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The Remake Draft
- Thread starter Joga Bonito
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Yeah RB is tough now most top fullbacks are practically wingers. Cafú would've been perfect. I'm struggling a bit with my RB too. Had to get Cole for that reason - a proper all rounder. I'm almost considering getting a 2nd left back to play on the right.
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
@Kazi
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
@Kazi
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
Great pic , I had considered him , phenomenal at betis
Aye, very nice and one of the cleanest Garrincha fits - as feasible as that was ever going to be - in the pool.
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
@NoPace
and NO!
What team are you assembling?and NO!
You should thank EAP, Blind under Lobanovsky would've been a disaster@NoPace putting together a good team too
Why would you want him? There are better CB, LB and DMs around still.and NO!
He's a good fit in the Juan Carlos role in my team, the LB who moves into midfield. Wanted Alaba, but Daley should do nice.
Is it only me thinking Ibra would've been a great false 9 in Edgar's team?
someone is hunting!!
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In the Laudrup role? I think that false-9 role was as much of a playmaker role as you can beg for while Ibrahimovic is the type of false-9 to score a goal per game. So in terms of the false-9 roles they are probably as far apart as you get more or less.
I will pick soon. Having trouble deciding between a player who resembles his theoretical counterpart closely in style of play and results but literally never plays the position, or a guy who is positionally and stylistically similar but not nearly as 2-footed. Any hypothetical advice?
i would go for the former personally.
I would go for the 2nd one, I wouldn't want someone who's never played in a position before
Christ. I was thinking the latter.
Haha. Great. I'm tempted to ignore the position now and pick elsewhere until I get a clear answer.
I dont think Dani Alves has ever played central midfield but if anyone were to pass him off as one I wouldnt argue it. depends if you can convince people it works.
@Annahnomoss is right. It's not a withdrawn striker, but a advanced playmaker Laudrup plays. The way it functions, he usually drops to somewhere between Left AM and Left CM and accommodates a drifting in Stoichkov. I can't see Ibra or the other usual False 9 suspects replicating that. Fabregas would have been perfect.
I'm having serious trouble finding a fit there. So if anyone has any suggestions not useful in your own teams, pm me!
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Well you can't really replicate Laudrup - one of a kind player.
The team was built around him and he was the talisman - a role that very much suits Ibra as well. Ibrahimovic also has very good link up game and can set up a team mate. He's the 9.5 or 10.5 type of player.
He likes to drop deeper especially when he was younger and had bit more pace and engine. He was even playing RW as far as I recall in some games at Inter. He does have an eye for a pass. Of course the current version is a bit different at PSG but before that he always played off a striker and I can see him accommodating a Stoichkov type of player (inside left) coming into the space.
There are a lot of positions where we have to fit players who never played there before a la sweeper, half back etc. So former option would be common in this draft. Later obviously on how much a handicap you think that is.
feck it. I'll leave that position until later. I'll take Thiago Motta, who I know is a perfect fit for the role and fits the description of the player originally there to a goddamn tee.
In other words, he is looking for the modern equivalent of Johan Cruyff.
Fabregas IMO would've been a poor fit. Sure he has the playmaking skills but won't be a good fit into that role for many reasons. Ideally you'd need a Messi, Cruyff, Bergkamp, Rivaldo etc type of player, but since none of them are available you have to sacrifice some of the skills you need for the "perfect" role.
well yes, was typing it before seeing the quote.
I just reread the rules and my reading is that the solution for a knotty problem is to either take a good but not great player and argue that surrounded by greats he could do a hell of a job, since he's doing a similar job at his mid-table or Europa League level club, or take someone you think could thrive in the role even if he's never played there. No idea how to choose between those 2, though.
I really wish Youri Djorkaeff and Ze Roberto were available!
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
@Raees @anant
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4.Alves 5. S. Ramos
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack
@Raees @anant
Fabregas IMO would've been a poor fit. Sure he has the playmaking skills but won't be a good fit into that role for many reasons. Ideally you'd need a Messi, Cruyff, Bergkamp, Rivaldo etc type of player, but since none of them are available you have to sacrifice some of the skills you need for the "perfect" role.
We'll have to disagree here
Messi and Cruyff are genius and can play most roles. Bergkamp, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Zlatan etc are horrible fits. Cruyff mentions his dislike for individual dribbling talents and tells about his emphasis on team players. Let's talk more in match thread on this...
Aye it will be interesting to see who you'll go with. Good luck with your choice and we'll move it in the match threadWe'll have to disagree here
Messi and Cruyff are genius and can play most roles. Bergkamp, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Zlatan etc are horrible fits. Cruyff mentions his dislike for individual dribbling talents and tells about his emphasis on team players. Let's talk more in match thread on this...
Like what @Brwned is doing with his side. Slight worry is that Gerrard, Cole & Terry are arguably the 3 most hated players on the caf. Hope it doesn't go against him (quite sure it won't though)
What team are you assembling?
Obviously didn't want him. Just don't rate him at all. Didn't look if he matched your team tbf but that I shall leave to the match discussions.
I was just so happy with you after the Martial pick, than sad to see a player I resent being picked by the same manager
I'm a bit wary of Rio/Terry partnership. It's like people arguing Beckenbauer / Baresi partnership will be awesome. Terry and Carvalho worked, so I think this should be OK.
Obviously didn't want him. Just don't rate him at all. Didn't look if he matched your team tbf but that I shall leave to the match discussions.
I was just so happy with you after the Martial pick, than sad to see a player I resent being picked by the same manager
I can understand. But how many other Left Backs you know are good as CDM too? Quite thin choices imo.
I'm not going to give you the name, but you should look at the use of the false 9 in the latest international tournaments (2010 and so on), there is a player who is perfect for you stylistically
If we are thinking the same player than he is not making it back to EAP. He would be a nice fit though.