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:lol: Americans moaning about immigration always makes me chuckle.
 
My country's election was hacked and our president is cooperating with the leader of the country who did it. That's what I am implying. I'm not interested in the "whataboutisms".

If political leaders didn't cooperate with countries that are currently spying into and hacking critical elements their country's infrastructure then the world would be a very lonely place. Trump's doing the right thing by working alongside one of the other global powers in cyberwarfare to establish a set of binding international rules on the subject. It's the kind of thing that happened nearly half a century ago to make the world a better, safer place. Before America decided to pull out to further their own interests, of course.
 
:lol: Americans moaning about immigration always makes me chuckle.

I have been unfriended by a few people recently for posting this in response to their anti "illegal" migration rants.

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They are actually talking about refugees who are perfectly legal but who we ship off (illegally/ironically) to third world internment camps.
 
I have been unfriended by a few people recently for posting this in response to their anti "illegal" migration rants.

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They are actually talking about refugees who are perfectly legal but who we ship off (illegally/ironically) to third world internment camps.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
 
If political leaders didn't cooperate with countries that are currently spying into and hacking critical elements their country's infrastructure then the world would be a very lonely place. Trump's doing the right thing by working alongside one of the other global powers in cyberwarfare to establish a set of binding international rules on the subject. It's the kind of thing that happened nearly half a century ago to make the world a better, safer place. Before America decided to pull out to further their own interests, of course.
Yep, not convinced.

This would be more like if Khrushchev denied trying to put missiles in Cuba, got away with it, and then Kennedy asked him to help set up our missile defense system.
 
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I was not promoting Ivanka. I was indicting the Democratic Party.
It will begin to represent the real needs of its voters once it actually works to address Health Care, Jobs with a living wage, education and dignified retirement.
Instead of giving lip service.

But there may be a glimmer of hope. Some Democratic senators are talking of single payer. ..and not just Sanders and Warren.
 
If political leaders didn't cooperate with countries that are currently spying into and hacking critical elements their country's infrastructure then the world would be a very lonely place. Trump's doing the right thing by working alongside one of the other global powers in cyberwarfare to establish a set of binding international rules on the subject. It's the kind of thing that happened nearly half a century ago to make the world a better, safer place. Before America decided to pull out to further their own interests, of course.

The idea of US agreeing to work with Russia on cyber security is frankly laughable and its why so many people are shocked by this idea.

Its such a bad idea, especially when you consider the fact they'll be at it again in next years midterms and in 2020.
 
Trump Jr posting on twitter but not saying anything on yesterdays story.

Highly unusual behaviour from him when you consider that he's a loudmouth. Maybe his lawyers told him to not say anything :)
 
For Natives, absolutely.

Just shows the hypocrisy of the far right in their fear of immigration considering the culture they're wanting to protect immigrated here
It's more the lessons of history, if Europeans came to the new world and decimated the local population and enforced a new social order then it could easily be done by another people to white Americans.
 
A key question is whether Trump JR reported this to the authorities at the time.

If a Russian is telling you they have damaging information on an opposition candidate during an election cycle, then you would report it to the FBI or relevant authorities.
 
Trump:
I've got a terrific plan, believe me. I call it Trump University.

Hillary:
Education should be the great door opener, and yet we know it often doesn’t turn out that way. I think every child in this country deserves a good teacher in a good school, regardless of the ZIP code you live in.

Hillary, March 10, 2016


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Strong public education is the key to preparing our children for the future.

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Education should be the great door opener, and yet we know it often doesn’t turn out that way. I think every child in this country deserves a good teacher in a good school, regardless of the ZIP code you live in.

Hillary, March 10, 2016
Hillary Clinton believes that every child, no matter his or her background, should be guaranteed a high-quality education. That’s why she has been working to improve and support our public schools for decades, but our work isn’t done. Hillary will ensure that every child can fulfill his or her God-given potential.

As president, Hillary will:
  • Launch a national campaign to modernize and elevate the profession of teaching. America is asking more of our educators than ever before. They are preparing our kids for a competitive economy, staying on top of new pedagogies, and filling gaps that we as a country have neglected—like giving low-income kids, English-language learners, and kids with disabilities the support they need to thrive. We ask so much of our educators, but we aren’t setting them up for success. That’s why Hillary will launch a national campaign to elevate and modernize the teaching profession, by preparing, supporting, and paying every child’s teacher as if the future of our country is in their hands—because it is.
  • Provide every student in America an opportunity to learn computer science. There are more than half a million open jobs that require computing skills—across the country and in every major industry. But the majority of schools in the United States don’t offer computer science. Hillary will provide states and school districts funding to help scale computer science instruction and lesson programs that improve student achievement or increase college enrollment and completion in CS Ed fields.
  • Rebuild America’s schools. In cities and rural communities across America, there are public schools that are falling apart—schools where students are learning in classrooms with rodents and mold. That’s unacceptable, and it has to change. That’s why Hillary will build on the highly successful Build America Bonds program to provide cities and towns the capital they need to rebuild their schools. These “Modernize Every School Bonds” will double the Build America Bonds subsidy for efforts to fix and modernize America’s classrooms—from increasing energy efficiency and tackling asbestos to upgrading science labs and high-speed broadband.
  • Dismantle the school-to-prison pipeline. Schools should be safe places for students to learn and grow. But in too many communities, student discipline is overly harsh—and these harsh measures disproportionately affect African American students and those with the greatest economic, social, and academic needs. Hillary will work to dismantle the school-to-prison pipeline by providing $2 billion in support to schools to reform overly punitive disciplinary policies, calling on states to reform school disturbance laws, and encouraging states to use federal education funding to implement social and emotional support interventions.
Hillary has been working to improve and support our public schools for decades:
  • As a young law student working for Marian Wright Edelman, Hillary went undercover to investigate “segregation academies” in Alabama.
  • As first lady of Arkansas, she chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Commission, fighting to raise academic standards, increase teacher salaries, and reduce class sizes.
  • As first lady of the United States, she chaired the first-ever convening on Hispanic children and youth, which focused on improving access to educational opportunities.
  • As a U.S. senator, she served on the Senate Health, Education and Labor Committee, as a key member shaping the No Child Left Behind Act, with the hope that it would bring needed resources and real accountability to improve educational opportunities for our most disadvantaged students.
Let’s … make debt-free college available to everyone. ... And let’s liberate the millions of Americans who already have student debt.

Hillary, June 22, 2016

Hillary has a comprehensive plan to put higher education within reach for all Americans, and take on the crisis of student debt.

Related:
How will Hillary Clinton's college plan help you?

Here’s what every student and family should expect under Hillary’s plan:
Costs won’t be a barrier

  • Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. By 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities. And from the beginning, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university without paying tuition.
  • All community colleges will offer free tuition.
  • Everyone will do their part. States will have to step up and invest in higher education, and colleges and universities will be held accountable for the success of their students and for controlling tuition costs.
  • A $25 billion fund will support historically black colleges and universities, Hispanic-serving institutions, and other minority-serving institutions in building new ladders of opportunity for students. Read Hillary’s agenda to support HBCUs and minority-focused institutions here.
  • The one-quarter of all college students who are also parents will get the support they need and the resources they deserve. Read more about Hillary’s plan to support student parents here.
Read the fact sheet

Debt won’t hold you back

  • Borrowers will be able to refinance loans at current rates, providing debt relief to an estimated 25 million people. They’ll never have to pay back more than 10 percent of their income, and all remaining college debt will be forgiven after 20 years.
  • Delinquent borrowers and those in default will get help to protect their credit and get back on their feet.
  • To reduce the burden for future borrowers, Hillary will significantly cut interest rates so the government never profits from college student loans.
  • Hillary’s plan will crack down on predatory schools, lenders, and bill collectors.
  • A new payroll deduction portal for employers and employees will simplify the repayment process—and Hillary will explore more options to encourage employers to help pay down student debt.
  • Aspiring entrepreneurs will be able to defer their loans with no payments or interest for up to three years. Social entrepreneurs and those starting new enterprises in distressed communities will be eligible for up to $17,500 in loan forgiveness.
  • Hillary will take immediate executive action to offer a three-month moratorium on student loan payments to all federal loan borrowers. That will give every borrower a chance to consolidate their loans, sign up for income-based repayment plans, and take advantage of opportunities to reduce their monthly interest payments and fees.
Read the fact sheet

Fully paid for: This plan will be fully paid for by limiting certain tax expenditures for high-income taxpayers.

Voters will not read that amount of information. It's horrifying but true.

Trump had buzzwords, lies and bulletpoints. That's where you fight your battles. You can't win an intellectual debate with an idiot by quoting philosophy or literature.

Play the opponent. Not the issues. That's American politics.
 
Voters will not read that amount of information. It's horrifying but true.

Trump had buzzwords, lies and bulletpoints. That's where you fight your battles. You can't win an intellectual debate with an idiot by quoting philosophy or literature.

Play the opponent. Not the issues. That's American politics.

That's politics everywhere.
 
That's politics everywhere.

It is. But Trump is a cartoon. Never before has anyone that ridiculous got themselves in a 50/50 race.

The Dems fought the wrong fight for all of the reasons that we know.

Gregster made a point that Hillary had a policy. It didn't matter. It wasn't a policy driven election. It was two detestable people running against each other.

Hillary is a nasty piece of work. She couldn't bring herself to have a bar fight with a buffoon?
 
The idea of US agreeing to work with Russia on cyber security is frankly laughable and its why so many people are shocked by this idea.

Its such a bad idea, especially when you consider the fact they'll be at it again in next years midterms and in 2020.

Do you think the American's aren't at it?
 
It is. But Trump is a cartoon. Never before has anyone that ridiculous got themselves in a 50/50 race.

The Dems fought the wrong fight for all of the reasons that we know.

Gregster made a point that Hillary had a policy. It didn't matter. It wasn't a policy driven election. It was two detestable people running against each other.

Hillary is a nasty piece of work. She couldn't bring herself to have a bar fight with a buffoon?

Republicans voted en masse for a candidate they didn't like, who is not evangelical, who didn't support extreme free market ideas. They saw a guy who can stop immigration, enact laws that would enable Christian values and make it easy for big money donors/religious institutions to influence elections. Not everybody who voted for Trump is a pissed off American who doesn't have a job. One party voted for pragmatically, while Eboues insisted that their votes had to be won by the Democractic party.
 
One party voted for pragmatically, while Eboues insisted that their votes had to be won by the Democractic party.

That's one way of framing it. Another is that one party offered simple ideas and talked directly to the people while the other insisted that their voters read two hundred page books and relate to them via Lena Dunham and Jay Z.
 
That's one way of framing it. Another is that one party offered simple ideas and talked directly to the people while the other insisted that their voters read two hundred page books and relate to them via Lena Dunham and Jay Z.

You make it sound like the Hillary Clinton campaign was all about celebrities. Yesterday you whinged about absence of policy but making it about trump, now you are saying policies are too complex to understand. You see what you want to see.
 
thats not what i said, quit reaching

Perhaps my initial question wasn't clear. I was asking if you thought Democrats should do a Trump if such was the surest way of attaining victory. Your response to this seemed to be yes, since they already do it.
 
You make it sound like the Hillary Clinton campaign was all about celebrities. Yesterday you whinged about absence of policy but making it about trump, now you are saying policies are too complex to understand. You see what you want to see.


Not quite. She offered no meaningful policy to the people who were part of the Obama coalition in Rust Belt states and who abandoned her. Pointing to lengthy paragraphs on a website isn't actually offering anything to those voters, because those voters are never going to see it. Who is going to get anything out of a two hundred page book? Vox.com and people who care about CBO scores. Not the people who she failed to convince to vote for her.
 
Perhaps my initial question wasn't clear. I was asking if you thought Democrats should do a Trump if such was the surest way of attaining victory. Your response to this seemed to be yes, since they already do it.

I don't think they should elect a dangerous demagogue. I do think they should focus more on populism and less on wall street.
 
NYT: Trump son met with Russian lawyer after being promised info on Clinton
 
Republicans voted en masse for a candidate they didn't like, who is not evangelical, who didn't support extreme free market ideas. They saw a guy who can stop immigration, enact laws that would enable Christian values and make it easy for big money donors/religious institutions to influence elections. Not everybody who voted for Trump is a pissed off American who doesn't have a job. One party voted for pragmatically, while Eboues insisted that their votes had to be won by the Democractic party.

I feel you're agreeing with me rather than suggesting some nuance or variance in what I'm saying.

America got the president they deserved with respect to how little the average voter is engaged in actually educating themselves on policy.
 
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