The Media and their treatment of Raheem Sterling | Agrees new 5 year deal

Strange seeing City and United fans unified about something. But completely agree. Racist media with their agenda can do one.

Possibly an unpopular opinion but it’s the reason why the Andy Coles, Smallings, Ferdinand etc get overlooked for England for the Phil Jones, Terrys etc.
 
I wonder if Harry Kane would be upset with the kind of coverage Sterling’s getting from the English press..? :wenger:
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I can't believe that fecking scumbag of a paper are using Damilola Taylor's dad to further their agenda. It's completely outrageous.

You'd think Sterling got a tattoo of a gang sign.

It's an M16 assault rifle. Tell me of any gangs in London who use them? A lot of the weapons gangs use have been modified to fire rounds ffs.

Sterling probably only heard of an M16 on Call of Duty 4 or something. It's a shite tattoo, not cause it's offensive but cause it fecking shit looking.
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You'd also think Taylor's dad would be wise enough to avoid being used like this.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Strange seeing City and United fans unified about something. But completely agree. Racist media with their agenda can do one.

Possibly an unpopular opinion but it’s the reason why the Andy Coles, Smallings, Ferdinand etc get overlooked for England for the Phil Jones, Terrys etc.
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I'm not sure how much of it is racism and how much isn't but I think there's definitely an underlying smack of racism in some of the articles. I also feel a lot of the negative articles are a direct result of him leaving Liverpool to sign for City and the furore that was whipped up in the press as a result, due in no small part to some of the stuff being leaked out of Anfield at the time. With Liverpool being the second biggest supported club in the country, certain sections of the press were always going to lap it up.

The trouble is, too many people allow themselves to be suckered in and get outraged about these stories. To cite an example not involving Sterling, Memphis Depay turned up for United training in a Rolls Royce convertible and the press were all over it like a rash. Now I can understand the point that some United fans made that he hadn't done enough on the pitch up to that point, and I'm sure if Ferguson was still manager he'd have frowned upon Depay rolling up to training in a Roller (pardon the pun), but aside from that I don't see any reason why anyone else would be outraged yet plenty of people were. As a result, I was hoping he'd turn up in an even more expensive car next time round so as to piss off the morally outraged brigade even further:lol:
 
M18CTID said:
I'm not sure how much of it is racism and how much isn't but I think there's definitely an underlying smack of racism in some of the articles. I also feel a lot of the negative articles are a direct result of him leaving Liverpool to sign for City and the furore that was whipped up in the press as a result, due in no small part to some of the stuff being leaked out of Anfield at the time. With Liverpool being the second biggest supported club in the country, certain sections of the press were always going to lap it up.

The trouble is, too many people allow themselves to be suckered in and get outraged about these stories. To cite an example not involving Sterling, Memphis Depay turned up for United training in a Rolls Royce convertible and the press were all over it like a rash. Now I can understand the point that some United fans made that he hadn't done enough on the pitch up to that point, and I'm sure if Ferguson was still manager he'd have frowned upon Depay rolling up to training in a Roller (pardon the pun), but aside from that I don't see any reason why anyone else would be outraged yet plenty of people were. As a result, I was hoping he'd turn up in an even more expensive car next time round so as to piss off the morally outraged brigade even further:lol:
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Depay was actually a friend of a friend. He was so excited getting his first car. The abuse from the media brought him to tears, he didn’t understand it.

Also heard he was actually a very hard working player, in terms of training very hard. Very hungry for success. The premier league was unfortunately way too fast for him.

I do wonder if Depay was in the mould of Daley Blind (a white Dutchman) would he be here a bit longer, given more of a chance with a lot less abuse.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Depay was actually a friend of a friend. He was so excited getting his first car. The abuse from the media brought him to tears, he didn’t understand it.

Also heard he was actually a very hard working player, in terms of training very hard. Very hungry for success. The premier league was unfortunately way too fast for him.

I do wonder if Depay was in the mould of Daley Blind (a white Dutchman) would he be here a bit longer, given more of a chance with a lot less abuse.
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I don't think black players have a monopoly on having the piss taken out of them for having an over the top lifestyle. Stephen Ireland also got a load of stick. I think any footballer who likes to wear extravagant clothes or drive extravagant cars will get more grief than someone who is a bit more low key. If they choose to be ostentatious with their wealth (and it is a choice) then they're sticking their heads above the parapet and need to be fairly thick-skinned.

Having said that, I do completely agree that black players are more likely to get scrutiny about this sort of thing than white players. Sterling isn't even very bling in the way he behaves. It's actually hard to work why he gets so much more stick than most.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don't think black players have a monopoly on having the piss taken out of them for having an over the top lifestyle. Stephen Ireland also got a load of stick. I think any footballer who likes to wear extravagant clothes or drive extravagant cars will get more grief than someone who is a bit more low key. If they choose to be ostentatious with their wealth (and it is a choice) then they're sticking their heads above the parapet and need to be fairly thick-skinned.

Having said that, I do completely agree that black players are more likely to get scrutiny about this sort of thing than white players. Sterling isn't even very bling in the way he behaves. It's actually hard to work why he gets so much more stick than most.
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Thing is you need to bare in mind to be offended with extravagant Black fashion is also quite racist. It’s part of their culture.
 
KingMinger22 said:
The Sun are obviously a joke.

And so is this stupid story.

I don’t see the link to racism whatsoever though. There is zero evidence of that.

Get the feck over yourselves.
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I feel as though people like you seem to think that racism starts and stops at white people outright calling someone ‘nigger’. Anything else is black people ‘pulling the race card’.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Thing is you need to bare in mind to be offended with extravagant Black fashion is also quite racist. It’s part of their culture.
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Even if it’s a white guy wearing all the bling? (see Stephen Ireland above).

Also, isn’t there a point at which “its part of my culture” stops being a reasonable defence? Are we not allowed to criticise misogynist hip hop lyrics because that’s a cultural thing too?
 
Sara_1997 said:
I feel as though people like you seem to think that racism starts and stops at white people outright calling someone ‘nigger’. Anything else is black people ‘pulling the race card’.
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That is not remotely how I feel.

However, I have far better things to do than argue about this crap online.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Possibly an unpopular opinion but it’s the reason why the Andy Coles, Smallings, Ferdinand etc get overlooked for England for the Phil Jones, Terrys etc.
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While I don't consider the FA (England team wise) to be racist in this day and age (1), I felt that during the 90s both Cole and Ian Wright should have been picked a hell of a lot more for England than what was actually the case, especially when Shearer was on poor form. Now I don't know why this was actually the case, but I would not be surprised if race did not play some part in that.

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(1) I know Smalling was left out, but I feel it was more to do with Southgate's bizzare (and hypocritical) views on the player more than any racism towards him. Especially when just under half the WC squad (11 our 23) are ethnically Non-White, likewise if you count all the players he has picked in the last 12 months, a similar percentage also applies (22 out of 47 Players) as well.
 
1Manchester said:
While I don't consider the FA (England team wise) to be racist in this day and age (1), I felt that during the 90s both Cole and Ian Wright should have been picked a hell of a lot more for England than what was actually the case, especially when Shearer was on poor form. Now I don't know why this was actually the case, but I would not be surprised if race did not play some part in that.

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(1) I know Smalling was left out, but I feel it was more to do with Southgate's bizzare (and hypocritical) views on the player more than any racism towards him. Especially when just under half the WC squad (11 our 23) are ethnically Non-White, likewise if you count all the players he has picked in the last 12 months, a similar percentage also applies (22 out of 47 Players) as well.
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FA are not racist proved by the point you just made.

However the media are racist in my opinion, especially when there’s a choice between a white player and a black player. Look at Jack Wilshere, been championed to get in the side. Whereas Welbeck has completely been written off by the media. In this case the manager hasn’t listened and to be honest I wouldn’t have taken either. But I think both have a similar level of argument to get in the side.

Also think if Smalling was white, playing like he has for the last 6 months, the media would have championed him more.

Also, how many England captains are black in the last 20 years? I can’t think of one. Seen as recent captains have been Henderson and Cahill, do you think a black player of their ability would be picked as captain? No chance.

Like I said, unpopular opinion.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Even if it’s a white guy wearing all the bling? (see Stephen Ireland above).

Also, isn’t there a point at which “its part of my culture” stops being a reasonable defence? Are we not allowed to criticise misogynist hip hop lyrics because that’s a cultural thing too?
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I think the media just need to stop hating on bling and hip hop. Hip hop and gun tattoos does not cause violence in kids, bad parenting does. All this is just the public trying to blame their bad kids on someone other than themselves.
 
#07 said:
I wonder if Harry Kane would be upset with the kind of coverage Sterling’s getting from the English press..? :wenger:
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This is a great, recent comparison, and really highlights the point.

Andy_Cole said:
Thing is you need to bare in mind to be offended with extravagant Black fashion is also quite racist. It’s part of their culture.
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Very true, and good point.

Zlatan is fairly unusual looking for a footballer - long hair, heavy metal look really. And is mouthy as feck. But compare Zlatan's treatment in the press to someone who's 'loud' in a way that incorporates Black Culture and you'll soon see the difference.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Also, how many England captains are black in the last 20 years? I can’t think of one. Seen as recent captains have been Henderson and Cahill, do you think a black player of their ability would be picked as captain? No chance.

Like I said, unpopular opinion.
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Since 1998, the following have captained England:
Paul Ince, Emile Heskey, Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand, Joleon Lescott and Chris Smalling.

I don't think Lescott or Heskey ever started a game as captain (probably got the armband after a sub) but the rest certainly did.
 
duffer said:
Since 1998, the following have captained England:
Paul Ince, Emile Heskey, Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand, Joleon Lescott and Chris Smalling.

I don't think Lescott or Heskey ever started a game as captain (probably got the armband after a sub) but the rest certainly did.
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How many of them were the announced team captains for the major tournament? Pretty sure since 1998 it has been:

Shearer
Beckham
Gerrard
Rooney
Kane

With Lampard, Terry, Cahill, Henderson filling in. The above were the announced captains when a new manager has come in or a player has retired. Never has a manager come in and announced that a black player was his captain. Pretty shocking considering 11/23 of the current squad is non white

If I had a choice of the current England captain I’d have also chosen Kane, as I’d usually pick the best player. Walker has a big claim too though as one of the few guaranteed starters. No mention of him coming close to captaincy.
 
Andy_Cole said:
How many of them were the announced team captains for the major tournament? Pretty sure since 1998 it has been:

Shearer
Beckham
Gerrard
Rooney
Kane

With Lampard, Terry, Cahill, Henderson filling in. The above were the announced captains when a new manager has come in or a player has retired. Never has a manager come in and announced that a black player was his captain. Pretty shocking considering 11/23 of the current squad is non white

If I had a choice of the current England captain I’d have also chosen Kane, as I’d usually pick the best player. Walker has a big claim too though as one of the few guaranteed starters. No mention of him coming close to captaincy.
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Walker captain? Has he ever captained his club side, even once? As you say, Kane was the only choice. The likes of Cahill and Henderson are club captains so it's a pretty natural pick for them to fill in.

Of all the "permanent" captains you mention, I don't think any were the wrong choice.
 
Andy_Cole said:
FA are not racist proved by the point you just made.
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Agreed. Although a question mark does remain over their team selections in the 90s.

Andy_Cole said:
However the media are racist in my opinion. especially when there’s a choice between a white player and a black player.
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Most of all the Murdoch Papers, the Mail and the Express.

Andy_Cole said:
Look at Jack Wilshere, been championed to get in the side. Whereas Welbeck has completely been written off by the media. In this case the manager hasn’t listened and to be honest I wouldn’t have taken either. But I think both have a similar level of argument to get in the side.
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I would not entirely disagree with you on this point. Although to be fair Welbeck has been on worse form than Wilshire has (at the Arsenal) this season, likewise the broader issue of England's midfield issues has kind of affected this debate as well. So it is somewhat understanble (1) why Wilshire has been championed more than Welbeck when it comes to being selected.

However for me the real issue is why there has been a lack of support towards the selection of Leon Bailey for England despite his talents and potential eligibility for said Home Nation. This is where race has likely played a bigger part in for certain sections of the media.

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(1) For the record I was firmly against Wilshire selection for Euro 2016 due the lack of playing time (due to injuries) he had in the previous season, I would have personally selected Mark Noble (who was on very good form at the time) in his place.

Andy_Cole said:
Also think if Smalling was white, playing like he has for the last 6 months, the media would have championed him more.
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Perhaps so.

Andy_Cole said:
Also, how many England captains are black in the last 20 years? I can’t think of one.
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If we are talking about Permanent Captain's alone, only 1 in the form of Rio Ferdinand (2010-2011). Personally I felt at the time that after Beckham's stepping down from the role, Rio should have got the armband instead of Terry (Who held it both between 2006-2010 and 2011-2012) (1) for reasons that do not need to be explained.

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(1) For the whole of the 2006-2012 period.

Andy_Cole said:
Seen as recent captains have been Henderson and Cahill, do you think a black player of their ability would be picked as captain? No chance.
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To be large extent yes I would agree on this point, I mean considering the circumstances I feel that both Walker and Young (as much as those 2 anyway) should be given the armband for England on a more frequent basis.

However to be fair though, the number of potential choices for the role (White or Black) is pretty limited to say the least. I mean out of the current lot only Kane, Dier, Young, Walker and maybe Bertrand could considered good enough to hold the role.

Andy_Cole said:
Like I said, unpopular opinion.
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Not an unreasonable one though.
 
#07 said:
I wonder if Harry Kane would be upset with the kind of coverage Sterling’s getting from the English press..? :wenger:
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imagine if Raheem Sterling 'swore on his daughters life' for the sake of a measly goal to his name
 
In general, I don't really care anymore about the stupid things English footballers do. As long as they perform well and don't embarrass themselves, I'll be happy. I am resigned to the fact that we can't produce world class footballers. I do expect them to behave themselves, though.

I don't have a problem with a tattoo, but I understand it will raise eyebrows. It's not the same as owning replica guns such as the ones pirates used.
Those guns are ornaments, they will not be used. Having a tattoo of a real gun is unwise.
 
I think it's at the point where they're doing it for publicity/clicks.
 
The UK based media is doing a grand job of making sure our best players go into the tournament with the backing of the nation.

And then we wonder why the national team is a circus with our best players continuously failing to apply their club form.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
The UK based media is doing a grand job of making sure our best players go into the tournament with the backing of the nation.

And then we wonder why the national team is a circus with our best players continuously failing to apply their club form.
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Yea, your guys media is slightly upside down I’d say...
 
Jacko21 said:


The Sun just ploughing on regardless.
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Or maybe Sterling just keeps painting a target on his own back?

After the tattoo controversy you'd have thought anyone with any sort of brain would have realised they'd better make sure they were unimpeachable. Every other player manages to get there on time but Sterling just doesn't bother and it's the media's fault for reporting it?
 
Rednotdead said:
Or maybe Sterling just keeps painting a target on his own back?

After the tattoo controversy you'd have thought anyone with any sort of brain would have realised they'd better make sure they were unimpeachable. Every other player manages to get there on time but Sterling just doesn't bother and it's the media's fault for reporting it?
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You might want to have a look into why he was late before posting comments like that. As it happens, his flight was delayed so it’s hardly his fault. Unless you think Sterling is responsible for flights not taking off on time. It’s a total non-story and Southgate didn’t have an issue with it, yet typically that gutter rag are making an issue of it. That prick Wyett is getting slaughtered on Twitter by fans of all clubs and rightly so. By the way, you do realise this happened a week ago don’t you?
 
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M18CTID said:
You might want to have a look into why he was late before posting comments like that. As it happens, his flight was delayed so it’s hardly his fault. Unless you think Sterling is responsible for flights not taking off on time. It’s a total non-story and Southgate didn’t have an issue with it, yet typically that gutter rag are making an issue of it. That prick Wyett is getting slaughtered on Twitter by fans of all clubs and rightly so. By the way, you do realise this happened a week ago don’t you?
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Poor little Raheem, things just happen to him that aren't his fault and the papers get on his back. It's so unfair!

Would you not question the wisdom of going to Jamaica when he KNEW he had to report by a certain time?
 
Rednotdead said:
Poor little Raheem, things just happen to him that aren't his fault and the papers get on his back. It's so unfair!

Would you not question the wisdom of going to Jamaica when he KNEW he had to report by a certain time?
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Why, what’s wrong with Jamaica? Is there something you’re not telling us?

Anyway, who put you in charge of where footballers can travel to? In any case, last time I looked, when it comes to transport it isn’t just long-haul flights that get delayed or cancelled. If Sterling had decided on a mini-break in this country and his train was delayed/cancelled leading him to turn up late, would that have been more acceptable in your eyes? It’s that same kind of twisted logic that had people questioning why Aguero had travelled to Amsterdam that time he got injured after his taxi crashed en route back to the airport. As if taxis aren’t capable of crashing in Manchester ffs.
 
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