Not the worst analogy. General public more likely to get behind rhetoric to be honest than anything else.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Not the worst analogy. General public more likely to get behind rhetoric to be honest than anything else.
Its a fecking laughable analogy.
It's a terrible analogy as it is literal two non analogous situations which defeats the point of an analogy. The general public would be served better with more leadership and less rhetoric and I don't believe that, generally, the public only relate to meaningless soundbites.
To be fair, the majority of this country voted for an election campaign that literally consisted of a soundbite, on repeat.
It doesn't surprise me at all that the PM is adopting this type of approach, it works for him.
Ive read an article today stating that in UK 73% of COVID patients in intensive care are overweight and 83% are overweight in France. That’s a large overrepresentation if numbers are correct. Any UK and France posters can confirm?
Further this also give a hope that 3rd world countries will handle COVID better due to less overweight (not so much UK and US)
Further this also give a hope that 3rd world countries will handle COVID better due to less overweight (not so much UK and US)
Oh great, Tesco Value Trump is back to save us
I've read similar a few times I think. The virus is most lethal for seriously unwell people and being obese is a sign of being seriously unwell.
I remember a while back, a paper showed pictures of someone in their early 30s I think who was "healthy with no underlying conditions" and without wishing to sound insensitive, one look at the person and you were "yeah, right". The individual looked over 20 stone in weight - no official underlying condistions maybe, but a very unhealthy individual whose body is not going to fight off illness.
Collected the oximeter today. Checked with the healthy kids and myself first, normal readings: heart rate of 67-75 and SPO2 of 98%-100% (my 7 year old son won that one with the max score).
Checked my ill daughter and her heart rate is 108-112 with SPO2 of 99. Wife around the same. The high resting heart rate is expected for a person with an infection or virus. Thankfully they don't need oxygenating despite the various covid symptoms and daughter's chest pain.
Out of interest, what percentage of the UK is classed as overweight? I imagine its quite high.
"We defied so many predictions" was another Trump line.
They're desperate to spin their handling as a success and it comes across so poorly and misjudged given its against a backdrop of actual deaths.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/375886/adult-s-body-mass-index-by-gender-and-age-in-england/
The problem is a lot of our population is overweight. According to that the mean BMI is something like 25 which would classify you as overweight.
Maybe hold off opening the schools just yet, eh?
BMI calculations in this country are ridiculous. I'm BMI of 29ish, considered overweight, but wear size 32" trousers without struggling. Figure that one out.
Good to hear.
cant bloody get one over here. All sold out.
Cheap ones on amazon don’t deliver to Ireland so considering whether to pay €80 for one that will
You're a minority for who it isn't representative. People who carry above average muscle mass obviously fall out of its range, but it works pretty well for most people who for example don't work out.
Trouser size also not representative of waist size, if you hoik your gut up over your trouser waistband before fastening your trousers.
Anyone else signed up to the vaccine trial? I got the screening invite but am having second thoughts
It really is time BMI was replaced with a better indicator. My perfect weight is about 75kg, I'd barely have the strength to stand if i actually was that.
I got it from Argos, they seem to have plenty of cheap ones in stock (£20ish). Delivery times are ridiculous so I opted for the pay and collect, only took two days. 80 euros sounds high if you already know your breathing is fine.
There is no perfect weight though? It's just a range. According to the chart I looked up, my range is from 68.2kg through to 88.6kg to be classed as healthy. I've pretty much covered that range since I stopped growing - I was a 70-72kg 16 year old and now I'm 26 and weigh around 82-84kg.
Yes I've read that in France, 83%. I was going to post it a week or two ago but would need stats for over 60s rather than the country as a whole. My impression is most in that age are on the large side then there's the argued classification body index and so forth I wonder if that stat gets less important if most happen to be deemed "overweight" rather than many other things deteriorating with age.
That's a really interesting image and article.https://www.sfgate.com/news/article...-but-Not-All-in-a-15214321.php#photo-19310196
Interesting article about a restaurant in China showing how it spread to those on the next table or two but not anywhere else. Eating, talking, laughing in the close confines indoors, like at your home with your friend round for hours is I think a major transmission. Communal areas in old people homes is sure to be a big risk with many coughing and the windows closed during March. We see on the droplet videos how simple ventilation can very quickly make all the airborne droplets leave or drop down. I think more should be done to tell people who risk having people round or large families rather than a month of washing hands and phones videos. UK also has some of the smallest homes in Europe on average.
In a way it's reassuring that tables D, E, F seem to be outside the problem area. It gives hope that social distancing can work even as normal life starts to resume. Unfortunately the bad news is that most people are missing their (not immediate household) family/friends and it's a reminder that it's exactly those people we put at risk if we act on those feelings.
It would be great to see more of these "how people actually got infected" stories though - unfortunately that relies on analysis of individual incidents with known single sources, and the UK has already gone far past that point. Maybe places like NZ, where individual contact tracing now looks possible, will be able to tell us more. Otherwise, we are waiting for something to spin out of one of these big smartphone driven models, which may takes months.
Perfect = middle of the range.
My range is 64 to 87kg. When I was playing semi pro football and as fit as i have ever been i was 87-88kg. Now i'm 90kg. I honestly don't think i could function properly at 64kg.
I used to have yearly health checks and every time the doctor would complain about having to use BMI measurements.
Unfortunately to get around GDPR these apps are not going to use GPS, so it's going to be almost impossible to figure out where people were when they were in contact with positive patients.
BMI isn’t about landing in the middle of the range. It’s only intended to pick up people outside the normal range entirely. As a screening tool it’s still pretty useful.
Yeah that’s why I’ve resisted. Literally can’t get them over here, tried medical stores, Argos, boots, amazon etc
well whatever you want to call it I don’t get why it’a a problem. Not my style but it’s not like using a soundbite is gonna change anything.
Depends what they mean by overweight though. If the Uk is reporting based off the NHS graph then I would be deemed “overweight” yet I workout 5x a week and eat a healthy, plant and fish based diet, medium T-shirt and 34 waist. I am 6ft 0 and 14st 5lbs (93kg). My maximum weight to fall in the healthy range is 13st 3 and I have been that weight before and was painfully thin. That was during my low body fat chasing phase where I was trying to get down to Pro athlete level fat ranges.
Is there an alternative to BMI?
My weight range is so far off possible for me it's untrue. Even at the high end of the range I look far too skinny and frail, so at best I'd always be considered overweight.
My weight range is so far off possible for me it's untrue. Even at the high end of the range I look far too skinny and frail, so at best I'd always be considered overweight.
I think one of the problems is the current norm for what is healthy/ideal male body is fairly new. Before even the last 10 years, you wouldn't find many people in the gym, trying to actively build muscle and put on mass by overconsuming . So it's not surprising, a test made over 50 years ago fails on you.
In fact, for a large percentage of our history we were running around on long hunts. Those people were probably on the lower end of the BMI range and I don't think you can say they were unhealthy.
Decades of target driven education have lead to this. Critical thinking is harder to measure so is not sufficiently encouraged in schools.
Idiocracy in action.
Bodyfat percentage. Problem is, all of them have their own problems with repeatability. I think DEXA scan is the most reliable but even then things like water/salt consumption can mess with the results I think.
I think you're better off just looking in the mirror. If you don't have a protruding belly and/or man-boobs you're probably okay.
13st at 6ft is painfully thin? I'm 6ft and just a tad over 11st and while I'm not overly muscly, I wouldn't consider myself thinner than painfully thin.
I love how the BMI discussion always, without fail, will make people lose their minds 
It's obviously not the only metric you should look at. For some people it's quite inaccurate(mainly people who are unusually broad or muscular).
On the flip-side, there are suspiciously many people who claim that they are the exception. I've seen what people consider "way too skinny" and "frail", and most of the examples look like perfectly healthy people to me. Over the last decades we've pushed the boundary for what is considered "normal" way too far.
It's obviously not the only metric you should look at. For some people it's quite inaccurate(mainly people who are unusually broad or muscular).
On the flip-side, there are suspiciously many people who claim that they are the exception. I've seen what people consider "way too skinny" and "frail", and most of the examples look like perfectly healthy people to me. Over the last decades we've pushed the boundary for what is considered "normal" way too far.
I’m calling bollox on that. I’m 6’ 2” and exactly 13 stone. I’m definitely not “painfully thin”. Maybe when I was in my teens. When I was about 2 stone lighter.
I love how the BMI discussion always, without fail, will make people lose their minds
It's obviously not the only metric you should look at. For some people, it's quite inaccurate(mainly people who are unusually broad or muscular).
On the flip-side, there are suspiciously many people who claim that they are the exception. I've seen what people consider "way too skinny" and "frail", and most of the examples look like perfectly healthy people to me. Over the last decades we've pushed the boundary for what is considered "normal" way too far.
It doesn't work very well for certain ethnicities irrespective of training or being muscular. "Normal" in one isn't necessarily "Normal" in another.
Good to have a doctor on my side
Bit OT but are you on digital spy Frank? Seen a poster with same username having it out with a few members on there about the strategy going forward.
Your comment made me think about bushmen, I wouldn't keep up with them for more than 48 hours. From a functional standpoint they are way healthier than most of us, they can actually do physically demanding activities day after day.
350 is today's death toll, 329 (England), 13 (Scotland) and 8 (Wales). No number for NI.
Lowest in ages. But obviously, it's the Monday report so will be lower as usual, expecting a jump again tomorrow.....hopefully not as big as last week's. Would be good if we could continue to report lower lows and lower highs each week, as seems to be the trend (albeit very small differences).
Lowest in ages. But obviously, it's the Monday report so will be lower as usual, expecting a jump again tomorrow.....hopefully not as big as last week's. Would be good if we could continue to report lower lows and lower highs each week, as seems to be the trend (albeit very small differences).