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Red Dreams said:
I'm puzzled by this recount fervour.
Its not going to change anything.
Trump will still be the President Elect.
And Hillary would have completely wiped out her Concession speech that was a start to reuniting the country.
The latest is that Hillary conceded after Obama called her to concede. :eek:

Would much rather all the money they have collected be given to some charity that helps needy children.
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We're dealing with Jill Stein here. She will do whatever it takes to stay in the news.
 
Red Dreams said:
I'm puzzled by this recount fervour.
Its not going to change anything.
Trump will still be the President Elect.
And Hillary would have completely wiped out her Concession speech that was a start to reuniting the country.
The latest is that Hillary conceded after Obama called her to concede. :eek:

Would much rather all the money they have collected be given to some charity that helps needy children.
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It's obviously very unlikely that the recount could have any actual effect on the results.

However, if they were able to prove that hacking had taken place and Trump was being assisted by illegals means that would surely be worth investigating further?
 
Pexbo said:
It's obviously very unlikely that the recount could have any actual effect on the results.

However, if they were able to prove that hacking had taken place and Trump was being assisted by illegals means that would surely be worth investigating further?
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There is that. Even if they can't tie it to Trump, if there was some hacking or other illegalities going on, proving them now helps future elections.
 
JustAFan said:
There is that. Even if they can't tie it to Trump, if there was some hacking or other illegalities going on, proving them now helps future elections.
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To be fair, it's atrocious that there is no Q&A or independent audit of election results in a random sample of polling districts.
 
Red Dreams said:
I'm puzzled by this recount fervour.
Its not going to change anything.
Trump will still be the President Elect.
And Hillary would have completely wiped out her Concession speech that was a start to reuniting the country.
The latest is that Hillary conceded after Obama called her to concede. :eek:

Would much rather all the money they have collected be given to some charity that helps needy children.
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I agree fully, it is a complete waste of time and will only sharpen the divide in the country. There is no chance what so ever that any of the margins in the three states will be turned over. Recounts will change the vote tally slightly but not in the thousands that are needed to change the result. None of the people asking for the recount have any evidence of any wrong doings, they were so convinced that Clinton would win that when she didn't, their only explanation is Trump somehow cheated.
 
Canuckred64 said:
I agree fully, it is a complete waste of time and will only sharpen the divide in the country. There is no chance what so ever that any of the margins in the three states will be turned over. Recounts will change the vote tally slightly but not in the thousands that are needed to change the result. None of the people asking for the recount have any evidence of any wrong doings, they were so convinced that Clinton would win that when she didn't, their only explanation is Trump somehow cheated.
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It's Jill Stein doing it, someone that spent more of her campaign attacking Clinton than trump.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It was not on Trump cheating, but on alleged Russian hacking. And the fact that those were traditionally democrat states that Trump won by slim margins.

That concession speech reunite noone. Haters still hate.
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Should have added or somebody cheated for him.

States do flip,Clinton was just a terrible candidate.
 
Ubik said:
It's Jill Stein doing it, someone that spent more of her campaign attacking Clinton than trump.
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The computer scientists, who have been looking at the stats and we're the ones to get this started contacted the Clinton camp first with their suspections. I suspect it is disgrunted Clinton supporters who are behind the recount. Jill Stein just filed the papers.


Plus I imagine most of the people donating the money voted for Clinton.
 
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Not really paid any attention to this. But if a recount (hypothetical) lands Hillary the victory then anyone thinks that the Trump supporters will take it in the spirit of democracy? Tough times either way i guess.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
In a normal election, I'd rule it out. Not in this case. I really think there was active meddling by hackers against Clinton. Not sure if there was actual rigging though.
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I am sure there was active meddling in campaign against both Clinton and Trump, but I don't think the voting machines were hacked though.
 
Witchking said:
Not really paid any attention to this. But if a recount (hypothetical) lands Hillary the victory then anyone thinks that the Trump supporters will take it in the spirit of democracy? Tough times either way i guess.
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It was rigged, it wasn't rigged, it was rigged. The last thing I want is for them to be energized in the midterms, Dems need to crush that one to save important shit like Medicare and women's reproductive rights.
 
GiddyUp said:
I would watch that. There would probably be a lot of massaging with essential oils.
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There'd be a lot of build-up and hype, but she'd ultimately come in a disappointing position.
 
Canuckred64 said:
....will only sharpen the divide in the country...
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How so? Sounds like hyperbole...

I just think we should let them crack on, don't really get the fuss. Most think it won't make a difference, and in that event it will be news for less than a week and then we'll be onto the next thing. If it does unearth something then isn't that worthwhile? And in that event it will be news for less than a week and then we'll be onto the next thing... Etc etc...

Red Dreams said:
Would much rather all the money they have collected be given to some charity that helps needy children.
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This I can get behind.
 
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Against Trump? Where did you hear about that?
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There were a number of attempts to meddle with Trump's campaign. Somehow the New York Times got some of his tax records, there have also been reports that some of the protests and violence at the Trump rallies was paid for and organized by Democratic operatives contacted to the Clinton campaign. Clinton getting some of the debate questions before the debates etc.
 
Canuckred64 said:
There were a number of attempts to meddle with Trump's campaign. Somehow the New York Times got some of his tax records, there have also been reports that some of the protests and violence at the Trump rallies was paid for and organized by Democratic operatives contacted to the Clinton campaign. Clinton getting some of the debate questions before the debates etc.
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A completely insane conspiracy theory.
 
I don't know how a recount can reveal Russian interfearence in our election.
I think it should be investigated as there was so much talk of it.
But what is just as important is if the emails were not manufactured is all the undemocratic practices within the DNC.
 
This fecking retard Trump is using conspiracy sites to fuel his rage to millions whether he believes it or not. Hacksites like Drudge and Infowars are creeping into the mainstream which doesn't bode well for media, journalism, and reality.
 
afrocentricity said:
How so? Sounds like hyperbole...

I just think we should let them crack on, don't really get the fuss. Most think it won't make a difference, and in that event it will be news for less than a week and then we'll be onto the next thing. If it does unearth something then isn't that worthwhile? And in that event it will be news for less than a week and then we'll be onto the next thing... Etc etc...

This I can get behind.
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I think the recount will make things worse and make it harder to unite the country. Trump supporters see it as sour grapes and Trump is passed off. He was sounding conciliatory the first couple of weeks, had spoken to Obama a number of times, was softing his position on a number of issues. The guy is so thin skinned that he could easily go back and try to keep his campaign promises.

The hard core anti Trump protesters are not going to accept Trump as president no mater what. When the recounts reconfirm that Trump has won, they will be just more bitter, and claim that he has gotten away with fraud. To heal the divide the thing to do was accept the results and get on with things, just like Nixon did when Kennedy stole the 1960 election.
 
Grinner said:
Well there is a biological argument that choosing younger girls for mates makes sense for successful species propagation. Society has just decided that it's not acceptable. that same society chooses to sexualise young girls though so feck knows what's right. You can lust after a 15 year-old but not act on that lust, I suppose.

That Charlotte Church thing springs to mind.
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If you go back just 1000 to 2000 years (an incredibly small amount of time in the scheme of things), human society had no problems at all with 20-30 year old men marrying and reproducing with 14-17 year old girls. Look at the Romans, for example.
 
Carolina Red said:
If you go back just 1000 to 2000 years (an incredibly small amount of time in the scheme of things), human society had no problems at all with 20-30 year old men marrying and reproducing with 14-17 year old girls. Look at the Romans, for example.
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The Romans shagged anything that moved, to be fair.
 
Grinner said:
The Romans shagged anything that moved, to be fair.
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:drool: Fair point

I do think it is interesting though that we in such a short amount of time have gone from "its okay to marry and reproduce with a girl that age" to "you go to prison fe that" and I think that could be the reason for the mixed signals that you're talking about.
 
Carolina Red said:
:drool: Fair point

I do think it is interesting though that we in such a short amount of time have gone from "its okay to marry and reproduce with a girl that age" to "you go to prison fe that" and I think that could be the reason for the mixed signals that you're talking about.
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It wasn't long ago that Jerry Lee Lewis went to England with his 13 year-old wife (who was also his 1st cousin). Killer was surprised that the British were shocked by this as it was considered acceptable in the deep south.
 
Carolina Red said:
If you go back just 1000 to 2000 years (an incredibly small amount of time in the scheme of things), human society had no problems at all with 20-30 year old men marrying and reproducing with 14-17 year old girls. Look at the Romans, for example.
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Contemporary Romans like Polanski also approve this message.
 
Grinner said:
It wasn't long ago that Jerry Lee Lewis went to England with his 13 year-old wife (who was also his 1st cousin). Killer was surprised that the British were shocked by this as it was considered acceptable in the deep south.
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The Ferriday wild man was easily surpassed by Gary Grinner.
 
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