Yeah sounds good to me. I'm not going to plan too deeply as the system is already set and it's all about finding the players for the roles. Given the player pool it's players we are all familiar with so the ideas should already be there.
The Remake Draft
- Thread starter Joga Bonito
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Aye got it formation wise, I've asked an additional clarification over PM for those inside forwards not to clutter the thread additionally.
Great criteria @Joga Bonito, will be a fun draft to research.
I think we can proceed as usual - managers can pick, but the deadline starts after the official draft kick-off?
@Joga Bonito
I can't see a problem with that but suppose it's up to the draft committee
That should be fine - but wait for Joga to confirm it. He may have some minor details to straighten out first.
Official starting time of the drafting process
Yup, we can go ahead without the deadlines for now and the deadline will officially start as stated initially (25th May 15:00 GMT) but no indirect pressuring or asking people to hurry up if they choose to take their time.
@Tuppet whenever you are ready
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Cheers, but the credit should go to the entire committee.
Great draft idea.
Happy to be spectating
Happy to be spectating
have 2 questions:
Do i have to replicate that Germany 1990 team from the final or just from the tournament. To clarify, in fair share of games Uwe Bein was a starter while Littbarski was on the bench. Can i pick and choose from them two or i have to go with Littbarski as he played in the final?
Second question is, lets say you need to replicate Barca team with Dani Alves and Abidal as fullbacks. Can i change sides in my team? I would still have the same type of players but because of the pool or some reason i want wingback on the left and fullback on the right which is the opposite of the original team.
Do i have to replicate that Germany 1990 team from the final or just from the tournament. To clarify, in fair share of games Uwe Bein was a starter while Littbarski was on the bench. Can i pick and choose from them two or i have to go with Littbarski as he played in the final?
Second question is, lets say you need to replicate Barca team with Dani Alves and Abidal as fullbacks. Can i change sides in my team? I would still have the same type of players but because of the pool or some reason i want wingback on the left and fullback on the right which is the opposite of the original team.
I was assigned Brazil 1958 but now that's saying #8
I don't think the numbers relate to which manager they are assigned to.
Already drafted a write-up for my first two picks. And now the nervous wait...
No chance of my first pick even making it down to me and I have no idea what to do when they go!
at least you have a first pick.....
I signed up 15th and get the 15th pick.
Only because I can't think of another player to fill the role. If they go your idea of flipping the formation to tell opposite side will be needed.
I love this draft . Such a good concept . Congrats draft overlords ( calling yourself the committee is a bit odd )
Obvious pick is obvious -
Ronaldo
1) Tuppet - 1. Ronaldo
2) Paulscholes18
3) crappycraperson
4) Downcast
5) harms
6) DavidG
7) Sjor Bepo
8) Gio
9) Enigma_87
10) P-Nut0712
11) Raees/anant
12) NoPace
13) Brwned
14) Kazi
15) EAP
16) MJJ
@paulscholes18
Ronaldo
1) Tuppet - 1. Ronaldo
2) Paulscholes18
3) crappycraperson
4) Downcast
5) harms
6) DavidG
7) Sjor Bepo
8) Gio
9) Enigma_87
10) P-Nut0712
11) Raees/anant
12) NoPace
13) Brwned
14) Kazi
15) EAP
16) MJJ
@paulscholes18
Obvious pick is obvious -
Ronaldo
1) Tuppet - 1. Ronaldo
2) Paulscholes18
3) crappycraperson
4) Downcast
5) harms
6) DavidG
7) Sjor Bepo
8) Gio
9) Enigma_87
10) P-Nut0712
11) Raees/anant
12) NoPace
13) Brwned
14) Kazi
15) EAP
16) MJJ
@paulscholes18
Shock !!
You go with the XI provided, simple as that.
If we had gone with a blueprint not featuring final players/positions/roles, that would have looked out of place to an even greater degree. Besides, who would want Littbarski on the bench?
Seriously, though - the blueprints are intended to be the most relevant (graphic) representations of the systems in question. In some cases I'm sure there's a debate to be had over individual players - but for the purpose of this draft, what you work with is the blueprint provided: That XI is the one you're tasked with re-creating - nothing else.
I signed up 15th and get the 15th pick.
Should have signed up sooner
That's just the initial list of tactical set-ups lists. Both the lists have been randomised and are in post 54. Either way, it has been edited for the managers convenience.
Can the OP threadmark post #53 please? Seems to be the only one matching managers with formations.
no need for explanation chester, understand your point and agree just wanted to be sure.
Can you answer the other question as well? thanks
no need for explanation chester, understand your point and agree just wanted to be sure.
Can you answer the other question as well? thanks
Coming up. It's an important question, as it turns out.
#3 does as well now and I'm sure @Joga Bonito will edit the threadmarked one the same way he did #3 .
@paulscholes18 has the easiest formation of the draft IMO. just a standard 4-3-3
There are few individuals who are difficult to replicate though. If he makes first three picks right than it's a smooth ride for him until the end of a drafting.
And that's the name of the game. Simply throwing a gang of players together who don't look entirely out of place in the nominal formation won't cut it. You have to draft players who actually resemble the originals in terms of what they bring to the table, on the detail plane - and that's where the debates will arise: On the detail plane. Does your man actually fit the bill?
After much deliberation, it has been decided that switch-a-roos are outlawed.
That wasn't a standard 4-3-3 at all.
It is as much a standard 4-3-3 as a total-footballing Ajax/Holland side is.
It's pretty difficult to replicate the Germany 1972 in terms of getting the personnel and the fluidity spot on. No easy task trying to replicate some of the exhilarating football and the phenomenal movement that that side boasted.
Just to add on to Chester's posts, it most certainly isn't just about replicating the formation, or the ideology alone or the modern player fits - but rather a combination of all these factors in a holistic manner.
@Chesterlestreet @Joga Bonito
Any reason why you went with the non-Romario Dream Team? I always associate him with the Barca team from the early 90s. Was it to further distinguish it from LVG's Ajax side?
Any reason why you went with the non-Romario Dream Team? I always associate him with the Barca team from the early 90s. Was it to further distinguish it from LVG's Ajax side?
How are players being judged? 3 year peak or career or what? I know it's about fidelity to the formation, but, to use a name that won't get picked, nobody is going to draft Paul McShane even if he fits a role perfectly.
It was simply due to the foreigner rule meaning that only 3 of Koeman, Romario, Stoichkov and Laudrup were on the pitch at the same time. One of them simply couldn't make the cut, and we've decided to go with the more successful (and the more interesting I should add) version of the Dream Team.
I always find that a bit odd to be honest. He joined a team that had won 3 league titles in a row and a CL and he only had one successful season at the club. He has become the face of a team in a way he really shouldn't be. There's an argument to be had that they were even more entertaining than before in the few games Laudrup, Romario and Stoichkov started together, but overall we're talking about 15-20 games here and barely any big games.
We thought about going with the 'fantasy' formation that is usually used to describe the team even though it never actually happened in reality (the one with all 4 foreigners on the team sheet). But no one else got that kind of freedom and like Joga said, once we had to decide for one of the real formations, it has to be the 1992 one because it's tactically more interesting and because it won Barca their first European Cup.
Someone had to be dropped, I guess.
I'll let Joga and Balu elaborate on this - if they wish to.
But for me, it's an interesting point in itself to bring up the quota: It's a factor not considered in many debates about historical teams (and players), but an extremely tangible one. The so-called Dream Team couldn't field more than three players in a certain category at the same time - that was the reality. Super teams were only relatively so back in the day - and the same quota also meant that teams across the big European leagues were able to land huge players to an extent we don't see today.
That's a slightly different story, though - as for why no Romario, I'll leave that question for the gentlemen mentioned.
Yeah, just the usual draft standard of a 3 year peak but like you've stated individual quality shouldn't be the focus here. An average player who is a good fit tactically is better than having a great player who is a poor/average fit tactically. However, they could potentially factor in the decision making of vote makers in tight matches etc or determining which manager has done a better job of replicating the balance and player fits of the original side better
Or as Chester put it
Having a serious problem with one of my players. There is literally no one comparable to him in the modern game.
Btw, I love how you've made us a write-up template.
Perhaps should be a template for every draft.
Perhaps should be a template for every draft.