If anything the UK's media was slow to criticize the UK government's response, certainly compared to media outside the UK. I'm not sure how they could avoid criticising them at this point.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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No it is’nt of course it’s the duty of the media to hold decision makers to account. Trouble is the holding to account is warped by political ideologies. At a time as well when everyone, including all those pontificating on social media .... and yes I include myself.....are talking out of there arses. Where I do reckon our medical experts have it right is in saying that it’s only when this is totally under control and meaningful comparisons are able to be made throughout the world will any nation be able to point fingers and say how much we buggered up. Be damned if like many on boards such as this I want to make capital over how poorly we might be doing.
We have a similar set-up in our village. There is a large "Casa di Riposo" right in the middle of the main street, it's at the centre of the community. I know they take people there who are still self-caring, because the elderly newsagent who lived right next door to it moved in when his wife died.
The village GP operates from the ground floor and looks after the residents, and the emergency medical service (who villagers can see out of hours) is also based there. It's owned by the local council. It's something we lost in the UK when the community long-stay hospitals were closed and nothing was put in their place that was publicly-owned.
This is a general forum attached to a Man Utd football site. What political capital do you think is made by people posting on boards like this?
Yes, there will be political slants to journalistic queries of the Government. I can't understand why that invalidates the need for the challenges to occur. They are the Government and they must be held to account. We can simply adopt compliant positions and have a little chat about it next June.
I still find it funny that we're calling this a lockdown. We're pretty much free to do what we like, there's just nowhere to go. A lockdown in name only.
Thank god the media didn't promote Trumo's covid cures unquestioningly.
It's not so much making political capital as wanting accountability.
You want us to have faith in a government that was willing to let thousands of old people die only to do a massive U-turn when it realised that was a vote loser?
OK fine, don't expect others to give this government a free pass though.
Hmmm, not really seeing the value of using Z score (rather than something more directly correlated to the actual numbers of excess deaths) there - the FT's briefing seems more intelligible really - https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c. Maybe someone can explain why using the Z score is statistically helpful.
I do agree with the central premise though - we need to look at excess deaths to get a serious idea of how we're doing. "Covid on the death certificate" isn't enough of a guide given the lack of testing in the community and the numbers dying without hospital treatment.
In one of the replies he says he used Z score because that's what the source used in their data.
Poor man.
Some landlords are a disgrace.His landlord is a scumbag for pulling a stunt like that.
He/she is going to have to live with that decision
Yup, but if he can do it in the first instance, not sure he’ll have much of a conscience.
The second round of easing restrictions in Slovenia will begin next week. Bars and restaurants will be able to open on May 4th, but will only be able to serve on terraces and patios. Libraries, museums, galleries will also open on the same day. As will churches, which will even be able to hold a mass, which seem like a terrible idea, but I guess you have to pander to your voter base if you're a terrible government. Most of non-essential business and stores can all begin work next Monday as well.
So we're slowly getting some semblance of normality back. Course as far as I can tell we still won't be able to leave our municipalities for non-essential reasons (which always was and still is dumb, considering how small and useless some of them are) and schools and universities will remain closed until 11th of May at least. There's still a nation wide study going on which will test at least 1500 randomly selected people. 3000 invitations were sent out and about 1300 people responded, so they'll need to do a second part of the study after the holidays.
We've also had our very own dumb protests going on in some of larger "cities". Some of it was fueled, by the fact that our brilliant politicians likely managed to do some light embezzling when procuring the PPE. The usual "exploit an emergency state for some easy corruption" deal that we get every so often here, normally by the same exact politicians that did it the last time. It's usually discovered a few years after the fact, but this time we had a whistle blower that managed to put the whole sham to light quite early. But most of the protest was just general, non specific bullshit, ranging from anything between corona is less dangerous than the flu and 5g/chipping/state control nonsense. Either way hopefully there won't be any new clusters thanks to this ridiculousness.
So we're slowly getting some semblance of normality back. Course as far as I can tell we still won't be able to leave our municipalities for non-essential reasons (which always was and still is dumb, considering how small and useless some of them are) and schools and universities will remain closed until 11th of May at least. There's still a nation wide study going on which will test at least 1500 randomly selected people. 3000 invitations were sent out and about 1300 people responded, so they'll need to do a second part of the study after the holidays.
We've also had our very own dumb protests going on in some of larger "cities". Some of it was fueled, by the fact that our brilliant politicians likely managed to do some light embezzling when procuring the PPE. The usual "exploit an emergency state for some easy corruption" deal that we get every so often here, normally by the same exact politicians that did it the last time. It's usually discovered a few years after the fact, but this time we had a whistle blower that managed to put the whole sham to light quite early. But most of the protest was just general, non specific bullshit, ranging from anything between corona is less dangerous than the flu and 5g/chipping/state control nonsense. Either way hopefully there won't be any new clusters thanks to this ridiculousness.
China to boycott Australia if they move ahead with an investigation of China’s handling of the Coronavirus outbreak.
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...s-economic-consequences-if-australia-launches
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...s-economic-consequences-if-australia-launches
They won't care.
It would increase the headline number of deaths numbers
The graphs don't look as scary otherwise. People just use whatever stats they want that fit their agenda. The entire thing reeks.
"I was hesitant to post this" no he wasnt, the minute he had created it he was already in the middle of posting it.
I've reached a stage where I want to puke all over Facebook.
Very positive news man, sounds good.
Hahaha, you're spot on.
"Oooooh, I don't know if I should share this but...…." The entire point of creating it was to fecking share it.
I am all for gov't bashing where needed, but lots of people need to take personal responsibility as well. There were lost of videos of English holiday-makers in Spain drinking in crowded pubs and just being loud annoying gits even though that country was in early phases of quarantine.
Same thing in the States with partygoers in Florida and New Orleans, and throughout the country around St Patrick's day. YOLO cnuts.
Same thing in the States with partygoers in Florida and New Orleans, and throughout the country around St Patrick's day. YOLO cnuts.
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Delete that cancer.
Why?
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'Cause the world is full of pseudo-scientific, chicken-brained idiots. And they flock.
China can eat shit, if the whole demands a thorough investigation
So many better ways to fill your time, congrats!
There’s so little to hide, we won’t even let you look
Top Coronavirus ER Doctor Dies By Suicide
I generally agree but don’t forget that the UK and US governments were both going against the grain at around that time, with talk of herd immunity and reassuring people that it was a fairly mild disease. So it’s no surprise that both countries had more than their share of “just a flu” covidiots in the opening week or two of their epidemics.
In SA the "just a flu" brigade is gaining momentum and we're on Day 33 of lockdown. The covidiot growth is exponential.
Can't speak about England, but herd immunity was never touted in the States. Locally speaking, there were idiots like De Blasio or Dr. Oxiris Barbot who were initially very laissez-faire (~ February talking about joining large crowds in Chinatown and celebrating the new lunar year), but once the alarm bells started ringing (in part due to the situation in Italy and Spain) the public health messaging* was very clear - this is serious, take precautions. Some idiots never ever gave a shit.
*I'm ignoring Fox News obviously because the YOLO crowd would never watch it in the first place.
Herd immunity was the wrong strategy from the get-go (we're not cattle ffs), but some people take it to the extremes with the partying. "The pubs are open, therefore I'll take full advantage, YOLO". The gov't could in fact be wrong and all evidence from the around the globe at that time seemed to point that way, so use your brain and some precaution people.
Same here. Our mortality is very low because we went into lockdown early so people think it’s just a flu or even weaker. People are just mostly cretins.
The biggest mistake is making out that battling the virus is like WW2. Do you think of the UK papers print criticism the virus will find out and use the information against us? No, it is a ridiculous comparison designed to stop people questioning the terrible reaction government has made.
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The government banned evictions for any reason, hasnt he at the very least broke the law here?
Exactly!
The UK press and public love a good war analogy. Which in this situation is dangerous in two ways.
Lazy war analogies both overstated the risk of the virus to most people whilst silencing legitimate criticism of the government.
It was an illegal eviction by the sound of it even under existing law.
Erm?
Herd immunity is the aim but unless we want mass death the only way most places can realistically get that is a vaccine.