But his point is that it will not just be the idiots. The virus is so easily spread and doesn't discriminate the idiots from those trying to do the right thing.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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But his point is that it will not just be the idiots. The virus is so easily spread and doesn't discriminate the idiots from those trying to do the right thing.
This seems the most likely situation for me, too. Severe cases will become rarer and it will be down to whether someone is seriously ill anyway that determines how lethal it is, which is still mostly the case now. It's still the vast majority of casualties are suffering from serious underlying health problems anyway, the 'healthy young victim' is still exactly what it is - a very sad, unfortunate fluke.
Haven't seen any daily figures yet today, thought it was usually around 2pm they came out.
Exactly that.
There is so much that we don't understand about this virus. It is going to challenge us for a long time yet.
In those very famous words... This isn't the end, or even the beginning of the end. But it may be the end of the beginning.
So true and so appropriate. Because we are in a war against it and it is winning having taken 200,000 of us already.
Ah yes, horny handed son of the soil that I am. Hang on, I'm a lifelong pen-pusher really. Just got 95 again, so it is consistent at any rate, which is all we're looking for anyway really, so all's well I suppose.
781 deaths today in U.K.
Yup. Consistency is key. Just need to park that ego!
I consider myself relatively fit, think my score was 93 or 94 the other day, down to 91 today.
Edit: gotta say mine is only a Samsung health thing on the galaxy S10 so probably not too accurate. Think it's worth doing it at different times during the day to get an average tbh
COVID-19 Cases, Deaths and New Deaths 1 week avg, normalized by country population
Might be asking a bit much but can that site do New York State and then also US minus New York?
Over 800 again in UK on a Saturday, hard to talk about relaxing restrictions, although they don't seem to be helping here. ~5k new cases every day for 20 days, Italy drop down a lot every 5 days to 3k in this time. UK 15 days in and no significant drops in deaths from the peak. Other hard hit countries 6-7 days to reach the 400-600 range after a peak of 900+. We've just gone lethally sideways for a month. Spain/Italy have had stricter lockdowns note.
5th country to pass 20k
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We've been in lockdown for 30 days, and yet the numbers dying is still in the 800s.
I've said this before but it's because it's not a lockdown. It's too relaxed. I still know so many people who dont think it's a big deal.
Wuhan literally bolted people in their houses and it took them 6 weeks to get it under control. Italy has been a step below that and almost 2 months later is just about confident the peak is behind them. The UK will take much longer as long as everybody takes their hour (and the rest) exercise every day and nobody is around to enforce the rules on people who ignore them.
Surely letting people travel from country to country doesn't help. All the borders should be shut and no flight should be allowed unless for supplies.
In Norway the also relaxed lockdown works, but maybe the reason can be the numbers of infected before the lockdown? Since your govt tested so few, I guess that might be the case. Italy also took long before the numbers went down. I guess that you will see effects in a week or two. You will not eradicate the virus but you will propably get the RO pretty low. Also, of course pop. density means a lot. I do think your lockdown is pretty similar to ours. But we are a smaller nation of course.
Norway is also very different in its population density and how they are spread out. The UK and Italy are fairly similar.
Pritti Patel doing another press conference (popcorn at the ready).
It really doesn't feel like the UK is winning. Supposed peak was meant to be the 8th of April and we have only got just under 100 less dying over 2 weeks later.
You are not allowed to travel from country to country.
My sister and nephew had a weekend in Rome on 15/16 Feb (10 weeks ago), when things were happening in China but not in European countries. I was a bit concerned at the time that they were making the trip, but not unduly so.
They had their temperatures taken when they got off the plane in Rome, which she was surprised about at the time. Italy's been checking people for a long time now.
edit - the problem in the UK isn't long-distance travel, it's as @11101 says - a half-hearted attempt at a "lockdown" and no enforcement except "please go home". People can be out wandering around all day, every day and go from one shop to another ad infinitum. It's not enough.
Is the UK sort of still doing a "herd immunity lite" type strategy but without calling it that? I.e. Allowing a steady stream of people to get infected (and a percentage of which to die) whilst keeping it below NHS capacity?
For context, back in March Patrick Vallance said keeping deaths at 20,000 or below would be a good outcome. So hospital deaths have now broken that barrier.
I'm not sure if that 20,000 figure was meant to be just hospital deaths either or if he meant overall deaths. If it's the latter then that barrier was broken quite a while ago, with the Financial Times estimating current total UK deaths at over 40k.
Either way, you'd certainly hope there will be an inquiry when all this is done to look at exactly why the "good outcome" standard they set for themselves wasn't met.
I'm not sure if that 20,000 figure was meant to be just hospital deaths either or if he meant overall deaths. If it's the latter then that barrier was broken quite a while ago, with the Financial Times estimating current total UK deaths at over 40k.
Either way, you'd certainly hope there will be an inquiry when all this is done to look at exactly why the "good outcome" standard they set for themselves wasn't met.
Pritti doing a lot of blaming the public today. Distraction tactics.
Perhaps other measures before the lockdown helped in other countries as well as being stricter. We were most similar to Germany letting things carry on but had a very different outcome, big difference in testing and possibly contact tracing, I know some of that went on in Germany, I think that's key to really suppressing it. UK might have a wide spread too. France and UK were really late in getting testing going but France has been the next best after Germany in hospital deaths. UK airports have been so lax from day one, no fecks given.
The health of people, healthcare, attitudes and bone-idleness in the UK leave a lot to be desired.
The health of people, healthcare, attitudes and bone-idleness in the UK leave a lot to be desired.
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There's no point relying on the information from Wuhan as nothing about any of what China have reported tallies up with what's going on anywhere else...and you can't "bolt people in their homes" as you'll kill 10x more than the virus ever will.
The problem here has been a lack of any kind of planning at all. We implemented a plan based on nothing more than a flimsy piece of science estimating how the virus spreads, and at a point where we had no idea at all how many people already had it, so even that piece of science was missing half the equation.
We have a random lunatic running the government using another random lunatic as a puppet. Our "Chief Medical Officer" has offered nothing approaching any kind of scientific insight. He is the same man who argued the best way to combat ebola was to "encourage" people who have it to go and die together in death camps (there's even a link to a paper he literally wrote arguing this on his Wikipedia page). Sweden, Germany etc. were putting scientists in charge and listening to experts while we were relying on a bunch of chancers who more resemble a group of Apprentice contestants fumbling around trying to pretend they aren't just half brained car salesmen. Other countries were making plans while these idiots were still concerning themselves with championing Brexit and child like dramatic attention seeking. That is why we are in this position
Other factors to consider:
- There have been over 5,000 "additional" deaths in the first 2 weeks in April, which can't be linked to corona virus...the most likely contributing factor to these deaths is the "relaxed" lockdown measures, as you call them. Implementing more strict measures with a health and welfare system that the government has purposely run down has the very realistic risk of these deaths OVERTAKING the number dying from corona virus...and at that point you can bet the media will start taking notice rather than just ignoring it, and then we'll have chaos.
- A few people sunbathing in a park actually has very little impact on how much the virus spreads. Shops and supermarkets have a much bigger impact and unfortunately people need to buy food and stuff in order to not die. Another thing having a very big impact is the government not supplying PPE equipment to medical staff who they are LEGEALLY REQUIRED to provide it to.
- The whole plan has never been about preventing anyone from dying or even particularly minimising it. We waited far too long for that. It's been about allowing the NHS to cope with the inevitable mess, and it somehow seems to have worked so far. We'll be going past the total number dead in Italy soon enough so it's pointless worrying about that. It doesn't account for differences in recording numbers or population levels. I've seen credible reports suggesting the number dead in Italy is actually up to three times that they've reported, because they simply weren't able to keep up or find room for everyone in a hospital. That has not happened here and we should actually be quite grateful for that I think. Especially considering what a poor job our government has made of it. People in the actual healthcare sector and those that have helped provide extra equipment and facilities have done a very good job.
Regardless I suspect the numbers are going to reach a point where Cummings and his gang of lunatics aren't really going to have anything to hide behind. Blame the public all you want but if the public aren't listening it's because they don't trust the people in charge.
I still think as I said yesterday that this isnt a decline but a sort of continual plateau and a reflection of the specifics of our 'lockdown'.
Why should these numbers disappear to 0? This isnt a lockdown theres still loads of cars on the roads and people are out and about it looks nearly as busy as before.
I dont see how hard it was to say, the rule is to excersise for up to 1 hour a day maximum.
Why should these numbers disappear to 0? This isnt a lockdown theres still loads of cars on the roads and people are out and about it looks nearly as busy as before.
I dont see how hard it was to say, the rule is to excersise for up to 1 hour a day maximum.
No, it isn’t. It’s getting a little tedious having to read this, actually. There is no written governmental guidance that specifies this anywhere.
Didn't the lads in Ireland say that there were English traveling over to second homes and bringing caravans over? Georgie Bingham on Talksport was going apoplectic this morning about the supermarket she was using, getting rid of the distancing markers, letting as many people in as wanted to go in all at once and social distancing had gone completely out of the window.
Also, it’s not like we’ve been at 800-900 deaths since the lockdown started.
It's pretty fair tbh, the general public are being total asshats and not following simple guidelines. Government chose to treat us like adults, now it's time they step up and treat us like the children we are.
Alot of people on furlough are using this like a massive holiday.
People shopping to get out the house for a bit. Everyone going insane now it's been 5 weeks? All because they couldn't stick to it properly from the start.
Whoever mentioned we are doing herd immunity lite is correct. The public can't follow simple rules so it's our only option till a vaccine is found.
True, but what's worse is people confusing Government guidelines on how we should behave to reduce the spread of disease with Crown Prosecution Service guidelines to the police on what constitutes an actual breach of the law. I'm not sure a single newspaper or tv station appreciates the difference.
Have you heard this said? It's been briefed in pressers, news channels went with it etc.
Do you want the government to give you guidelines on how to wipe your arse too? Just because it's not written down doesn't mean you don't follow it.
Ridiculous how this country needs to be spoon fed information and rules. Absolute babies.
Another factor, without meaning to sound like a Brexit championer, is that a significant number of the Eastern Europeans here are completely ignoring the lockdown and social distancing advice and just carrying on as normal. It's been so obviously apparent it's actually changed my views quite a bit. Every time I go out running their are groups of them in the park, not even out of the way, literally just standing directly in everyone's path. All of their businesses are still open, including pointless things like car washing. My downstairs neighbour still keeps having his mates and parents over. I've had to have a go at him when him and his mate barged past me in the corridor.
They are a minority locally here in terms of the general population, yet at the moment they are a quite vast majority of the people out and about.
Unfortunately it seems we tend to collect a lot of the thickos that other countries don't have a use for...and we already have enough of our own to deal with frankly. In a situation like this idiots are always going to be the cause of a majority of the problems. A large collection of low skilled and generally quite ignorant people is never a good thing to have in a crisis. Especially when a section of them are not integrated properly so show little respect for the common cause.
They are a minority locally here in terms of the general population, yet at the moment they are a quite vast majority of the people out and about.
Unfortunately it seems we tend to collect a lot of the thickos that other countries don't have a use for...and we already have enough of our own to deal with frankly. In a situation like this idiots are always going to be the cause of a majority of the problems. A large collection of low skilled and generally quite ignorant people is never a good thing to have in a crisis. Especially when a section of them are not integrated properly so show little respect for the common cause.
That was me as well!
Jumped up, Facebook-warrior dogshit, to be frank.
The vast majority of the general public has overwhelmingly followed the guidance implemented, as is evident by all kinds of data to support this.
There are businesses that have started to return to work over the past week, which will only increase as people start to feel the burn of financial penalty. People will follow guidance until putting food on the table becomes an issue. On that front, we’re getting there.
Think it might have something to do with not being here legally? Cant claim furlough if they're not in the system. Also cash in hand jobs a lot of them will work too I'd expect even if here legally. So no paper trail for them to claim anything, they'll need to work to survive, at the same time, if they aren't here legally it really should be they're sent where ever their legal residence is?
The local ice cream van has just turned up outside my house!
You’re a nut. Let’s allow the spread of misinformation because it suits an immature representation of reality.
There is no government guidance, regulation or rule that says exercise is limited to one hour. It is important to acknowledge that during a period in which clear messaging is paramount.
From reading your posts, it might be you who requires spoon-feeding.
That's what I'm saying, how hard was it for them to say that?
The local ice cream van has just turned up outside my house!
If that's not essential, nothing is.
My local park is the busiest it's been since the lockdown came in. Loads of people having pic nics, sunbathing etc. I'd say it's at about the level it was the weekend before the lockdown came in.
Obviously that's anecdotal, but you accompany that with businesses beginning to re-open and the roads getting busier.
Lockdown beginning to fizzle out?
Obviously that's anecdotal, but you accompany that with businesses beginning to re-open and the roads getting busier.
Lockdown beginning to fizzle out?
I think for all their faults our government has done a great job containing this. We are still at under 500 deaths and start to slowly come out of lockdown with softer restrictions. They do get a lot of stick though as most of the country has become conspiracy theorists saying they were protecting us from ‘a weak flu’ and killed economy on purpose. It will probably get worse soon because people here just don’t believe this is a genuine threat for them.