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Pulling out 100%. No chance he announces himself if they were gonna stay in it.
The thing is: the US pulling out doesn’t mean anything anymore at this point because everyone else has declared they will honor the agreement. If anything, it will be the first actual sign of the leadership ability the US has lost. Nobody gives a feck.
The other members who remain in the deal are insignificant in all of this since they won't be able to stop Trump from acting militarily once the Iranians resume the program. In effect the deal will be dead and we will be back to a bilateral situation.
Arghhhh!
Literally just undo each and everything done by the last administration, consequences be damned, just so we can do the same thing (but worse) and put our name on it.
I have not read up on it but can the deal even hold up if US does not honour it? Iran has already indicated they won't keep their end up if US reneges on the deal.
Hope so.
I wish
The "deal" was verifiable stop to nuclear work in exchange for reduction in sanctions. Depending on how Trump breaks the deal, this could mean the US puts fresh sanctions on Iran. I don't know for sure how effective those will be if the EU doesn't follow, but I think the way some of these sanctions work is that if any non-US business (like, say Airbus) has any dealings with the US, they are not allowed to have dealings with Iran/Iran's govt/PSUs. If that's the case US pulling out will effectively kill he deal.
The sanctions will also be the end of Rouhani's popularity since his whole agenda was negotiating Iran's way out of isolation in exchange for economic growth. If that doesn't happen, I don't think he can expect to remain, and hardline skeptics including Khamenei will be vindicated.
I doubt they will start again, they will just wait Trump our like everyone else.
I doubt they will start again, they will just wait Trump our like everyone else.
The part regarding Airbus et al would need to be specifically approved by Congress and I very much doubt they will do that. Also the reason the EU countries have declared they will follow to respect it.
The deal "failed" in the senate in 2015, with all GOP except Rand Paul and also about 5 Democrats including now-leader Chuck Schumer voting against. The only reason the deal stands is because that vote was a veto, and needed 60 or 68 to pass.
http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/sep/11/congress-votes-deal
That was a rather different vote mate.
More comedy
If it was for Trump, he wouldn't give a feck about Iran. It's Israel that is pushing for it.
These fecking cnut are the laziest SOBs on the planet. They can't do anything right and take everyone for fools. Can we shoot them into the sun soon, please? Elon?
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His random capitalisations are bugging me.
There's a difference between being tough on terror and being an outright sadistic looney
Iran announcement due at 7pm BST then? Any chance the deal won't scrapped?
As long as any agreement/document with the signature 'Obama' on it....
Doubt it. It was a major campaign promise of his and so far he's done his best to fulfill those. Think we're gonna be seeing a clean break with the deal and a major push for regime change (probably short of an actual military intervention) in Iran over the next twelve months. Expect to hear a lot about the MEK in that time.
What would be the ramifications? All talk?
If Iran has kept their word and the U.S just tears it up anyway I hope other countries think twice before lapping it up with America
Unlikely. The most optimistic view is that Trump could announce he wants to completely renegotiate the deal and will give a deadline before withdrawing the US from the deal.
That's the best case scenario, but its looking increasingly likely he'll announce the withdrawal.
I've no idea how thats going to happen.
Cheers. Here's hoping its something along those lines.
That would be where the MEK comes in:
M.E.K.: The Group John Bolton Wants to Rule Iran
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/world/middleeast/john-bolton-regime-change-iran.html
Worth noting that MEK activists were heavily involved in distributing footage of the major anti-regime protests in Iran a few months back.
You're going to have another Syria though.
The dynamics would be very different but yeah, it’d be extremely messy if it got anywhere. I don’t think supporting the MEK has much if any chance of success though, or even making much of an impact at all, they’re despised in Iran.
This fool should the be boycotted left right and center in the international community if he utters "regime change".
Yeah this really again underlines how child like the man's thinking is. You could argue he does what he says (read: shouts) he is going to do, but the fact he seems to have absolute disregard for alternatives continues to be a very infantile and dangerous way to go about world politics. Especially because it seems very clear that many decisions play directly into Israel, China and Russia's hands. The whole notion that Trump embodies the i dont care what others think and do what is best for America is therefore incredibly flawed.
I just hope his presidency doesn't start another war, especially not with Iran. Yes they're not great, but they are hardly the biggest problem in the US/Europe. Ironically we seem to be allied with the worst offenders (Saudi, Russia)
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