SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

CassiusClaymore said:
One of my friends posted that video on Facebook over the weekend. Didn't sit right with me that they were extrapolating clearly bias data.
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It's elementary. Up until a few weeks ago, you couldn't get tested, period. Then, you had to wait in line for hours to get one of the few thousand tests a site would administer on any given day. So right there, there's huge bias in the sample population.

If the testing increases dramatically, yes I may become more amenable to "extrapolating" numbers and drawing conclusions, but as it is, I don't think so.
 
Revan said:
Same in Kosovo (probably cause the educational system is similar). One of my best friends was a medical student (now a doctor) and so I used to know many students who were studying medicine. Most of them absolutely sucked at math, to the point of being math challenged on anything that was more complicated than simple arithmetics. Many of them sucked at English too. However, all of them had this insane ability of being able to study in the library for 12-16 hours per day. They could memorize books with a thousand of pages, but totally unable to do a percentage or an equation with two unknowns.
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Haha so true about the memorization and studying in the library for 12-16 hours a day. I became friendly with lots of them at Yale as they used to throw insane parties.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Hang on. Might owe you an apology. What’s your position here?

That the Nobel fella from Japan believes it’s man made?

Feel I may have the wrong end of the stick.
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To be fair to him, there's also Luc Montagnier who claimed the same. I can't pretend to understand the science at any level these Nobel (Noble as Trump would say) fellas do, so I would just maintain a healthy dose of skepticism on this debate.



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Dumbstar said:
As we only understand about 20% of this virus talking about a vaccine or cure is too premature.
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Additional information and detail is very welcome and will assist treatment of the disease and potentially help develop drugs as well. However, none of the information in that article helps or hinders the development of a vaccine. A vaccine is really what we need the most so lets hope we manage to produce one.

I hope your daughter gets better soon. 6 weeks is a long time to be sick with anything but the stress for all involved knowing it is Covid must be hard to cope with. Nothing much I can say that will be a practical help but I'm sure you know the Caf is here if you need to vent or just listen. Good luck.
 
Really low deaths today.. probably the lowest in weeks. Sundays are low, but this is quite a bit lower than the recent weeks .
 
prateik said:
Really low deaths today.. probably the lowest in weeks. Sundays are low, but this is quite a bit lower than the recent weeks .
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But we did have a very high sat, so probably balances out over the 2 days compared with last week?
 
Suedesi said:
To be fair to him, there's also Luc Montagnier who claimed the same. I can't pretend to understand the science at any level these Nobel (Noble as Trump would say) fellas do, so I would just maintain a healthy dose of skepticism on this debate.



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Luke Montagier is now a total nutter. He believes in all sorts of impossible stuff like homeopathic dilution.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
No mate. What you SHOULD hope is people don't get sick and die and that things gradually get better. What good would it possibly do if those people got sick and died? All it would do is stroke your ego when you say 'I told you so'. Extremely transparent
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I think he means fined, not sick or dead.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
6weeks?
The more I hear about this, the more I'm convinced this is a man made virus. I'm starting to think it's accidentally escaped from a lab. It's 'too perfect'. It's unpredictable, undetectable for long enough to make it lethally contagious and it doesn't seem to behave like other viruses of its ilk
It feels 'tampered with' to me.
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I think I'd prefer science to you feelings.

It is not possible that this was made in the Wuhan lab as per the conspiracy theory that is going around. The virus they have in the lab is the same as that in a wild popuation if bats has but that isn't the direct source of SARS-CoV-2. There has been between 20 and 50 years of virus evolution, at least of some of which will have been in an intermediate host such as (possibly) a pangolin, and therefore the lab can't be the source of SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opin...professor-edward-holmes-sars-cov-2-virus.html

The other factor is that genetic engineering occurs at single points whereas the SARS-CoV-2 virus shows changes all over the genome. So again it can't be a lab made virus.
 
Wibble said:
Luke Montagier is now a total nutter. He believes in all sorts of impossible stuff like homeopathic dilution.
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He def doesn't sound mainstream that's for sure - however given his pedigree I had to listen to his interview. Can't claim to understand the intricacies of the field, so I'm not passing judgment on the merits of the argument.
 
In case anyone missed it Tasuku Honjo DID NOT say SARS-CoV-2 was man made. Invented bullshit and Luc Montagnier may well once have been a respected scientist but he has gone full tin foil hat in recent decades. He is a joke to his peers.
 
Suedesi said:
He def doesn't sound mainstream that's for sure - however given his pedigree I had to listen to his interview. Can't claim to understand the intricacies of the field, so I'm not passing judgment on the merits of the argument.
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He is mad as a bag of squirrels. If he told you it was dark outside at midnight I'd advise having a look out to double check.

Montagnier argued that the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic was man-made in China and was the result of an attempt to create a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. His allegation came after the United States had launched a probe into whether the virus came from a laboratory. According to Montagnier, the "presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally." However this was described as "a conspiracy vision that does not relate to the real science" by Jean-Francois Delfraissy, an immunologist and head of the scientific council that advises the French government on the COVID-19 pandemic
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And malaria is a parasite not a virus which would make combining genes from each utterly pointless and probably fatally destructive for the virus. And even if not why would malaria genes have any effect on HIV at all?

It is pure fantasy that only exists in this bloke's head.
 
Wibble said:
He is mad as a bag of squirrels. If he told you it was dark outside at midnight I'd advise having a look out to double check.



And malaria is a parasite not a virus which would make combining genes from each utterly pointless and probably fatally destructive for the virus. And even if not why would malaria genes have any effect on HIV at all?

It is pure fantasy that only exists in this bloke's head.
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Malaria, hydroxychloroquine ... it all makes sense now.

Probably not.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Massive pinch of salt. Vast majority of people want their lives back. Where are they taking these polls then? Because I and nobody I know has received any kind of questionairre on this at any point. So if they are taking opinions, how are they doing it? If it's via survey then they targeting this survey at a specific group of people not everyone because nobody I know in working class Wales has received any kind of question about this.
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Are you serious?!?
 
berbatrick said:
A little old, but quite a mini-scandal
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Now is not the time to politicise a very real tragedy.....or something. So let's all enjoy the boost Boris gave us yesterday, clap once a week for NHS staff who we can't even be bothered to pay and protect properly, and just let the govt. get on with doing a shit job without any scrutiny whatsoever.
 
Wibble said:
I think he is.

Why would anyone be surprised that the majority of people were worried about coming out of the restrictions too fast when the UK is so far from being in control of the situation?
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It was more the ‘They haven’t asked me so the survey is hokey’ that got me.
 
berbatrick said:
A little old, but quite a mini-scandal
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I posted that a few days ago and the trouble is the guy hasn't backed up his claim of there being another 127 accounts. He's only posted evidence of one which he says he can trace back to the government which he hasn't posted evidence of either.

The state of his feed afterwards doesn't exactly help him either. Guy needs to tak a minute away from social media for his mental health.
 
Stanley Road said:
Then suck up the consequences. Im happy to do it.
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It’s not about being happy to do it, just having the fecking grip on your willpower to be able to do the necessary thing for a while.

We all know covid-19 is serious but feck me, the people whinging about lockdown have been my biggest bug bare throughout this thing. They started almost immediately. Like toddlers.

2 of my friends parents who live approx 75 meters from my front door were hospitalised with the virus, tested positive and were very ill, still haven’t fully recovered. Thankfully both pulled through but I have other friends who have done nothing but whinge about the restrictions. Sending me WhatsApp messages just saying ‘bored :( ‘ and crap like that. Feck off and sort yourself out.

I know there’s people out there that will be badly affected by lockdown, I get it, but the vast majority of people could suck it up easily but a few are just too twatty minded to do it.

The village I live in has a really close community and a large % of elderly residents. We have all been doing our bit, helping out with shopping, staying in, ringing elderly neighbours, leaving communal gates open and other things. What’s the point if 100’s of people descend on the village over the weekend because it’s sunny and they’ve ‘decided’ they don’t need to lockdown anymore? Infuriating.

Rant over.
 
Wibble said:
I think he is.

Why would anyone be surprised that the majority of people were worried about coming out of the restrictions too fast when the UK is so far from being in control of the situation?
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Its also why opening up shops etc right now is a waste of time when the majority of people are too wary of the virus to come out in enough numbers to kickstart the econony.
The public needs confidence that the virus is under control
 
cyberman said:
Its also why opening up shops etc right now is a waste of time when the majority of people are too wary of the virus to come out in enough numbers to kickstart the econony.
The public needs confidence that the virus is under control
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Not too sure about that. Yesterday I drove past The Range near me and the queues outside were crazy with about 50 people plus waiting to get in. No way should that have been left open during the lockdown.
 
Only 1300 new cases and 100 deaths in Germany yesterday. Next few days should be interesting as around Easter two weeks ago mobility started to increase significantly. Walking around town, you almost wouldn't notice we were in the midst of a global pandemic with the parks being packed and the shops being open and restaurants and bars offering take aways. Though the vast majority of people outside are younger than 40 so there might not be a spike in new positive tests.
 
Port Vale Devil said:
Not too sure about that. Yesterday I drove past The Range near me and the queues outside were crazy with about 50 people plus waiting to get in. No way should that have been left open during the lockdown.
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But that wont be everywhere. I expect golf courses to be full with time on peoples hands and you can social distance in the open, i dont see why theyre even closed down. Id go out tomorrow for a round if I could and I take Corona seriously.
I can only use anecdotal evidence but i live on a main street and the shops that are open arent busy at all. One is a bakery that was always packed and they only have 2 or 3 in a line at any given time with a 2 in, 2 out policy.
My GF works in a shop and her hours were cut before the lockdown because the fear kept customers away, the boss ended up offering home deliveries.
If the shops around me arent busy and theyre allowed to stay open, I just cant see how opening up more will attract greater crowds. Its not as if the government wont hammer home the dangers of Corona when they lessen restrictions, the same people respecting the virus will be the same people continuing to do so when Sports Direct opens up down the road.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Only 1300 new cases and 100 deaths in Germany yesterday. Next few days should be interesting as around Easter two weeks ago mobility started to increase significantly. Walking around town, you almost wouldn't notice we were in the midst of a global pandemic with the parks being packed and the shops being open and restaurants and bars offering take aways. Though the vast majority of people outside are younger than 40 so there might not be a spike in new positive tests.
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Good interview of one of Merkel’s key advisors in all of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview
 
Port Vale Devil said:
Not too sure about that. Yesterday I drove past The Range near me and the queues outside were crazy with about 50 people plus waiting to get in. No way should that have been left open during the lockdown.
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This is just ridiculous - because they sell a few crisps and snacks and pet food they were allowed to stay open. but near us there is a pet shop next door to a "range" and they were told to take things like electric clippers off the shelves and only sell food, not dog toys. You do wonder what the level of knowledge is amongst those enforcing these rules. Sainsbury's have been really good, but Aldi has been awful.

A nearby Aldi was letting people put their used trolleys away...then letting other people grab a trolley while they queue to get in...then at the door a staff member was spraying the handle with disinfectant and wiping it dry with the same micro-fibre cloth on each trolley! This was bad enough but they then started trying to enforce that people had to have a trolley to go in! I refused to take one and was initially denied entry. So I asked to see the Manager and when the staff member went to get them I went in anyway but observed proper social distancing.

If they had been properly sterilised I wouldn't have minded, but as they were actively cross contaminating each trolley I refused as my wife has a suppressed immune system. This is why I fear a relaxation of the rules, because the government hasn't been specific enough and it has often been poorly implemented.
 
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