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Shows how easy it is to fall for fake news. Given it is a government contract run by the military I can see cost over runs, design changes, delays etc running the cost to $3billion or more.

There's a lot of it going on really, seen a lot of trash on twitter and Facebook. These things circulate quickly, im not sure whether its amusing or a sad reflection that those decrying the fake stories of the right and those taken in by them are equally being taken in by fake stories in the opposite direction.
 
Trump still has to do two things to win me over and none of them have to do with race.

He has to figure out a way to avoid conflicts of interest by either liquidating his assets, putting them into a blind trust, or completely estranging himself and his relatives from any perception that his Presidency is being leveraged to advance his business interests. He also has to put in place a staff that will have a hawkish view towards Russian aggression. Putting Romney or Petraeus as SecState would definitely do that.

He seems to prefer a war with China. It will be tremendous folks! :D
 
And amply involved, I have been. Those experiences only underscore the futility of arguing with people who say that doing and saying racist things, doesn't make one a racist.

Amply involved apparently means not wanting to debate something when confronted with an opposing view. Interesting.
 
Not saying racist things, having the balls to say what's on your mind. Most people, including society's left leaning social justice crusaders, say things in public then say things in private. There's an innate respect extended to people who generally say whatever the feck the way irrespective of who they are talking to and without fear of retribution.

I understand breaking the political discourse and not sounding rehearsed or fake.

That doesn't mean that you support someone who says racist things & has done racist things in the past, just because they're different. And grouping anyone who doesn't like this a "social justice crusader" or whatever other liberal insult.

Like I said before, the two are mutually exclusive.

If the things you have on your mind are racist and you have the balls to say them, that doesn't make you respectable, it makes you racist. It's that simple.
 
There's a lot of it going on really, seen a lot of trash on twitter and Facebook. These things circulate quickly, im not sure whether its amusing or a sad reflection that those decrying the fake stories of the right and those taken in by them are equally being taken in by fake stories in the opposite direction.

Tbf it's not fake news, but a misunderstanding of how the contract works. The articles themselves are correct.
 
I understand breaking the political discourse and not sounding rehearsed or fake.

That doesn't mean that you support someone who says racist things & has done racist things in the past, just because they're different. And grouping anyone who doesn't like this a "social justice crusader" or whatever other liberal insult.

Like I said before, the two are mutually exclusive.

If the things you have on your mind are racist and you have the balls to say them, that doesn't make you respectable, it makes you racist. It's that simple.

Clearly the public didn't think so as they voted him into office - not for his bombastic polemics, but because he convinced them he would brings jobs back to the U.S.
 
Not saying racist things, having the balls to say what's on your mind. Most people, including society's left leaning social justice crusaders, say things in public then say things in private. There's an innate respect extended to people who generally say whatever the feck the way irrespective of who they are talking to and without fear of retribution.
Did some Californian version of me steal your paper this morning? You seem obsessed.
 
Amply involved apparently means not wanting to debate something when confronted with an opposing view. Interesting.

If you read the last few pages, you'll see I've dedicated copious time to this topic. The fact that you are rehashing issues I've already covered, and descending into something representing illogical lunacy, isn't sufficient motivation for me to follow you down the rabbit hole.
 
Clearly the public didn't think so as they voted him into office - not for his bombastic polemics, but because he convinced them he would brings jobs back to the U.S.

The public also thought that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring in a pizza parlour in Washington DC - that doesn't really say much.

Plus some of his supporters actively want him to build a wall, ban muslims, deport immigrants etc. To suggest that "the public" as a whole only voted for him because they thought he would bring back jobs to the US is wholly inaccurate.
 
The public also thought that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring in a pizza parlour in Washington DC - that doesn't really say much.

Plus some of his supporters actively want him to build a wall, ban muslims, deport immigrants etc. To suggest that "the public" as a whole only voted for him because they thought he would bring back jobs to the US is wholly inaccurate.

Only a few alt-right loons and the easily led.
 
Tbf it's not fake news, but a misunderstanding of how the contract works. The articles themselves are correct.

It might as well be fake news when it forms a narrative on twitter. The idea that he was manipulating the stock market on purpose with his comments also seems to be doing the rounds which is ridiculous. All the rush to make a storm over everything just dilutes the focus on genuine issues and its only fun in the same way those on the right prob thought it was fun to circulate trash.

There's a very big gap in stupidity but the parallel is there nonetheless.
 
The public also thought that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring in a pizza parlour in Washington DC - that doesn't really say much.

Plus some of his supporters actively want him to build a wall, ban muslims, deport immigrants etc. To suggest that "the public" as a whole only voted for him because they thought he would bring back jobs to the US is wholly inaccurate.

It did?
 
I think that this is how people from that generation talked in general back in the day. He's a 70 year old guy who knows nothing about political correctness and touchy feely millenial discourse. I remember back in the 80s when Jesse Jackson referred to New York as "Hymietown", referring to Jews and the Jewish influence in NY. I don't think anyone thought Jackson was an anti-semite, he was just using polemics for effect. This is how I look at Trump's language. He has created a campaign character that he knows his crowds lap up and is doing his best to stay in character.

Don´t know how old you are, or how well you remember, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of that situation. In fact, everybody thought he, and most of the African American left, including the Black muslim movement, came off as very anti semitic, at the time. Look at many African American intellectuals of the 60s, 70s and 80s, many were in fact very anti semitic, and Jackson comes directly from this tradition. This also stems massively from the perception of "jewish" landlords and the traditional American housing discrimination against African Americans.

I have no idea where you get the idea that no one thought he was anti semitic. Completely wrong.
 
Don´t know how old you are, or how well you remember, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of that situation. In fact, everybody thought he, and most of the African American left, including the Black muslim movement, came off as very anti semitic, at the time. Look at many African American intellectuals of the 60s, 70s and 80s, many were in fact very anti semitic, and Jackson comes directly from this tradition. This also stems massively from the perception of "jewish" landlords and the traditional American housing discrimination against African Americans.

I have no idea where you get the idea that no one thought he was anti semitic. Completely wrong.

As in, he continued to have a successful career as a left wing politician and social activist without having his entire career smeared as an anti-semite.
 
Only a few alt-right loons and the easily led.

That's a simplistic view of things, you're always going to find a select few people who have extreme views on both sides of the spectrum.

But those who voted for him still did so while remaining silent on the issues such as race & misogyny, and will continue to remain silent, which is still alarming. But as long as they say they aren't racist, I guess that makes it okay.
 
That's a simplistic view of things, you're always going to find a select few people who have extreme views on both sides of the spectrum.

But those who voted for him still did so while remaining silent on the issues such as race & misogyny, and will continue to remain silent, which is still alarming. But as long as they say they aren't racist, I guess that makes it okay.

What is he supposed to say about race and misogyny ? As mentioned earlier, it was blacks, hispanics, and white women who turned out in higher numbers to vote for Trump than previously expected, which ostensibly made him President. These groups have already accepted him in greater numbers than most of the polls previously suggested they would.
 
So it is either brilliant in that it is brining the human race down or Skynet is stupid and both it and the human race is doomed.

Invented by man, became sentient, and is now bringing down Western civilization through a carefully orchestrated attack of misinformation and @realdonaldtrump tweets.
 
As in, he continued to have a successful career as a left wing politician and social activist without having his entire career smeared as an anti-semite.

He never really had a "career"in politics to speak off and his antisemitism has been overshadowed by all the other things he's done, including accepting bribes to start or end his campaigns.
 
What is he supposed to say about race and misogyny ? As mentioned earlier, it was blacks, hispanics, and white women who turned out in higher numbers to vote for Trump than previously expected, which ostensibly made him President. These groups have already accepted him in greater numbers than most of the polls previously suggested they would.

Let's be clear here, minorities were already voting in record numbers against Romney in 2012, and Trump's "success" among black voters was to score less than 10%. Hispanic voters went against him in record numbers, just not by the amount people thought they might. White women trended strongly towards Clinton as men moved strongly towards Trump, leaving a huge gender gap. He beat his breathtakingly low expectations, but he still performed extremely poorly. This is not evidence that bigotry wasn't a motivating factor behind significant amounts of his vote, given large parts of his campaign actively inflamed such sentiment.
 
He never really had a "career"in politics to speak off and his antisemitism has been overshadowed by all the other things he's done, including accepting bribes to start or end his campaigns.

Well he ran for President twice and is more or less a lifelong political activist. As for Bribes and his personal affairs, that's all on him.
 
What is he supposed to say about race and misogyny ? As mentioned earlier, it was blacks, hispanics, and white women who turned out in higher numbers to vote for Trump than previously expected, which ostensibly made him President. These groups have already accepted him in greater numbers than most of the polls previously suggested they would.

Blacks voted for Clinton overwhelmingly, over 80 point margin, how does this mean that they've accepted him?
Hispanics as a "race" isn't as simple, and more hispanics identify with whiteness than Latin identity overwhelmingly, so that's no surprise.
And white women again isn't much of a margin, he got something like 53% of the white woman vote? Not really ground breaking numbers.

Just because the previously expected numbers were woefully low, doesn't mean a higher than expected number is a good thing, it's still woefully low and not indicative of any acceptance.
 
Blacks voted for Clinton overwhelmingly, over 80 point margin, how does this mean that they've accepted him?
Hispanics as a "race" isn't as simple, and more hispanics identify with whiteness than Latina overwhelmingly so that's no surprise.
And white women again isn't much of a margin, he got something like 53% of the white woman vote? Not really ground breaking numbers.

Just because the previously expected numbers were woefully low, doesn't mean a higher than expected number is a good thing, it's still woefully low and not indicative of any acceptance.

He was polling as low as in the single digits with blacks, so for him to get to 20% is quite an accomplishment given the stranglehold Democrats have on the black vote.

He wasn't supposed to do particularly well among Hispanics either after the rapist, build a wall, mass deportation, and Judge Curiel narratives, and yet he would up doing comparatively quite well.
 
Indeed. People were also more racist back then than they are today.
:lol: Exactly.

The only ugly difference being that Trump doesn't give a feck and continues to do as he pleases, while others sheepishly pretend to have assimilated for fear of losing their social status. There's something seductively raw and enticing about a politician in a Democratic system who says whatever he wants without any fear of retribution.
I don't see anything seductive and enticing about someone being openly racist, sexist, a lie a minute and all round prick. But I suppose to reach their own.

It's amusing how "not giving a feck" is seen as a good quality as opposed to the actual content of your discourse/actions.

"You might be an asshole/racist/assaulter of women but you say things out loud and hence I like you".
 
:lol: Exactly.


I don't see anything seductive and enticing about someone being openly racist, sexist, a lie a minute and all round prick. But I suppise to reach their own.

It's amusing how "not giving a feck" is seen as a good quality as opposed to the content of your discourse/actions.

"You might be an asshole/racist/assaulter of women but you say things out loud and hence I like you".

Are you an American ?
 
He was polling as low as in the single digits with blacks, so for him to get to 20% is quite an accomplishment given the stranglehold Democrats have on the black vote.

He wasn't supposed to do particularly well among Hispanics either after the rapist, build a wall, mass deportation, and Judge Curiel narratives, and yet he would up doing comparatively quite well.
He didn't get 20%, he got 8%. The margin was 80 points (Clinton got 88%).
 
What is he supposed to say about race and misogyny ? As mentioned earlier, it was blacks, hispanics, and white women who turned out in higher numbers to vote for Trump than previously expected, which ostensibly made him President. These groups have already accepted him in greater numbers than most of the polls previously suggested they would.

She won all of those demographics by very large margins. The widest gender gap in electoral history. Blacks she won by 88 to 8. Only bettered by the first black president. She won the college educated demographic by 9%, the biggest split in college vs non college voting trends ever.

Where did Trump pick up his big wins? White male voters in record numbers and non college educated white voters of both gender.

Her winning blacks by 80 points instead of 85 isn't the driving factor in this electoral outcome. It is his strong appeal to working class white Americans, and white men.
 
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