Answered your own question there.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Answered your own question there.
High failure rate from rapid covid test
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-of-cases-in-pilot?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-of-cases-in-pilot?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Jesus. Why not just kill them now so they can't ever catch or spread the virus!?
If your fit and healthy you'll be ok, so lets close all the gym's and keep McDonald's open. Makes sense doesn't it?
I’ve done some work on that test. I’m slightly surprised their sensitivity was as low as 50%. I’ve used it with swabs and sensitivity has been >80%. Maybe it’s the saliva. LAMP does have quite a few drawbacks, but it is quick. Plenty of other rapid tests for them to try. Even good old RTqPCR can be fairly rapid (~45min) if optimised further.
Headline of the article annoys me. It might as well read “operation moonshot is stupid, the tories are wasting money.” The stuff in the article is a routine evaluation that has ruled something out.
It's all good!
In terms of the question - I've read a huge amount of shit on social media from people who are, quite frankly, absolute fecking idiots. I can't say for 100000% certain that no one has ever done that, but I'd be astonished if that has ever happened anywhere. It sounds like the classic Covidiot who run the parade of it not being a real thing or that it's being blown well out of proportion etc etc. This sounds like some of that shit.
Yes, that literally does make sense as if we closed takeaways we would cripple a massive part of the economy.
meh, gyms haven’t been a massive problem though. Have you ever visited one?
So stay at home and eat a takeaway, then when we are back out of lockdown we'll be more unhealthy than when we went in it. Big chain corporation's get richer and the working class gets poorer. Gyms are much cleaner than a supermarket.
Surely there are more big chains working in the gym industry than there is in the takeaway industry?
Vaccine will be fine but it won’t come for a while and when it does, distribution will be difficult. How many people can realistically get it per month, 10 million?
It will be worse because people won’t treat restrictions as seriously with every lockdown that follows. Trend here is that most neglect the danger or don’t think the virus exists at all, it will get worse and worse with each wave for all those except the ones who will either suffer themselves or have someone in their family suffer/die.
Also it appears we are getting quite a few reinfections which puts the immunity argument in question.
I wonder why such a different?
Easy to assume it is more of the incompetent shot show I guess.
I have heard that numerous times here as well and it’s always one of few similar stories. Obviously nonsense. If there was any agenda to put covid in death certificate then the last three weeks we’ve been getting 5k excess deaths per week (7.5k jumping to 12.5k, huge spike) and only less than 1k of them were in covid statistics. If doctors ‘get paid extra money for putting covid in death certificate’ then we have a lot of dumb doctors who haven’t seized a brilliant opportunity to do that with all the extra bodies.
@Hernandez - BFA
Out of interest, are you working within the NHS in the UK?
I know somebody very close to me who has been working as a nurse on the front line, in one of the biggest hospitals in the UK, since this kicked off, and without hesitation she tells me it definitely happens.
Out of interest, are you working within the NHS in the UK?
I know somebody very close to me who has been working as a nurse on the front line, in one of the biggest hospitals in the UK, since this kicked off, and without hesitation she tells me it definitely happens.
Think I’ve got it. Realised an hour ago when my dominos tasted bland. Also think my smell has gone faint too.
Isolated since. Test in the morning.
Isolated since. Test in the morning.
Nurses aren’t allowed to sign death certs, so I’d take the opinion of someone who actually completes and signs death certs over someone who happens to work in the same place as them.
I take it you have asked her why the doctors she knows are putting lies on their death certificates, what did she say?
And the doctors, with respect for what they do do, aren’t the ones on the very front line caring for these people and seeing them die and have Covid put on their death certificates when they were only ever classed as “query Covid” at worst.
Easy paperwork is what I’ve heard. Especially in care homes.
I guess it’s a contentious point, but it’s hardly news.
23 years ago my then father in law had an epileptic fit in his sleep and died, yet alcohol poisoning was put on his death certificate because he’d had a drink that lunch time.
There’s not a doctor working in the NHS who would put covid on a death cert without a postive test confirming the diagnosis so that bit in bold is pure fiction.
Maybe ask your nurse friend why she thinks doctors are lying on legal documents that they could get struck off for falsifying? What’s in it for them?
I honestly don’t know enough about it, but from working in care myself over the last year or so, I’ve heard this also.
@Hernandez - BFA, I send you all my best wishes. It must be extremely upsetting not to be able to do anything to save your patients.
How is it any easier paperwork than giving an alternative cause of death? That literally makes no sense.
So like, no offence but I don’t believe your friend.
Can she or you answer why? For what purpose would doctors falsify certificates to inflate the Covid numbers? If it was a government thing then surely it’s in their best interest to do the opposite?
Maybe because a Covid death is taken as some kind of given right now and less questions are asked and it’s notched up as another Covid death for the official figures? I honestly don’t know but I will ask for her take on it.
I really don’t know where fact starts and conspiracy theories end these days.
But why would it matter what they died of? Why would it matter to the doctor? I find it very hard to believe they’d risk their entire career just for the ease of writing Covid?
Notched up as another for the figures? Who’s interest is it for that number to keep rising?
Well the facts start with the amount of corona deaths and the conspiracy’s start with your postings.
I think in the US anyway, the covidots say hospital get more money to deal with the issue if they are struggling more, ie more deaths?
Or something similar
Yep but they lose money so long as there are high Covid case loads as it drastically reduces the number of elective surgeries, one of their prime sources of income.
Meanwhile my mother in law has been told to continue going in to work at the library. That essential part of modern life that people definitely couldn't live without for 4 weeks. We're governed by idiots.
It isn't. I'm working in A&E (locum) and in community (GP practice serving a demographic with high covid incidence)
Deaths in hospital require discussion with a medical examiner first (ME) in bereavement office and in rare instances a coroner
Below is a death certificate example
Part Ia is direct cause with b and c also you work your way back through the other diseases that led to the eventual cause of death
Most commonly in hospital for example during first wave I would write
1a) Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)
1b) Bilateral pneumonia
1c) COVID-19
Part II is other conditions that were not necessarily in the main causal sequence of death but played a role in hastening death - often Ischaemic Heart Disease.
All of this pertaining to COVID is public knowledge
https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf
Incidentally the Centre of Evidence Based Medicine for the University of Oxford has more details on COVID-19 as cause of death in addition to ONS' interpretation of what's on death certs in terms of their figures
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/
You should do that.
One thing I’ve realised from hanging out on message boards full of doctors is that even some of them believe blatantly false conspiracy theories (although never any of the ones who are day to day treating dead/dying covid patients) so would be no surprise at all if nurses are prone to the same.
It’s a terrible fecking shame but Facebook/Twitter bullshit seems to be even more contagious than the virus.
Sending you best wishes and resilience, vast vast majority of people I speak to, family members and covid survivors know how much people in respiratory and ITU have done for them. The covidiots don't compare.
For me it comes down to the fact that a lot of these people who believe that they are exaggerating deaths or that their favourite sport/leisure activity is completely safe are just refusing to accept reality. The fact that excess deaths (the greatest idea of how many COVID deaths we have had) is ignored and random anecdotal evidence from friends of the family is believed is mental to me. The government and the NHS have absolutely no reason to inflate deaths. Quite the opposite to be honest. But some people just refuse to accept the inconvenience and thus have to twist it to something else.
if you’re losing your livelihood - I get it. It can feel like a death sentence if you’ve got nowhere to go. But quite simply if you don’t believe the death figures because you miss going to the gym or you want a round of golf you’re a knob.
if you’re losing your livelihood - I get it. It can feel like a death sentence if you’ve got nowhere to go. But quite simply if you don’t believe the death figures because you miss going to the gym or you want a round of golf you’re a knob.
UK figures for today - 378 deaths, 24,141 new cases.
Well said, and spot on regarding government motivation, what do they gain from inflating numbers? You’re completely right, people are so desperate to go back to their normal lives that they will believe anything, people are just bored of this, and want to justify acting like a jebend.
Yes I am.
Entitled to her statement - but I don't think she'd know what people are putting down.
Plus as @Pogue Mahone said, I'm not sure why a doctor would feel the need to put down COVID on a death certificate when it isn't relevant to the death. You can say what you want about how the government has dealt with this, but I don't see why there is a conspiracy that doctors are in on it
We're the ones who do these death certificates - I have very little to gain for putting the words COVID down when it's not close to the relevancy of the case. The patient's family sees these so it would come to bite us in the ass if they clock it and say "So COVID killed him?! You told us it was a heart attack!".I can't think of many who would risk their jobs by getting it wrong.
I remember when I accidently put the wrong diagnosis down on a death certificate in the first year of work - and I had the coroner ring me up demanding me for a statement as to why I put it down on the death certificate.