SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

fergieisold said:
only if it was your firms fault I'd imagine?
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No mate, it's basically life insurance for as long as I am employed by them, if I die of anything whilst still employed by them my next of kin gets a payout. They pay the insurance, so there's no cost to us.

It's a pretty big firm worldwide but I had similar life assurance from a local family firm I used to work for so I expected public sector staff would get something similar.
 
jymufc20 said:
No mate, it's basically life insurance for as long as I am employed by them, if I die of anything whilst still employed by them my next of kin gets a payout. They pay the insurance, so there's no cost to us.

It's a pretty big firm worldwide but I had similar life assurance from a local family firm I used to work for so I expected public sector staff would get something similar.
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Yeah mine is the same. I think they might even pay triple in some cases (i.e. if you are travelling for work).
 
jymufc20 said:
Am I dumb to think that NHS staff should already get this before covid-19 ?

Edit. I have just read that back and yes, under our government I am dumb to think that.
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I depends on the level of employee, I suppose, but NHS employees should absolutely have life insurance provided by their employer as you would expect from any large organization that values those who work for them.
 
fergieisold said:
Good to see the NHS workers families getting 60k compensation
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All the money raised by NHS donations should be given to these people. I think it would work out much more but I wouldn't know how they could work it out. The NHS should not be getting funded by the public donations because this cnut of a government have underfunded it for years.
 
Life assurance is pretty standard at big companies. My employer provides us cover for 6x annual pay, so that 60k really isn't that much.
 
Skills said:
Life assurance is pretty standard at big companies. My employer provides us cover for 6x annual pay, so that 60k really isn't that much.
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Yup I get 6x core salary and then pay for an additional £200k cover.

I worry my wife wanna bump me off with over £600k at stake but I sleep easy knowing my family is totally taken care of if I were to die.
 
jymufc20 said:
I think it's a load of bollocks they don't get life assurance as it is, I work for a manufacturing firm and if I die in service my family would get double that.
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My family get three years salary if I die. Getting 60k means feck all. I'm actually surprised to find out that they don't get that because I'm public sector too. But that's through a local pension scheme I pay into so maybe that's why?
 
BigDunc9 said:
All the money raised by NHS donations should be given to these people. I think it would work out much more but I wouldn't know how they could work it out. The NHS should not be getting funded by the public donations because this cnut of a government have underfunded it for years.
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But Cameron and Boris are grateful for the NHS so that makes up for it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You could work out the volume of your head by immersing yourself in water, first to your chin, then completely. Then you could have a guess at the density of your head based on data from corpses. Tricky one though. Why do you ask? Worried your head has put on a few pounds?
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Weight the bucket, fill it with water and weigh it again. Stick your head in the bucket causing the watervto over flow. Weigh the bucket and remaining water. Deduct the new bucket weight from the full bucket weight and you have the weight of water your head disolaced. The human body is on average very slightly less dense than water (unless you are very skinny) so the weightvof water minus 5% is a good approximation of you head weight.

To be sure decapitate yourself, weigh your head, stitch it back in and resume your job in the cabinet.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
My family get three years salary if I die. Getting 60k means feck all. I'm actually surprised to find out that they don't get that because I'm public sector too. But that's through a local pension scheme I pay into so maybe that's why?
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I am in the private sector so I am not sure how it works for you, it could be something to do with the pension scheme I think the more I put into my pension the more x annual salary my family gets.
 
Ireland ranked 20th in the world in terms of infections registered. But i imagine poorer countries lower down have vastly more infections than actually tabulated.
 
Our Trumper Governor in Oklahoma is starting to re-open the state this Friday while cases in cities like Tulsa are still rising and lack the capacity for asymptomatic testing. It more or less forced the hand of the local mayors, who are generally more competent. Thanks Donald.

Tulsa World News article
 
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Hugh Jass said:
Ireland ranked 20th in the world in terms of infections registered. But i imagine poorer countries lower down have vastly more infections than actually tabulated.
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Indeed. If you going looking for infections and deaths, you'll find them.

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Hugh Jass said:
Ireland ranked 20th in the world in terms of infections registered. But i imagine poorer countries lower down have vastly more infections than actually tabulated.
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Not just poorer countries. Massive countries like the Uk have done little or no community testing. Only testing in hospitals. That was their approach for the first few weeks anyway. May have changed recently.

In terms of total tests per capita, Ireland is right up there. Which is going to inflate our cases per capita.
 
jymufc20 said:
I am in the private sector so I am not sure how it works for you, it could be something to do with the pension scheme I think the more I put into my pension the more x annual salary my family gets.
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Yeah mate mine is exactly the same. Also gives me a decent lump sum when I reach 67 (at the moment, will probably go up in age before my time). Costs a fair few bob every paycheck but at least I know my kids will either a) get a few quid as a gift when I retire and I can feck off with their mum on a tour of the Pacific for six months, or b) will get a lump sum to give them some financial security if I pop my clogs before that happens.

Obviously it's an exceptional case and we're both very fortunate to be able to get it. Should go without saying but you know.
 
Australia had only 8 new cases reported yesterday on the back of large scale testing. I think we may have a slight increase today as testing has ramped up even further. NSW found 5 new cases yesterday (reported today) but that was from more than 4000 tests so a 0.15% positive rate.

We are close to eradication as most cases are known/contained but we aren't quite there yet. Restrictions are going to be very slightly reduced over the next month but subject to the infection rate.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Yeah mate mine is exactly the same. Also gives me a decent lump sum when I reach 67 (at the moment, will probably go up in age before my time). Costs a fair few bob every paycheck but at least I know my kids will either a) get a few quid as a gift when I retire and I can feck off with their mum on a tour of the Pacific for six months, or b) will get a lump sum to give them some financial security if I pop my clogs before that happens.

Obviously it's an exceptional case and we're both very fortunate to be able to get it. Should go without saying but you know.
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It's a nice piece of mind, mate I hope I'm wrong but I can see b) working out for me, can't imagine myself reaching retirement age to be honest. :lol:
 
Judging by the speech outside Downing Street it looks like we're finally going to have a grown up conversation about what comes next.

The current lockdown isn't long for this world. I'd think we'll see a significant relaxation when the next review comes in early May, maybe some goodies given out this week but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
 
jymufc20 said:
Well, you jinxed that one didn't you ?
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Apparently is something that had been observed in other countries. They are still the lower age risk

But yeah, anyway is just a theory
 
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I know of one doctor personally who has committed suicide and have heard of another health care worker that also has while all this is going on. Hard to know what is going on in their personal lives and may not be related to covid but makes you think.
 
Wibble said:
@Revan has been making much the same point on here for a while.
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Short version of the thread? I’m assuming it’s along the lines of other coronavirus strains have either been a) very mild And I handful or b) harmful but not infectious and hence no viable motivation for a vaccine? But now we have harmful and infectious hence a viable reason to develop one?
 
rpitroda said:
Short version of the thread? I’m assuming it’s along the lines of other coronavirus strains have either been a) very mild And I handful or b) harmful but not infectious and hence no viable motivation for a vaccine? But now we have harmful and infectious hence a viable reason to develop one?
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Yep, no point in being proactive or preemptive instead wait until the proverbial hits the fan......
 
rpitroda said:
Short version of the thread? I’m assuming it’s along the lines of other coronavirus strains have either been a) very mild And I handful or b) harmful but not infectious and hence no viable motivation for a vaccine? But now we have harmful and infectious hence a viable reason to develop one?
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Short version - vaccine wasnt made because there was no point in investing in trials for vaccines for illnesses thst were either mild or eradicated. He also claims it is easier to develop than a flu vaccine.
 
Suedesi said:
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Wibble said:
@Revan has been making much the same point on here for a while.
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rpitroda said:
Short version of the thread? I’m assuming it’s along the lines of other coronavirus strains have either been a) very mild And I handful or b) harmful but not infectious and hence no viable motivation for a vaccine? But now we have harmful and infectious hence a viable reason to develop one?
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The main gist of his argument is that is that all that the pharma/biotech industry needs is enough of a financial incenctive and they can develop a vaccine against anything. Which is the mentality you’d expect from an investor.

I don’t think he’s right though. What about RSV? RSV is a virus that kills babies, so there’s an enormous incentive to create a vaccine and we’ve been trying for decades. But no joy yet. The closest we’ve got is injecting high risk babies with an actual antibody.

I also think he’s ignoring the challenges in veterinary medicine to create coronavirus vaccines. Dogs and cats still die from coronavirus all the time. A coronavirus killed my best friend’s cat last month! There have been some successful coronavirus vaccines developed for animals but a lot of failures too. Totally outside my field of expertise but I posted a thread a while back from a virologist who said that the one and only long term success in animal coronaviruses was to treat chickens. Meanwhile, farm mammals and domestic pets are still getting infected all the time.

Would love to hear from a vet on this:

@Beagle
 
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FireballXL5 said:
Yep, and it didn't really say anything that we didn't already know.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52440641

And at 11am this morning you will see just how fecking cynical the Tories are.
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True. But there are some people in denial about the governments poor response, it might be a wake up call?

Although I agree, at 11am the Tories wil probably use their daily briefing to smear, discredit and spin against the facts.
 
Well, I was hoping that we'd be able to leave our village for shopping after May 4th, but our Mayor has just said we can't! I'm fairly sure that Conte's announcement allowed us to travel within the region, as long as it was for one of the allowed reasons (shopping, medical visits, work).
 
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