The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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ManUtd1999 said:
Katy Tur: Michael Cohen is lawyering up.
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Ramshock said:
Ffs even he isn't that stupid. That's tantamount to admitting he is guilty surely.
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I'm sure he wants to but is being held back. This would be the final step in the contagion of his demise as the Congress would just reactivate the independent council statute.
 
Neutral said:
I'm guessing this is what Trump possibly wants.
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Rosenstein had a fairly stellar reputation prior to selling his credibility off with the Comey 'memo.' He could really redeem himself by touching off Trump into creating the President's own demise.
 
fishfingers15 said:
If he does fire Rosenstein (And appoint another Deputy AG) who in turn fires Mueller, he can be impeached. Isn't that the very thing Nixon did?
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Yes but here's the difference. Back then the Republicans in Congress went to the White House to ask for Nixon's resignation simply because they told him he no longer had their support. This bunch of Republicans in Congress won't do that.
 
Sky1981 said:
Stop laughing at him guys, one day he might wokeup and says feck this shit, while pressing that red button
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I don't believe for a second anything would happen if he pressed the button. He'd probably end up forcibly removed from office by someone under some "madness" clause that certainly exists.

That said, I agree it's a serious mater, but he's still funny. It's a bittersweet laughter for most, I think.
 
So he makes a big deal about the Cuba thing and it'll grab headlines...but, he only made cosmetic changes - while leaving almost everything else in tact - and even the changes are things that the Cuban military/regime has already been working to get around.

Hey...but it'll keep the old timers in Miami happy, and those votes matter I suppose.
 
Arruda said:
I don't believe for a second anything would happen if he pressed the button. He'd probably end up forcibly removed from office by someone under some "madness" clause that certainly exists.

That said, I agree it's a serious mater, but he's still funny. It's a bittersweet laughter for most, I think.
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It's called the 25th amendment.
 
Arruda said:
I don't believe for a second anything would happen if he pressed the button. He'd probably end up forcibly removed from office by someone under some "madness" clause that certainly exists.

That said, I agree it's a serious mater, but he's still funny. It's a bittersweet laughter for most, I think.
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Rado_N said:
It's called the 25th amendment.
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Takes minutes to launch nukes, takes months to remove a president.
 
Silva said:
He still has the right to challenge that, and then Congress has to decide one way or the other, which takes months.
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On what basis?

My understanding of Section 4 is that once the VPOTUS informs the Speaker and the Senate Pro Tem of the majority decision of the cabinet that the VPOTUS immediately assumes the position of POTUS?

@Carolina Red can you shed any light on this?
 
Silva said:
He still has the right to challenge that, and then Congress has to decide one way or the other, which takes months.
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If a president, with questionable mental stability, were attempting to at random launch a nuclear weapon, without any consultation with the Pentagon, then no. It would not take months.

Also, it doesn't have to require Congress. The cabinet is sufficient.

Amendment 25, Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office
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Looks like you were right, the VP immediately assumes power, but the process still takes longer than the few minutes it takes to nuke a motherfecker
 
Silva said:
Even Trump isn't going to actually nuke anyone, but the system isn't designed to have checks and balances. It's designed to launch quickly and effectively.
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I really wouldn't bet on that first bit... I mean it.
 
Silva said:
Even Trump isn't going to actually nuke anyone, but the system isn't designed to have checks and balances. It's designed to launch quickly and effectively.
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The "system" is also designed in a way that the Pentagon is called before launch codes are sent in.

Alarm bells would sound if a random nuke request was made
 
In a documentary I saw a long time ago in the nuclear bunkers there are two operatives each of whom must use their key simultaneously to launch a missile. The locks they must put the keys in are far enough apart to prevent one person doing it. So there are controls.
 
Neutral said:
Quick and concise run down of the process - if the President orders it, short of 'overthrowing' him - he can't be stopped.

Interestingly - the system was put in place not to stop a mad president, but to stop a mad general :lol:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-nuclear-weapon-launch/
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The senior officer in the Pentagon war room must formally authenticate that the person ordering the strike is indeed the president. The officer reads a “challenge code,” often two phonetic letters from the military alphabet, such as “Delta-Echo.” The president retrieves the “biscuit,” a laminated card the president or military aide carries at all times, and finds the matching response to the challenge code: “Charlie-Zulu,” for instance.
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Phew. I'm fairly confident Trump would struggle to read back a military alphabet confirmation code correctly, saving us all.
 
"Charlie-November"

"NO YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME, I SAID FIRE AT CHI-NAHH"
 
To be fair, two of the phonetic alphabet letters are Hotel and Golf, so he has an outside chance of launching nukes by sheer random chance. Maybe Tango as well, if he's looking in a mirror at the time.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
To be fair, two of the phonetic alphabet letters are Hotel and Golf, so he has an outside chance of launching nukes by sheer random chance. Maybe Tango as well, if he's looking in a mirror at the time.
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RedTiger said:
"Yankee-Zulu, I repeat, Yankee-Zulu"

"I'm not letting the lame-stream media catch me out again, the correct term is African-American".
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:lol:
 
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Walking to Air Force One, he must have had someone put his hand in the right shape to salute whilst in the limo so he's just keeping in that way for when the time comes :lol:
 
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