who earn just enough to get by and have a small amount of disposable income.
 
I’m guessing this isn’t the top places. This will probably be the mid to low rate places who cater for people who earn just enough to get by and have a small amount of disposable income.

reading the article it seems like a fancy place. Basically they have turned it into a fine dining cafeteria
 
Eventually it’ll be too expensive for cooks to live there. Then the people will have to cook their own food at the restaurant too.

Dish washing is also obviously going to be a must.
 
I’m guessing this isn’t the top places. This will probably be the mid to low rate places who cater for people who earn just enough to get by and have a small amount of disposable income.
actually scratch that. based on the pricing and menu it just looks like some uppity sandwhich/salad place
 
If Republicans cared about norms and responded to pressures within the system and cared about established rules and such then it would be understandable to oppose direct action. But they dont. Theyve shredded that stuff long ago work gerrymandering and obstructionism and flat out lying to the public. This is just a minor discomfort felt by the people who wake up every day and feck with the lives of ordinary people and it's actually getting through to them. This is just the beginning.

Yeah, well, they definately deserve it and Sanders could be yelled at for all eternity for all I care, but I’m not talking about the Republican establishment but rather the average American voter, and if the Dems are to beat Trump and the Republicans, I just think they need a better way than harrass the cnuts from the right, even if they have it coming.

Otherwise it’ll just end up in a screaming and name calling contest, which is where Trump excells.

Healthcare and the 2. Amendment is where I’d start.

Trump does this on a nearly daily basis and we are conditioned to just dismiss it as "Trump being Trump." He's already suggested today on Twitter that something might have to happen now to Maxine Waters. How is that in any way OK? Why is it always one rule for him/the GOP and another rule for everyone else? It's especially heinous after she has already received death threats by his supporters:

https://www.bustle.com/p/maxine-wat...e-man-behind-it-is-facing-prison-time-8811620

If you don't push back ever, this will continue and only worsen. Heaven forbid that begins with Sarah f'ing Huckabee politely being asked to leave a suburban restaurant. If you want to question anyone on civility in politics, let's start with the 43 million people who thought Trump's special brand of decorum was perfectly OK for a POTUS.

Trump and his idiotic sycophants are not, in any shape or form, OK. But Trump will remain Trump, and if the Dems want to take the fight to his homefield, then so be it. I just think it’d be better if they rose above it and showed America and the world a Democratic Party that stood together and had key isssues like healthcare for all and no guns. Or something like that.
 
Quest Means Business are doing a segment on tariffs. Trump supporting farmers in Iowa are starting to turn.
They didn't even last a month.
 
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