SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I dont believe this lockdown will be good enough in it's current form. My local town seems busy still. It also has big signs up saying 'Check in on your 5 nearest neighbour's'
'Let's get Frome covered'

Yea i am seeing a lot of people out chatting to each other when i was cycling today. I am based in ireland.
 
The longer you wait to implement a 'lockdown' the longer it will take for the daily deaths to come down to that lower level. The UK waited until the last moment possible and now will have to pay for it, by being locked down for longer if it wants to get those daily deaths down to the 2-300s.

Theres a two week lag on care home deaths which went up significantly in the past couple of weeks too. The death rate will stay high because those will be added In the next couple of weeks.

I think new hospital admissions would be the one to look at now but I’m not sure if that available.

edit: found hospital admissions up to the 22nd which have been falling since the 3rd April but rose a little in the last 2 days of this chart.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ile/880848/COVID19_Weekly_Report_22_April.pdf


Doesn’t stop them getting the ferry to Ireland at Easter

They could have Irish passports.
 
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Just stumbled across this on YouTube which I found interesting in itself but thst then prompted me to look on www.flightradar24.com and I was amazed by the number of planes still in the air right now.


I don't know why but this video really makes me realize how big this is. Air traffic is the embodiment of globalism and capitalism but for the most part it has stopped for almost a month now.
 
500 people demonstrating against current restrictions and for constitutional rights in Stuttgart today. The city tried to ban it but Germany's Supreme Court overruled them. A general ban on demonstrations had been lifted and the country has seen a number of (mostly small) rallies this week about all sorts of things.

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This according to Michael Osterholm is just the first wave of four or five waves till it goes away, either through a vaccine or 70% of people get infected.
 
Pritti doing a lot of blaming the public today. Distraction tactics.

Shes got a point.

Do the public really need to have a close family member die to take this seriously? The big countries in Europe all recognised the seriousness early on and people didnt need to be told to keep their distance. In the UK people have not slowed down anywhere near as much as those other countries - this data is available now. I dont understand why people cant take responsibility instead of blaming the government for every little thing.

The attitude feels closer to the US than to Europe. People like Katie Hopkins saying we are overreacting in the press...and being listened to by some. In Europe she would not even be given a platform.
 
The UK populace has entered states of isolation and has restricted access to usual services. So yes, it is.

Not if people attempt to compare the UK to anywhere else.

The reason the rates are still so high is because there is no lockdown.

Spain and Italy have seen large reductions in cases as their measures to beat infection rates were better.

The UK is a shitshow of bad information, poor leadership and loosely followed orders.
 
I am no longer concerned with when the vaccine will be available because, as things stand, the majority of people in Serbia will refuse to get it an will start a civil war if it is made mandatory.

So great to be living in the enlightenment of the 21st century.
 
Stopped by my mum's to check on her because she hasn't been answering her phone or responding to texts for the last 2 days and didn't have any neighbour's phone numbers. She's fine, she's lost her bloody phone. But her neighbours were in their back garden having a booze up with their extended family. Got back to my house and our neighbours were just getting in their car all dressed up clutching a couple of bottles of plonk. Folk are bloody muppets.
 
Stopped by my mum's to check on her because she hasn't been answering her phone or responding to texts for the last 2 days and didn't have any neighbour's phone numbers. She's fine, she's lost her bloody phone. But her neighbours were in their back garden having a booze up with their extended family. Got back to my house and our neighbours were just getting in their car all dressed up clutching a couple of bottles of plonk. Folk are bloody muppets.

I saw a bellend family friend doing similar on instagram. 10 mins later I tried to show someone and noticed the person had deleted their story. Absolute idiots.
 
Shes got a point.

Do the public really need to have a close family member die to take this seriously? The big countries in Europe all recognised the seriousness early on and people didnt need to be told to keep their distance. In the UK people have not slowed down anywhere near as much as those other countries - this data is available now. I dont understand why people cant take responsibility instead of blaming the government for every little thing.

The attitude feels closer to the US than to Europe. People like Katie Hopkins saying we are overreacting in the press...and being listened to by some. In Europe she would not even be given a platform.

The public can’t influence things like PPE, the amount of testing being done, airports being open without screening, not shutting down sporting events quick enough. Blaming the public is a weird angle to take. There’s always going to be people that don’t listen, but in no way is that as serious as the issues I mentioned.
 
Shes got a point.

Do the public really need to have a close family member die to take this seriously? The big countries in Europe all recognised the seriousness early on and people didnt need to be told to keep their distance. In the UK people have not slowed down anywhere near as much as those other countries - this data is available now. I dont understand why people cant take responsibility instead of blaming the government for every little thing.

The attitude feels closer to the US than to Europe. People like Katie Hopkins saying we are overreacting in the press...and being listened to by some. In Europe she would not even be given a platform.

Are you fking serious? Our PM boasted on live TV about shaking the hands of infected people!

Where was the leadership? The responsibility once deemed essential for a position such as his? He spent the first weeks talking about flu. His stupidity landed him in hospital and there can be no doubt at all, also contributed to the blase attitude of too many people. Mixed messages, bad planning and politicking from the top have caused many unnecessary deaths.

Today was bad even for Patel. Disgusting stuff from the tories again and again.
 
That was really overblown by people losing their shit on social media. There was a journalist tweeting from the ferry ports that weekend and he said 90% of the vehicles getting off were freight and the rest were Irish people coming home from the UK.
I heard first hand from a few reliable people that parts of cork had English reg cars and caravans everywhere and Donegal was the same. Surely if we want to be serious we stop that non essential travel?
 
I am no longer concerned with when the vaccine will be available because, as things stand, the majority of people in Serbia will refuse to get it an will start a civil war if it is made mandatory.

So great to be living in the enlightenment of the 21st century.
the vaccine will be for people who are older or have weakened immune systems, it's probably going to take a while before we can even think about the global rollout that would be needed for your average serb to get it
 
It's just a hypothesis but I've been thinking the same sort of thing for a couple of months now (I smoke so I am biased)

Smokers may suffer less from covid19 due to the virus attacking the same receptors that nicotine attach to.
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/581

France has also banned sales of nicotine replacement treatments
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...ine-substitutes-smoker-study-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

You can find studies for everything, I'd take them with a pinch of salt.

What they meant by studies is probably a small and untested observations on a very limited samples.
 
Tata Steel saying they need £500 Million support from the government due to losing orders because of coronavirus. That's a lot of pennies for one business but it's also 8,000 employees.
 
the vaccine will be for people who are older or have weakened immune systems, it's probably going to take a while before we can even think about the global rollout that would be needed for your average serb to get it

I am aware of that, this was not my point.
 
Tata Steel saying they need £500 Million support from the government due to losing orders because of coronavirus. That's a lot of pennies for one business but it's also 8,000 employees.

Wasn't they on the verge of collapse beforehand ?
 
That's where I'm at, as well. I'm not seeing this mass groups of idiots breaking the social distancing guidelines. If anything, I'm conscious that a large number of older people and people with other health conditions (but not in the government notified "highest risk" group) - have decided the "don't leave the house for 12 weeks" guidance applies to them as well.

What I'm also personally aware of is the impact on my family and friends. Two of whom died late March/early April - pre lockdown infections.

But two have died this week - in both cases they were getting treatment (one as a cancer outpatient, the other admitted after a stroke). In both cases they almost certainly picked up the virus at the hospital - as they really hadn't been anywhere or seen anyone from outside the household except in hospital.

As I'm an optimist I actually hope that means we'll see the numbers decline soon - as staff recover and become (hopefully) immune. And of course as PPE and procedures catch up with the challenge of how to support people who need to go to hospital with a serious condition, but who are now immensely vulnerable to an even quicker killer.

Yeah well that's one of the main factors being conveniently ignored at the moment...the main way this will be spreading now is via hospitals and people needing treatment. It's not only one of the main places where social distancing doesn't apply but it's the one place where you can guarantee the virus always is...so at this point the lack of PPE is actually quite fundamental to the whole problem. I'd be willing to guess it's one of the main factors in why the numbers haven't declined as much as they should have yet. It's the most logical and scientific explanation available.

Basically one or more person in the government is responsible for a LOT of people dying who didn't need to. We've heard from various people now that PPE and testing equipment was offered to the government at various different stages. THere are Universities who've even been offering to make it for free, and the government just hasn't bothered pulling it's finger out. So it makes me really angry to see some moron MP blaming literally the entire country, when literally everyone one of us either through choice or not has made huge lifestyle changes and sacrifices. The irony is that even if people aren't listening, it's because they don't trust the government enough to listen to them



This sort of thing annoys me too. Why are the police patrolling acres of empty forest land? Even if they find some random wandering about, what harm are they doing? They're wandering about in the middle of nowhere which means one less person wandering about in a built up area where it's harder to avoid each other. Surely they should be concentrating purely on areas where there can actually be a build up of people? Yet I've seen no sign of them on my runs or when getting shopping. I genuinely don't get how people's brains work.
 
Screwfix have been open all through this. Click and Collect only. Orderly spaced queuing strictly enforced. They've been brilliant. Well, the Royton one anyway.
B & Q here have operated that way I think. Order online as Click and Collect, except the things are brought out to your car.
 
He seems a bit of an attention seeker?

I like him. He has been pretty spot on on many things, without sugarcoating stuff.

- He has been warning for a pandemic for a long time, also specifically what i would look like if it started in China, and he nailed it pretty much.
- He has been warning about outsourcing medical supplies to china.
- He warned about worldwide shortage of IV bags due to 85%of the saline was made in a town in Puerto Rico. It happened.
- He said early on 800,000 deaths in the US with mitigations, and one month has given 50k deaths, there are 12-18 months left.

I have not seen him make a fool out of himself and he has been trying to wake up the world for many years now.
Maybe he is an attention seeker, with good reason though, but for me he is a guy that is credible and trustworthy, and is very good at explaining the science to us mere humans :)
 
This according to Michael Osterholm is just the first wave of four or five waves till it goes away, either through a vaccine or 70% of people get infected.
What is a wave? Find the definition confusing. There’s already loads of people saying it’s not going to abate during summer, otherwise we wouldn’t even have the disease spread in countries like India. So there’ll be just one extended continuous death toll. What am I not understanding?
 
That's where I'm at, as well. I'm not seeing this mass groups of idiots breaking the social distancing guidelines. If anything, I'm conscious that a large number of older people and people with other health conditions (but not in the government notified "highest risk" group) - have decided the "don't leave the house for 12 weeks" guidance applies to them as well.

What I'm also personally aware of is the impact on my family and friends. Two of whom died late March/early April - pre lockdown infections.

But two have died this week - in both cases they were getting treatment (one as a cancer outpatient, the other admitted after a stroke). In both cases they almost certainly picked up the virus at the hospital - as they really hadn't been anywhere or seen anyone from outside the household except in hospital.

As I'm an optimist I actually hope that means we'll see the numbers decline soon - as staff recover and become (hopefully) immune. And of course as PPE and procedures catch up with the challenge of how to support people who need to go to hospital with a serious condition, but who are now immensely vulnerable to an even quicker killer.

Sorry jojojo meant to say aswell that I'm sorry to hear about your friends and family. I don't know anyone who's died from it yet but do know one or two who've been quite seriously ill and luckily recovered.